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puppyite


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Sep 2009, 12:02    Post subject:  

walter90 wrote:
Overwhelmingly I am very satisfied with my Puppy 4.2. I don't like, however, that I can't just copy and paste as I could in Windows. I also would like to see a comprehensive manual included in the release. Very Happy


Try this: Open two ROX-Filer windows. Drag & drop files and / or folders between them.

TuxCommander and Xfe both two pane file managers ready for install by downloading, clicking the pet files.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep 2009, 01:58    Post subject: Beefing up PET and honing the How To section  

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep 2009, 08:28    Post subject:  

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Is it a matter of difficulty compiling apps for the database, time, or willing participants?

Puppy focus is on making a selfcontained OS + apps that fulfills most needs rather than as a building block to build on. Plus since it changes significantly from version to version package compatability becomes a problem.

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Has any one done a Vista or XP install from scratch on their 5 year old PC lately?

Yes ...It was easy..everything just worked. (9years old, XP SP3)

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep 2009, 08:31    Post subject: Re: Beefing up PET and honing the How To section  


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep 2009, 10:07    Post subject:
Subject description: my thoughts
 

I haven't read through all the pages, but here are a few thoughts from someone who is persevering with Puppy, even though it really annoys me sometimes.

I love the live cd stuff. That I can take a cd anywhere and boot into a computer, do what I need to do (even on the Net) and then leave, is fantastic. The variety of programs is great too.

And the support on the forum is sensational.

Some of the things that make me want to give up:
.pup .pet tar.gz .deb and so on. These different file types are confusing to people who are used to looking for a .exe file. I know this represents an evolution of sorts, but I did get lost when I started. (Still not sure about tar.gz)

Grub - confusing.

Puppy Numbers. Is 4.2 in improvement on 4.0? Why are some people working on Puppy 5.0 and others on improving 2.17 or something like that. Is there an advantage to the old Puppy that I don't know about?

Computer Language - I still get lost, and this was what made it hard to start and keep going. When a newbie is confused, jargon really makes it hard.

The search - perhaps because the forum is so big, but the search results in either the forum or from the front page aren't so great. It would be great to be able to narrow them down.

(Why isn't there a link to puppylinux.org from the forum page?)

Anyway, there are a few issues. On the up side, I love the puplets, and have tried a few. And once I got over not understanding and just kept asking questions, I found the people who respond in the forums to be terrific.

Bones

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep 2009, 12:44    Post subject:  

Hi Bones

bones01 wrote:
The search - perhaps because the forum is so big, but the search results in either the forum or from the front page aren't so great. It would be great to be able to narrow them down.

(Why isn't there a link to puppylinux.org from the forum page?)



You obviously haven't spotted this thread [bookmark it Wink ]

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29754

The most useful forum search is 2nd: wellminded, IMHO

and the link to puppylinux.org is an easy 'Community Website Here' link

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep 2009, 14:09    Post subject:
Subject description: my thoughts
 

bones01 wrote:
Puppy Numbers. Is 4.2 in improvement on 4.0? Why are some people working on Puppy 5.0 and others on improving 2.17 or something like that. Is there an advantage to the old Puppy that I don't know about?


Explained: Puppy Version Numbers

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Computer Language - I still get lost, and this was what made it hard to start and keep going. When a newbie is confused, jargon really makes it hard.


Acronym Finder

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Sep 2009, 12:25    Post subject:  

puppyite

Have added those in your sig to the search page, thanks

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Sep 2009, 16:59    Post subject:  

Aitch wrote:
puppyite

Have added those in your sig to the search page, thanks

Aitch Smile


That's great. You're welcome. What search page, where?

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Sep 2009, 19:00    Post subject:  

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What search page, where?


What!! Gasp!! Wink

Everyone should know & have bookmarked the Search page by now Smile

see my previous post to bones

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Sep 2009, 02:39    Post subject: Re: Beefing up PET and honing the How To section  

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Sep 2009, 07:54    Post subject:  

Aitch wrote:
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What search page, where?


What!! Gasp!! Wink

Everyone should know & have bookmarked the Search page by now Smile

see my previous post to bones

Aitch Smile



Thank you Aitch.

I wonder if I might persuade you to modify the link in that post so it points to the Scroogle scraper. Here's the address:

http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm

I think if people land on the search page first they're more likely to try it. The Scroogle site employs humor to offset the seriousness of the threat posed by privacy violation. If people land on the home page first I fear some might think it's a joke and never try the search engine. Which would be a shame because it's a surrogate for Google sans ads, cookies, IP records and other privacy invasions. And it's way faster than Google too!

Thank You Aitch

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Sep 2009, 10:28    Post subject: Newbie Feedback
Subject description: My take on Puppy 4
 

Finally had enough Windows, been promising myself for years that I would find a viable alternative. Came across Linux a few years back and was quite simply baffled - I can develop office applications in VBA but understand where to start with Linux? Had me scratching my head. This time though with my now ancient laptop taking 30 minutes to boot up Windows 2000 it was time to persevere and I thought it can't be that difficult and decided on using a small distro. I liked the idea of an OS on a disk that would not interfere with my terminally ill Win 2K machine.
So first I found DSL appeared to be just what I needed. First version I tried wouldn't boot, second version did but no sound and dodgy graphics. Was just about to throw the whole thing in the bin when I found Puppy.
Made my first Puppy4 CD, popped it in, and WOW it just worked. Within 5 minutes I was on the net via a PCMCIA Wifi card and was exploring all the applications built into this amazing little package.

