Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series

[Roy]

ttuuxxx,

Thank you for this work... it's fantastic!

I downloaded your first version, loaded it onto a USB stick with Unetbootin, and booted into a nice, clean, well-organized desktop! Then I installed your 2 dot-pet upgrades and remastered a fresh CD -- my first attempt with Puppy's remastering program.
The updated CD works like a charm (I'm using it Live right now).

Monitoring Htop during normal work shows about 65MB of RAM is being used, although browsing with Seamonkey while watching a video movie and performing a full file system search takes the RAM useage to 520MB -- as if anybody in their right mind would do all that at the same time. lol

I'm beginning to think I could run this on an old Toshiba laptop that has only 64MB of RAM, if I create a 100MB swap partition! Of course, the ORIGINAL Puppy 2.14 had Xorg issues with some of those Toshiba video drivers... (Rerwin had posted a cure_for_hanging-probe fix somewhere in the Puppy 4 Beta thread, if I recall.) It will be another month or so before I see that old machine again but will gladly report back with results if anyone is interested. Will 214 Reloaded require that fix I wonder?

A couple of things, though; Which dot-pet series should we look for to add features? I am attaching a screen shot that is requesting an x-shockwave-flash plugin for Seamonkey and in an effort to minimize forum space, looked for the familiar Zip icon on the desktop to compress the file. It's not there! Would it be possible to write a Command Line function example in the Help file for a non-geek end-user to find and use? Of course, there's always Google.

Guys, THIS is why I like Puppy! This looks like a simple, clean, home operating system that works out-of-the-box with nearly all the functionality a home user would ever need.

Thank you, ttuuxxx!

P.S. - Either it's my bandwidth or the forum restrictions, but it doesn't look like my attached screenshot is going to make it. Sorry about that!

[EDIT] I forgot to ask: Since you are updating the filesystem on this distro, will Skype be able to run on it or is that a definite no-go due to other dependencies?

[clarf]

Here's the next release guys, lots of updates and bugs fixed
enjoy l
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... /214X1.iso

Thank´s ttuuxxx, could you add the file checksum please?. I don´t trust my wifi connection anymore...

Ps the first release I installed gnutls but it was kind of big, so I removed it and replaced it with the latest Openssl...
ttuuxxx

You are reaching the 97MB size now for this ISO. I hope you can hold it under 100MB, I know many people request many things and it´s hard to balance size/features, but I'm sure you know which apps are better.

You are the man

[clarf]

Thanks ttuuxxx, you are quite fast...

I´ll like to see icewm updated for 2 series, I tried to compile 1.3.3 version once for Puppy 4.1.2 and I couldn´t (didn´t tried to compile it for 2 series yet). Had you tried it ttuuxxx?.

I don´t use Pburn right now, but 188kb seems a very small size .

Well I just tried to compile Icewm and it compiled just fine
So that can be a extra after
ttuuxxx

Glad to read that, Icewm 1.2x have problems with some applications neither show the correct mini-icon in the window bar or taskbar, instead is shown a black square. I have this problem with last icewm dotpup for 4.1 but that problem was fixed in icewm 1.3 branch...

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=de ... tid=100031

[mawebb88]

Mike,

sorry to hear you still get kernel panic.If you think your drive is not sata then try PMEDIA=idehd and replace each instance of sda by hda. Ensure you have 'idehd' on hda1.

Whatever the problem you will still need a pup_save file. Try using a copy of your working 214R pup_save. Place it in the appropriate folder & name accordingly. If all names & grub entries agree then it could work. If it boots but does not work correctly you at least know that the menu.lst entries are ok. But you still need a working pup_save and the method described in my earlier post will not work.

To create a new empty pup_save boot into your p412 in rox, navigate to /hda2/puppy214x and open a 'terminal here' [right click > window > terminal here ' or just " ' "] then:

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dd if=/dev/zero of=pup_save.2fs bs=1M count=32

to make a 32MB pup_save.2fs, then:

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mke2fs pup_save.2fs

to turn it into an ext2 file system. Alternatively you can use any pup_save file, click to mount & open in rox [ie in p412], delete all inside it, click again to close, and you have an empty pup_save file.

