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Aitch


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Sep 2009, 12:05    Post subject:  

STG

see edit, sorry I didn't highlight the changes...added this in case you hadn't spotted the edits

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puppyite


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PostPosted: Fri 18 Sep 2009, 14:29    Post subject:  

Aitch wrote:
... then move the [url] & [/url] onto the same actual line as the real url link, leaving no spaces like this

[url]Real URL[/url]



I may misunderstand you but: When I write a post I must do the following to create a link:

Code:
I start with:

[url=][/url]

Then I do this:

[url=http://www.address.com/page.htm]Web Site Link Text or address[/url]


No other method works for me.

Edit: I guess it doesn't matter since STG made it work.

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Aitch


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PostPosted: Sat 19 Sep 2009, 12:02    Post subject:  

puppyite wrote:
Code:
[url=http://www.address.com/page.htm]Web Site Link Text or address[/url]


Yes, that's why your scroogle scaper link shows as scroogle, and mine as http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm
Although both function with the same resultant link, I think yours is neater, but some people don't like 'unknown' links, because of re-directer spammers, e.g. your word 'scroogle' could link anywhere not just to scroogle link & who would know?

So I use the basic [visible link] method
Just highlight a URL & hit the button, making sure the [url][/url] boxes are in the same line, with no spaces between the link and url boxes

For the same reason I always use the preview version of TinyURL when I use that for long URL links

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Sep 2009, 14:43    Post subject:  

Aitch,
I would like to shed light on some misconceptions:

If you examine my example code closely you will see that just like you I also specified that the URL *could* be the visible link text.

Whether text or URL is used for the visible link the actual address becomes visible in the browser status bar when you mouse over the link.

The address that appears in the browser status bar *can* be obfuscated via JavaScript but AFAIK this would not be possible in a forum post. Well I don't know how and I surely wouldn't try.

Finally and most confusingly it is *possible* for the visible link to misrepresent the URL. I.E. the visible link is: http://yahoo.com but the link really points to http://malefactor.com

I offer this only in the interest of clarity and I hope you don't think I'm trying to dispute what you say because you have been very gracious to me. Smile

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SelftaughtGeek

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:21    Post subject:  

In case anyone else was following my thread about keyboard maps follow this link

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=342683#342683

ttuuxxx made a pet that does exactly what I wanted - fantastic and the country flags are soooo cute.

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:22    Post subject:  

In case anyone else was following my thread about keyboard maps follow this link

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=342683#342683

ttuuxxx made a pet that does exactly what I wanted - fantastic and the country flags are soooo cute.

STG

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Aitch


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PostPosted: Sat 19 Sep 2009, 15:52    Post subject:  

Thumbs up STG, I agree, ttuuxxx is a star! Very Happy
Hope it will come in useful for others
I'll post a suggestion for it to go mainstream......done!

puppyite - no problem
You are quite right,
The only suggestion I can offer is; I use Firepup, and the actual site you are going to, shows up bottom left [where the word 'Done' normally sits]
Is that what you mean by browser status bar? - I'm terrible with technical stuff Laughing - no need to answer, we've added enough here already.....

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wizard_chef

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PostPosted: Mon 21 Sep 2009, 10:29    Post subject: A newbie experience
Subject description: Stumbling blocks from my experience over 48 hours
 

My background is I ran a Unix system back in the early 80s but long since have forgotten what I knew about scripting, greping, all that other stuff ... I wanted to install a fast Linux-based system on an old PC that worked out of the box that would let me do browsing with a wireless Internet connection, and some basic desktop aps to boot.

I spent 48 hours with xubuntu and finally gave up after about a dozen attempts at install. I went to puppy, and it took me about 6 installs to get it to work.

My biggest problem ... grub. For some reason, I could never get it installed correctly. There needs to be a simple grub installation that will repair and install grub (not grubconfig, that didn't help me). About the 6th universal install finally booted properly (dual booted, i.e.).

My second hurtle, which I am still in the middle of, is how to get my wireless card recognized and talking to my router. I am about to buy a new pcmcia card because of my inability to get this card (Linksys WPC54G) up. This should not be this hard, folks! I finally figured out Ndiswrapper (I think ... not sure), but that didn't work, either. There needs to be a clear, step-by-step set of instructions for how to integrate Ndiswrapper drivers into the system, including how and what to download from the Windows driver set.

