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How to speed up 4.2's internet connection?
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johnbrush

Joined: 23 May 2009
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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jun 2009, 17:59    Post subject:  How to speed up 4.2's internet connection?
Subject description: Seems slow compared to (tweaked) Windows
 

Using Puppy 4.2 from the CD, just saving the pupsave and the pup4.20 files on the hard drive. Don't know what you all call that, but its what I am doing for now as I check it all out.

Knocking down the issues one by one, thanks to the help from here, and all the writeups and web sites.

Next up is the internet connection. I use Comcast, 6mbits, and it runs about that fast with my windows 2000 and XP systems, so I know it can be done, but Puppy is slow, too slow to stream full screen video on places like Fancast, which I use often.

I did have to do some registry tweaks for windows to max out the speed, so now I think I have some work to do with Puppy to get it running fast. Downloads are slower overall, as well as web page loading, which is an impediment to me ditching windows. Don't want to go slower. That makes no sense.

There are utilities for windows, as well as pretty good numbers of tweaks and hacks that speed things up. How do I do the same with Puppy?

Gotta have my online streaming video to watch those TV shows I can't get without CATV Smile

Much obliged for pointers, utils, and information on how to tweak the Puppy's internet connection speeds.

P.S. Using online speedtest web sites with Comcast is stupid and a waste, so please don't bring that sore point up as a solution or even a test Smile They use that dopey power burst, which even in windows gives speedtest.net and others fits, as it shows I have a 20mbit connection for the ten seconds it takes to run the test, but "power boost" is a waste, and gives bogus numbers for the first 15 secs or so of any download.

I use large files over several minutes, from various repositories to validate my true connection speeds.

thanks in advance, plus thanks for all the other help as well.

John
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Doglover

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jun 2009, 22:50    Post subject: 4.2 speedup
Subject description: tweaking puppy
 

The kind folks over at http://dslreports.com may[/url]may be able to help you in the Unix forums.
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johnbrush

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Jun 2009, 20:10    Post subject: Re: 4.2 speedup
Subject description: tweaking puppy
 

Doglover wrote:
The kind folks over at http://dslreports.com may[/url]may be able to help you in the Unix forums.


thank you.

I did go there, and saw how to set my MTU, which was always at 1500 to begin with. I searched quite a bit across the net (can't ever say I saw it all <g>) and there is no discussion of it that I could find.

This means linux cannot be tweaked for fastest internet, (particularly puppy, because Ubuntu doesn't have a problem streaming videos on my connection) which makes it quite useless, so oas usual, I thought I was steamrolling towards finally making the switch out of windows hell, but once again, linux comes up short in areas that matter the most.

I will keep an eye out. One day, perhaps it will be dealt with. Meanwhile, back to win2K.

Much obliged,

John
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degoba

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Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 08:51    Post subject:  

How much ram is in the system?
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dawnsboy


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Location: Indiana - Republic of New Canada

PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 09:22    Post subject:  

I have an Eeepc 701 4G "overclocked" to 900MHz. I use 4.12 (bare) as my day to day OS and I install (frugal) other versions alongside 4.12 to check them out. I have recently or currently have 4.21, 2.14x4, dpup, upup and variants like NOP. I have used Opera, Firefox and Seamonkey on these setups and I am able to watch video on each of them when on AT&T Yahoo dsl. I have the basic service (slowest dsl package available) and I use flash player 10.22.87 (sites like fancast are flash videos). I have also been able to watch various streaming TV broadcasts using PupTV and mplayer without any issues.

I used to watch video at Fancast then they switched to a Windows compatible player. A message would appear in the location that the player would normally appear stating that their player would only work with Microsoft Windows. No matter I just switched to hulu.com. Fancast had been using the hulu player anyway (until they switched to windows only player).

I did re-visit Fancast moments ago after reading your post and tried to load a video in my browser. Much to my surprise it did load and start. However the picture is extremely poor, the video is very slow and the soundtrack while audible is distorted.

I can however watch programs over at hulu.com. If I had to guess I would say in this case the problem is with Fancast given the fact that I have no problem on my little underpowered unit pulling in Hulu.com and programming over at TBS in addition to streaming broadcasts of various TV Stations.

EDIT:

It would be interesting to know your hardware specs. The system requirements for adobe flash player are much higher in Linux than they are in windows.
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johnbrush

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 12:12    Post subject:  

dawnsboy wrote:


It would be interesting to know your hardware specs. The system requirements for adobe flash player are much higher in Linux than they are in windows.


Thanks.

3.0 Pentium P4, 1G Ram, ATI All In Wonder w/512M on an Intel Motherboard.

All the usual sites run great on Windows, including hulu (good point to check it tho) fancast, and youtube. Windows 2K is my base OS, and I use XP to view moves on Netflix. All is well with any of them, but when I am in Puppy, Youtube is a joke, and hulu/fancast are too slow for anything but small screen and poor video.

In addition, web pages load slower, and downloads are noticeably slower. Not just one, but any time I get a big file.

I waited years to get from a modem to broadband Smile and am not going back to dialup speeds, no matter how good Puppy is, and it is a great distro.

I also can boot Ubuntu, and it has no issues with the video streaming either.