So my feedback then:
Tell me more about what all the built in packages do - e.g. I want a webpage editor as my Dreamweaver won't work in Linux. Spent ages trying to find a suitable PET then yesterday found that Seamonkey has a built in HTML editor - good enough for what I want, just wish I had found it sooner. Sorry guys but Composer sounds like something I would manipulate sound files with not HTML ones

Love the fact that I can convert documents to PDF - couldn't do that on Windows without an expensive extra application

Also spent too long trying to get WINE to work with Puppy 4 (wanted to use Dreamweaver but now no need) so I have given up on that.

Printing is a whole different game in Linux and sods law neither of my current printers are compatible - A Canon i350 and a Lexmark all in one X4580 - Gonna have to keep one windows platform for now. Looked at all the ways to link to a Windows Printer but as they all seem to need the Windows PC turned on it's easier to save my file onto a USB Flash drive and swap machines to print anything - this may be a solution I use for a while.

My laptop doesn’t support booting to USB so I am stuck with keeping Puppy on a CD - which is fine but annoying when you realise that you haven’t got the CD in and want to start the laptop and cant open the drive. Have looked at creating a boot floppy that then lets me open the cd drive but haven’t worked out how to do this yet - GRUB remains a mystery

The Wifi connection works ok but has a nasty habit of losing the profile and needing it to be reloaded half way through a session.

Love being able to add widgets to my desktop and customise them, looks more like Vista than ever now and Seamonkey has tabbed browsing (never managed to get IE7 working so had switched to Firefox on my Windows machines to get tabbed browsing)

Wish Seamonkey was compatible with McAfee Site Advisor like Firefox is, but as Seamonkey has so much in it already can't see me switching just for the addon given the extra memory requirement.

Did I tell you I love the way most of it "just works"

Definitely converted but can't totally give up Windows until I work out:

1) Puppy on a USB for my main desktop to boot from
2) Printing - so basic but a real issue
3) Find a list of all the built in apps that tells me exactly what they do and how to use them

As for the forum itself - you do a great job with loads of useful information here - only one gripe, with so many versions now in use posts should easily identify which version of Puppy it relates to

Sorry rather longwinded

STG

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Sep 2009, 10:36    Post subject: From a newbee, making Puppy better
Subject description: It's Already Good, by the way... using 4.3 (425)
 

I had a heck of a time getting my sound card to work. I tried one thing after another, and, being a newbee, did not understand most of what I was trying. I read and read and read some more, but so much what I was looking at was utterly foreign.

Aitch held my hand while I was trying to get it figured out. That helped tremendously. Number one has got to be people willing to listen to stupid questions and be patient with newbees when we just don't get it.

Number two, we need a little out of the box help. Getting Puppy to the place where all hardware and basic functions work from the beginning would be outstanding. The fancy stuff can be mastered as you go. (I think it's almost there, by the way. The sound card thing was very tricky though).

last, clear instructions for ignoramuses like myself who have absolutely no Linux knowledge or abilities. I could not have figured out my sound without the forums, but having said that, it was an exhausting amount of work digging out what I was looking for. Really could use something more concise and easily search-able. Something that includes an exhaustive lexicon/concordance/dictionary of terms.

Them's my thoughts.

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Sep 2009, 10:43    Post subject: Re: Beefing up PET and honing the How To section  

omskates wrote:
Do you feel the PET package manager is adequate or are there other 'easy access' methods for installing apps in puppy?


All you need do is download a .pet file, open ROX-Filer, then click on: hypothetical.pet and allow the install to proceed. As an aside you can download and install packages in Ubuntu sans a package manager with the same method. Here's a useful app you won't find in the package manager: HardInfo

Ubuntu users are acclimated to the concept of installing everything from their package manager and when they don't find what they want in Puppy Package Manager they interpret it as a deficiency. To find .pet files you may: Visit Additional Software (PUPs, n' stuff) in this forum. Search this forum for .pet files or if that's not enough then do the same search with your favorite search engine.

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Point is that there are many factors that create Linuxphobia and the misconceptions concerning installation is among them.


OS installations give average users palpitations and for them a Linux install is equally foreboding. If they accomplish these techniques they can make make the transition (this is intended for audience, you obviously know how to do the following):

1 Download Puppy Linux ISO file.
2 Use a burning app to burn the ISO file onto a CD or DVD and thus create a Live disc.
3 Set boot order in BIOS so the optical drive is first.
4 Put the Live disc in the drive, reboot and start exploring the wonder that is Puppy Linux.

To install Puppy, newbies may start by choosing a frugal install. It combines the safety of Live boot with the advantages of permanent install and none of the problems that might arise from a botched full install.

AFAIK the frugal install is unique among Linux distros and is just one of the aspects that makes Puppy Linux stand head and shoulders above all others. IMO Puppy Linux is the perfect choice for anyone.

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You'd think I know what I'm doing but honestly I'm still pretty much dependent on searching forums etc. to answer my questions.


To varying degrees that's true of everyone, myself included. Sometimes I like to go it alone and as long as my backups are up to date I'm ready to experiment.

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Was thinking more like clearly identifying the currently accepted directions for each "How To" without all the baggage hanging off them.


As a suggestion I recommend you join the Puppy Linux wikki and move How To articles from this forum into the appropriate Category there.

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Thanks for the understanding and thanks for the great responses and tips, you guys rock! The acronym finder is awesome.


Speaking for myself you're welcome. Nice talking to you.

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