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OldCanuck

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Mar 2019, 23:26    Post subject: Xenial pup setup
Subject description: save Optional
 

I'm very new to xenial pup, and have been going with it for a few weeks now, Took me a while to modify it so that it would not 'Auto-save'

I'm Running using Frugal on a hdd, and to get it to not auto save, needed to do various changes. It would be nice to have xenial pup have the option to turn auto save on, i.e pupmode 12, or have manual save i.e. pupmode 13. When attempting to install things that may not work, nice to not have auto save (i.e. write to hdd).

I'm hoping that an option within xenialpup is made to allow people to easily switch between pupmode 12 and 13 for example.

I use it similar to Windows 'Restore point'.

Thanks
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foxpup


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Mar 2019, 04:55    Post subject:  

Welcome to Puppy, OldCanuck!

This is how I do it to control the 'save':
I use the boot option
Code:
pmedia=usbflash

That gives an icon to save the session.
Then I go to Puppy Event Manager. I set the time to save to 0 (never) and I choose to be asked on shutdown whether to save or not.

There are probably better ways to do it. Do a search on the forum.
Btw, imo, the best way to search the forum is with google adding 'puppy' and 'linux' to the search.
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rufwoof


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Mar 2019, 05:09    Post subject:  

With google you can specify sites to search, just add site:murga-linux.com/puppy for instance after your search words, i.e.
Quote:
"auto-save" site:murga-linux.com/puppy

(even with that refinement however, that particular search still brings up 14 pages of links).

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OldCanuck

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2019, 22:32    Post subject:  

foxpup: Thank you for the information, I had already found that information, however, it took me a few days to figure out exactly where to change the ataflash flag, and to get the auto save to be able to set to 0, one of the issues I had, is that I attempted to change stuff when it was still in pupmode 5, which is a no-no to try to mess with it at that time.

rufwoof Thanks for the neat trick, I will try that more often. it does limit some of the search results.


Anyone:
with the help of: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=81911

Here are my instructions I wrote, so that when I start from fresh again, I can easily re-create... (I'm adding it for completeness of this incase someone else stumbles on it).

1. change in /etc/rc.d/pupstate pupmode=13 <- change from 12.

2. set the Utilities/PupShutdownManger/Manage System Events/Save Session dialogue to "0" (no save).
AND ask on close. (if no close question, see other Users suggestions to change shutdown.rc )

3. change in menu.lst: change pmedia=atahd to ataflash. (this is in THE HDD or other root directory)

4. reboot, remember to save. This should make a 'SAVE' button appear on xenialpup main page after reboot, if working correctly!.


However, if ANYONE was to create a Method within xenialpup, (possibly an option on the Save Session page) that may save other Novice users the learning curve. Smile ... holding up... (even grandpa can use)

Thanks
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rnDPrc

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jul 2019, 03:30    Post subject:  

I'm just here to say that this distro is great and you guys are doing a great job Smile

It is so fast and light when I tell people my system is running on a 2Gb pendrive they think I'm joking Laughing

I understand it's hard to implement, but I wish the Package Manager would make uninstalling things cleaner / easier.

Regardless, it is an impressive distro and a lot of hard work must have gone into it, so thank you Smile

Cheers!
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jul 2019, 03:54    Post subject:  

Quote:
I wish the Package Manager would make uninstalling things cleaner / easier.

Could you give specific details on what it does or does not do?
What version of Puppy Package Manager(PPM)?

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rnDPrc

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jul 2019, 21:34    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Quote:
I wish the Package Manager would make uninstalling things cleaner / easier.

Could you give specific details on what it does or does not do?
What version of Puppy Package Manager(PPM)?


Yes indeed.

Take the following example:
I install package cmus_2.7.1+git20160225 using auto-install
It tells me that three packages are missing dependencies, and installs those too
Code:
libcue1_1.4.0-1 libdiscid0_0.6.2-2 libopusfile0_0.9+20170913

Then, as all of us have done here and there, I decide that I actually need a different software, so I click on uninstall and select cmus, using the option auto-remove. PPM then tells me cmus is gone, that there are three packages that are probably useless now, and that I should uninstall those. It's great that it does that, and it does help a lot, but I wish it would display a button to tell it to just do it.

My version of PPM is currently 2.1.2, using bionicpup x64
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jul 2019, 23:29    Post subject:  

Thanks for the information!

That would be nice, but understand.
When PPM gets stuff from non-puppy repositories.
Those software packages were not specifically compiled for Puppy Linux. That is probably why they need other dependencies.
Normally those dependencies would be in the Linux OS the package was compiled for.