Not versed in the lingo yet, but Puppy boots from the CD, and saves the two files on the hard drive. That is how I run it. I wouldn't expect any difference if I did a full install, but I suppose anything is possible. Perhaps when I get a chance.....

Still, I would be suprised to learn that there is no way to tweak the settings for broadband connections somewhere in linux. Everything else is in there, somewhere Smile

Much obliged for the input.

John
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dawnsboy


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 13:24    Post subject:  

@johnbrush

Clearly your hardware specifications exceed that of my little netbook. I wonder why I am able to view videos in Puppy that you are having so much difficulty with?

Puppy Linux in all of its various editions provides a faster computing experience than windows can on this netbook. For me file download speeds in Puppy are identical to download speeds in Windows XP (which I no longer use).

I can say that I had Comcast in the past and had issues with them but nothing like those that you are reporting. You should be able to do all those things in Puppy Linux as well as windows.

Did Puppy recognize and load your network card when you setup your internet connection?
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degoba

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 13:51    Post subject:  

I concur with Dawnsboy. It sounds like the problem may be with your network card. It could be that Puppy is using an older or generic driver. Definitely worth checking out.
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 15:38    Post subject:  

Quote:
dopey power burst,

might be an issue..

You are not using ndiswrapper are you <-- dumb question

definately have the same or better speeds on linux/puppy compared to 2000 when direct to a dsl modem...through a router pretty much the same.

Some cpu hogging going on perhaps..if severe that would cramp network performance.

There's a lack of tweaking info as its not usually needed

mike
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degoba

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 18:59    Post subject:  

I just compared my download speeds. Puppy was downloading at the same speed as my Windows partition over wireless. I would start by making sure that Puppy is using the correct or most current driver.
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johnbrush

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 19:31    Post subject:  

degoba wrote:
I just compared my download speeds. Puppy was downloading at the same speed as my Windows partition over wireless. I would start by making sure that Puppy is using the correct or most current driver.


I would be happy to do that.

Sadly, I was not born with the inherent knowledge as to how to go about checking that. So many linux users think everyone knows where everything it, its just amazing anything gets accomplished <g>

Much obliged for pointers, and it was just dry sarcasm, not an attempt to insult anyone. Hope you understand.

John
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degoba

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Jun 2009, 21:10    Post subject:  

It's all good. I am unfamiliar with busybox so am fumbling around a bit myself.

A any rate. Trying to find the right linux drivers for hardware takes searching. There is seldom a single place to look for drivers although a search of these forums is probably the best start.

Since I am unfamiliar with busybox I cant get you to your loaded drivers via command line. However via Gui simply open the internet connection wizard. There should be a device called eth0 listed. Next to it there should be a module listed along with a description etc etc. The module is the 'driver' that is loaded.

The next thing to do is search the net with the device name and the kernal module to determine if there are any updates, better written modules, etc. Like I said. A search of these forums would be a good place to start. The forums of the hardware manufacturer would be another.

With luck you will find it in a PET package. If not then you will need to load it manually. Or build a PET package.
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mill0001

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Location: "People's Republik of Kalifornia"

PostPosted: Thu 25 Jun 2009, 23:26    Post subject:  

John,
I'm runnin a AMD64 3400+, with 2 gigs of ram. and a Nvidia geforce 6800 ultra video card, My speeds on DL and UpL are almost twice as fast in Puppy as in my WinXP system which I'm dual booting with Puppy. I'm using Sprint Broadband 3G modem on both systems, ( the same modem). I haven't tweaked anything in Puppy as far as my network is concerned and I have no problem with Youtube or streaming movies from Hulu. The first thing I would suggest to you tho before you do anything else is get rid of 4.2 and DL 4.2.1 version of Puppy. I had a lot of problems on my system with 4.2, it is buggy and 4.2.1. is the bug fix for it. You might find with later drivers etc. in 4.2.1 your speed problem may go away.
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panzerpuppy

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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2009, 06:56    Post subject:  

I used to get ~634 kB/s *sustained* D/L speed with Puppy when I had a 6 mbit DSL connection.

That was with a much slower PC than yours (1.8 GHz with 512MB of really slow RAM and a crappy 64MB graphics card)

D/L and U/L speeds were noticeably faster than what I used to get under Windows XP with a *third party* PPPoE driver and tons of registry tweaks.

In Puppy, I just had to tweak the MSS (increasing it from 1412 to 1452) and it ran like a rocket Smile

Puppy clamps the MSS to 1412 by default - that's bad for stand-alone PCs with DSL / Cable modems.

DSL users should set the MSS to 1452, while Cable users should use 1460.


To check your REAL download speed, use Pwget and download a very large file from a really fast HTTP server.

Don't use Speedtest.net or Web browsers (especially Opera) to measure your UL/DL speeds. They are extremely inaccurate and unreliable on slow PCs.
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Aitch


Joined: 04 Apr 2007
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Location: Chatham, Kent, UK

PostPosted: Fri 26 Jun 2009, 07:58    Post subject:  

Johnbrush

see here

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=308551

I suspect that it could be a flash/browser problem, rather than network speed, [unless you are using ndiswrapper?]

Also try ttuuxxx's firepup browser, as it's reportedly faster, & good with flash/youtube etc

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34876

btw ttuuxxx's Puppy214x4 is nice & fast, too - might be worth comparing?

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553

Aitch Smile
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