I could find no UP TO DATE list of cards that were supported with native drivers. That would be a big help. The most recent list seemed to be 3 years out of date and contained cards no longer even available.

But, hey! It is free! I'm not complaining. Just a wish list! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Sep 2009, 12:34    Post subject:  

Hi wizard_chef --

This may help for issue #2:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=11861

RE xubuntu: I tried for a long time to make that distro work for me. Unfortunately, despite all the press about its small footprint, I still find it bloated and slow.

Stick with Puppy and you won't be disappointed.
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Aitch


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PostPosted: Sun 27 Sep 2009, 17:12    Post subject:  

Hi wizard_chef

this may be useful to you

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=11277

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22469

sometimes it all goes horribly wrong.....

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=44507

there are still issues both with the wizards, and kernel changes, and manuals/info.....IMO

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KittyCat


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PostPosted: Fri 02 Oct 2009, 12:38    Post subject:  

I know I'm a bit late to the thread, but I will add my voice to the ones who have pointed out that a lot of the documentation in the forums is out-dated. The Index for Beginners is a beautiful idea, but unfortunately it's not very helpful if it's not continuously updated.

I wanted to install Puppy to the hard drive of my laptop and found a link in the Index that claimed to be a complete step by step guide and started reading.

It was not helpful at all, since the guide is from 2005. My laptop has no floppy drives, I have no copy of MS-DOS available, and Puppy is no longer version 1.xx, I'm working with 4.30.

Fortunately I remembered that I had seen a manual and instructions on the official Puppy site so I went and read those instead, but the Index for Beginners needs to be updated if it is going to be helpful for us brand new newcomers. Cleaning out all links leading to guides more than 12 months old would be a good starting point, and then updated links can be added back in.

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thebeaky

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Oct 2009, 16:42    Post subject: This Leaving behind old computers  

In a recent change in the kernal it seems to me that many old computers were dropped from the kernal build. This makes newer puppies unavailable on older machines.

I am still new to using puppy, and linux in general. My understanding is still very limited. But if puppy has an aim to be available for older computer, can it make sure not to drop these from the kernal.

( puppy 4.2.1 works on my comp, 4.3 doesnt), and almost no new distro's work with my comp. (which still has life in it yet)
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James C


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PostPosted: Fri 02 Oct 2009, 17:19    Post subject:  

I've tested the newest kernel for Puppy 4.30 (2.6.30.5) in equipment ranging from a 433 mhz Celeron to several P3's to a 2.8 ghz P4 and it worked in every one of them.That said, every pc will not work with every kernel.

Barry K did release builds of 4.30 with the older 2.6.25.16 kernel (same as the prior releases) and the 2.6.21.7 kernel (the prior release "retro" kernel).Hopefully one of those versions will work on equipment no suitable for the latest kernel.
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davids45


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Location: Chatswood, NSW

PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009, 00:22    Post subject:  

G'day,
Just a quick query for thebeaky.
Did you try the newest kernel Pups with "puppy pfix=ram acpi=off"?
My relatively new desktop requires this extra boot parameter (acpi=off) to work with post 4.2.1 Puppies. It's a BIOS issue with my computer, I think.
Without this parameter, trying to boot, a Live CD gives an irq handler error message then completely fails with a message about looking for Puppy files.
If this acpi=off does help, you may need to modify rc.sysinit to get the computer to fully turn off, as well.
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sarakay

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009, 14:25    Post subject:  

Hi! Just wanted to say a big THANKS FOR PUPPY from a Windows refugee. In a previous life many moons ago I was a computer programmer, and when I was using UNIX we did just about everything on the command line. I know one can still do that but I am certainly enjoying the GUI and all the thought that was put into making Puppy truly user friendly.

I am using 3.01 on an old Thinkpad, and for a lot of casual users I think it would have been just fine "out of the box" (but I like to tinker). Puppy has breathed a new life into my laptop. Even my pathetic dial-up connection is faster. No more bloat!

As for suggestions ... documentation is a bit of a problem; we all know programmers would rather program than write. The new Wiki is great! Wish we had that kind of a tool when I was working. I have it bookmarked and am looking forward to more topics being addressed in it as I get deeper into Puppy.
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