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[bugman]

[Master_wrong]

[Master_wrong]

Back to the topic, I just want to remind that rox is not newbies friendly... I'll show you how :

imagine you were linux neewbie, you write something in abiword and you want to save it into folder called "test" and it is located in sda1 or drive_C.

this is how we do it in pcmanfm : click browse ---> click drive_C ---> folder test is already seen so I count it as just 2 click away... look screenshot


what if we do it in rox ? : browse ---> filesystem --> mnt ---> sda1 ---> folder test is now clickable, so we need 4 click.

beside that we also need to mount the partition first, where using pcmanfm it is not needed !


I heard more about rox can be used to batch rename ???? you can even use bash script to do that : http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-programming-scripting/12744-script-batch-renaming-files.html

[bugman]

perhaps this is more of a puppy issue than a rox one

perhaps puppy needs an empty directory at the top level for users files--documents, music, pictures, etc.

and then all the relevant apps need to point to it

[just a thought]

[Master_wrong]

@bugman,

I'm sorry but you miss the point... here i want to save into sda1, not empty directory, if i save into empty directory then I can only access from puppy linux and it also add pup_sav file size isn't ?,
besides if you look closely puppy do has empty directory called my_document, but here I want to save to sda1, to flashdisk or what ever media... and it all very easy with pcmanfm and not rox.
that's the whole problem, pcmanfm is more easy than rox.

maybe i was wrong, maybe it wasn't rox fault, maybe it was hal, maybe it was something else... but the fact remain that problem exist.

[cretsiah]

I can see what your saying Master_Wrong but...
first of all the pcman thing whaere you are just clicking straight to to drive means either:
a) auto mount has been backgrounded and run inside a wrapper for pcman to notice it.
b) hotplug same sort of deal..

Part of the good thing with puppy (the part that i am happier with), is that the auto-mount / hotplug function is not automated and must be activated (well it is on my puppy version). this has a security point that most ppl dont acknowledge.. and that is that if u a)screw up ur puppy u dont screw up your existing filesystems, b) if you screwup your existing filessystems you dont screwup puppy..

there used to be a tree-view style app with-in the menu in older puppies, maybe you can still download it with the pet-get manager.

Technically you have what you want in rox but not quite the same layout when you click on the icons @ the bottom of the screen..

as to which I prefer I dont know because any distro I use I generally use the default application.
In order to stick with puppies original philosophy any change would have to meet the requirements of being small and fast.

So if the ROX enviroment does pinboard,desktop,filesystem and whatever else, then you are going to need either a)group of applications that add up to the same size as the ROX install or smaller, or b) another app that does the same things as what ROX does for puppy...

as for ROX being different to windows for newbies? i dont know i suppose that depends on whter they use icon view or detailed view on their system..
To me windows Icon view is the exact same as the rox icons view.

PS I think the hal thing was removed from puppy4.0 onwards and replaced with puppy u-event or pup-event

PS Number 2: I believe that is what the "add" button is for, so where it says:
-root
-filesystem
you can add the hd's to this by using the add (although hotplugging may need to be enabled) so you end up with something like this:
-root
-filesystem
-sda1
-sda2
-sdb1
would this not do as you require?
my $2 bucks worth

[Master_wrong]

[MU]

Rox has some advantages, pcmanfm others.

Both provide desktop icons.
The desktop of pcmanfm is very limited compared to rox.
You cannot arrange icons as you like, or drag any file on it.
Instead, you need to use or create a *.desktop file.

Concerning filemanagement itself, I prefer pcmanfm in some cases.
To quickly get an overview of thumbnails though, I prefer rox.

To manage packages or copy/symlink, I prefer Muppyfiler.
For things Muppyfiler can't do, I would prefer XFE, but I even don't have it installed any longer, because I did not really need it since quite a while.

So in Newyearspup, I offer rox, pcmanfm and in addition Muppyfiler.

I think the optimal solution would be to stay with Rox, and in addition write a XFE clone in Genie. But this will take a while.
I already programmed a tree class, now we also need a "table" (for the filelist), and then add the typical stuff like copy/move/delete.

I do not actively program a filemanager at moment, so maybe it takes until 2010 until I have built so many classes, that finally generating a filemanager from them will take not much time.

Mark

[Flash]

Hey, Mark, since you're writing a filemanager anyway, could you include the ability to display a truncated tree view?

I have a lot of mp3 audio books, and there is no good way to display them in any file manager. I'd like a tree view which shows all the authors, and beneath each author the folders containing the books that author wrote, but without showing the actual mp3 files in the tree view. There is a program called "tree" which can do what I want, but changing its font so that it is readable for me is difficult. I just thought that it might be a useful thing to include in a file manager the ability to show a truncated tree view.

[MU]

Flash,
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=311359#311359
Mark

[Schism]

I use MU's Newyearspup2. I like pcman which he uses more than rox, simply due to the cut, copy, past i don't like in rox. I also chose pcman becuase of the mounting and unmounting abilities.

Lately, and right now I'm using upup476, I have lxpanel and openbox installed and would love to get pcman. Is there a pet?

Truthfully, MU has a great system in Newyearspup and really want to clone it in Puppy 5.

Also, it is important to realize that people have different tastes and use there computers differently. Whatever Puppy ships with should be easily changed, and it has done that.

[droope]

I think ROX does it's job OK, and unless PCmanfm (or whatever it's name is ) is lighter in weight, it shouldn't be added...

Why? It's the same issue that with widgets. Is it really necessary to force everyone to the extra weight? Maybe you could install it on yourself on your own OS, rather than making everyone who doesn't like it uninstall it.

IMHO.

EDIT: i've read the 1st post. I like Pcman asfbui (Can't remember name) more, i've tried in the past... If it's smaller than rox, it's great! THe only issue is, well desktop, then ;(

[Master_wrong]

@MU

Thank you for the info and I agree, I just tried deb2pet.rpm2pet.pet so I realize that we can even add custom script and program to rox,
ok,ok,ok, I'm still learning now...

however i still think newbie will need transitional stage which they can easily navigate into their own media (hd,flash etc) and im glad that you will create a new filemanager to accompany rox, also puplet with it so I think it's great keep rox as sole filemanager in puppy and for anyone vote aye ! can have mu's puplet so everyone happy, yes?.

I thereby cast this as solved !
Thank you

[Max Uglee]

What about Thunar? It is the default in Boxpup 4.1.3 which is only 90 MB. it looks very similar to PCmanfm, I am not sure of the advantages/disadvantages of either one but I know that most ex M$ or Mac people will like them more. Xfe looks nice also. ROX is great for what it is but I must say that when I first started using Puppy it was the only thing I really did not like. It is just too different from what people are used to.
Remember:
Puppy will be extremely friendly for Linux newbies

[Master_wrong]

Thanks max for the info...