Quote:
libcue1_1.4.0-1 libdiscid0_0.6.2-2 libopusfile0_0.9+20170913

In your example the needed dependencies are all lib files.
Uninstalling lib files can cause all kinds of stuff to not work.
Who knows, those lib files could just be updates to ones already in Puppy.
So, PPM does the smart thing and does not auto uninstall lib files.
Usually, not all the time, those added dependency libs will be listed in PPM uninstall.
So, you uninstall them one at a time, if you know for sure they are no longer needed.

This is one of the issues you have to just live with using non-Puppy repositories for software packages.
It also is very dependent on how well the software package was put together.
Some people compile very good packages, with everything that is needed.
Others do very sloppy work and expect stuff to just be there in the operating system.

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PostPosted: Mon 08 Jul 2019, 09:49    Post subject:  

Booting Fatdog from usb with multi-save, and saves are stored as a series of .sfs files, so you can uninstall things by selectively deleting/renaming later saves (add a new save, install a program + dependencies, use/save and if you later don't like it remove the associated save sfs ... and its gone).

More typically with puppy's you can do similar, preserve the current save, add new programs/do stuff, and later restore the preserved save to uninstall things installed since that preserved save.

For data, that's best stored outside of puppy-space (on a separate drive/usb/partition/cloud).

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rnDPrc

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jul 2019, 17:21    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Thanks for the information!

That would be nice, but understand...


Ah ok, that makes sense. Thanks a lot for the response!

From what I understood, the way to go is to install .sfs files only, correct?

Thanks again Smile

Cheers!
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jul 2019, 17:30    Post subject:  

rufwoof wrote:
Booting Fatdog from usb with multi-save, and saves are stored as a series of .sfs files, so you can uninstall things by selectively deleting/renaming later saves (add a new save, install a program + dependencies, use/save and if you later don't like it remove the associated save sfs ... and its gone).

More typically with puppy's you can do similar, preserve the current save, add new programs/do stuff, and later restore the preserved save to uninstall things installed since that preserved save.

For data, that's best stored outside of puppy-space (on a separate drive/usb/partition/cloud).


Thanks for the tip! I didn't know about Fatdog or multi-save mode, so this is very helpful Very Happy

On bionicpup's default GRUB the multi-save option is missing. Do you know if it's possible to enable it? I ask this because I can't switch puppy's right now.

Thanks a lot regardless Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jul 2019, 18:45    Post subject:  

FatDog is not Puppy Linux and it does stuff that Puppy Linux does not do.

In Puppy Linux, if you want to make multiple save files/folders.
In a console type this:
Code:
shutdownconfig

This will offer to make a save for how the computer is at time you do this.
Just give it a name different from the save you booted with.
On next boot up, you will be asked which save to use.

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jul 2019, 18:57    Post subject:  

rnDPrc wrote:
bigpup wrote:
Thanks for the information!

That would be nice, but understand...


Ah ok, that makes sense. Thanks a lot for the response!

From what I understood, the way to go is to install .sfs files only, correct?

Thanks again Smile

Cheers!

It is all about what the program package was compiled to run in.
SFS packages made for Puppy Linux, if done correctly, should have everything needed in the SFS package.
If compiled and packaged correctly!
Sure , if done correctly they are a good way to use programs.

Pet packages are also good, but they are a little more Puppy version specific.
A lot of it is just what does the program need to run.

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rnDPrc

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jul 2019, 19:57    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
FatDog is not Puppy Linux and it does stuff that Puppy Linux does not do.

In Puppy Linux, if you want to make multiple save files/folders.
In a console type this:
Code:
shutdownconfig

This will offer to make a save for how the computer is at time you do this.
Just give it a name different from the save you booted with.
On next boot up, you will be asked which save to use.


My bad, I should've paid more attention. The site says it's a derivative after all.

Assuming I'm making my saves in a folder, is there any way I can check how many pup saves I have, and how much space they take up? Is the default folder called "root"?

Thanks a lot!
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rnDPrc

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jul 2019, 20:01    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
rnDPrc wrote:
bigpup wrote:
Thanks for the information!

That would be nice, but understand...


Ah ok, that makes sense. Thanks a lot for the response!

From what I understood, the way to go is to install .sfs files only, correct?

Thanks again Smile

Cheers!

It is all about what the program package was compiled to run in.
SFS packages made for Puppy Linux, if done correctly, should have everything needed in the SFS package.
If compiled and packaged correctly!
Sure , if done correctly they are a good way to use programs.

Pet packages are also good, but they are a little more Puppy version specific.
A lot of it is just what does the program need to run.


That makes sense, thank you!
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