Now boot with this empty pup_save file in /hda2/puppy214x and a correct PUPSAVE parameter as in the previous post, and your p214X should boot as with pfix=ram. It will ask you a few question as on first boot & will populate the pup_save. On 2nd boot it should work as normally with a new pup_save.
I went through this precise sequence and it worked for me. I now have a frugal install with a new pup_save and all works fine.

Good luck.

vg

Success! Many thanks VG. Here is my menu.lst:

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title Puppy214X1
rootnoverify (hd0,1)/puppy214x1
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=hda2 PUPMODE=12 SFSFILE=ntfs,hda2,/puppy214x1/pup_214R.sfs ZDRV=ntfs,hda2,/puppy214x1/zdrv_214R.sfs PUPSAVE=ntfs,hda2,/puppy214x1/pup_save.2fs
# pfix=fsck DEV1FS=ntfs
initrd /initrd.gz

I upgraded to ttuuxxx's X1 version as you can see. I created an empty pup_sav file using your two lines of code. Worked fine.

Nice and fast on mt Acer Aspire 5100. Network wizard worked fine with my WPK encryption setup. One problem I have is that LinNeighborhood does not show correctly the files on my Samba LANDisk. I will post separately to see if ttuuxx can add Pnethood (as in Series 4) which works ok.
Rgds Mike

[mawebb88]

@ttuuxxx

Please can we have Pnethood from series 4 in 214x? LinNeighborhood does not work correctly with my Samba LANDisk (get giberish file names-common to LinNeighborhood with other distros). Pnethood works fine providing I fix the CIF problem by executing:

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echo 0 > /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled

Just before displaying the files in Rox. (I reported this elsewhere on the forum)

Thanks in anticipation (& also thanks for all your great work)

Mike

[mawebb88]

Seamonkey seems to crash quite often. Examples:

I had great difficulty in logging into My Yahoo.com. Persevered and now it works.

http://france.meteofrance.com/france/accueil crashes if you attempt to look at the weather on a future day. (Clue? i bocked the initial popup using SM's popup blocker)

Rgds Mike

[ttuuxxx]

Its the flash or a combo of plugins located in /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/plugins if you move the plugins to another location then restart Seamonkey you should be fine, It could be one of the other plugins. I'll keep working on it, maybe I might have to recompile Seamonkey, since all the changes to the backend.
I'll try that. Might have to disable utf8.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

@ttuuxxx

Please can we have Pnethood from series 4 in 214x? LinNeighborhood does not work correctly with my Samba LANDisk (get giberish file names-common to LinNeighborhood with other distros). Pnethood works fine providing I fix the CIF problem by executing:

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echo 0 > /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled

Just before displaying the files in Rox. (I reported this elsewhere on the forum)

Thanks in anticipation (& also thanks for all your great work)

Mike

I'll try to get pnethood up and running also.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

For Pnethood try this package, please report back if it works
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

wow I just compiled the latest version of Samba 95MB extracted, what a massive program!!.
anyways I'll make a client package and post it.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Ok how did pnethood work for you? I removed the man pages and stripped the bins for samba and its 85MB, I also looked at the help documents, that takes 15mb, but at 85 MB its still a 31MB pet, I compared it to Barry's stripped down version, and well it looks nothing like it. Do you want me to post the 31MB pet of samba? I'll see if I can find a older/smaller version first.
ttuuxxx

[BarryK]

I have also been busy with Puppy2:

http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00779

Feedback invited about what reasons you still use Puppy2.

[ttuuxxx]

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[ecomoney]

Wow! So much work going into 2 series! This is really going to save such a lot of old kit. I have used 2 series via ecopup (2.15ce based) essentially since it came out, and now I have some experience of 4 series. I was thinking of switching to offering a 4 series based install to my clients...I might have to rethink that.

The reasons I was thinking of switching were basically because I was having a lot of problems with 2 series with wireless...either new usb dongles or laptops with built in wireless....as well as trouble with it not running the latest applications (which this will solve). I was also having problems with newer printers (especially usb ones).

While its easy to get hold of older computers, getting hold of older peripherals is not. Ttuuxxx I hope you will use some of your valuable time to update the number of wireless dongles/cards automatically detected, as well as updating the Apps/CUPS which youve already done.

Ive got such a lot on at the moment getting the Mission cybercafe working so I can get a little money in, and my "company" is being audited at the moment as they are suspicious weve posted no profit in four years! This leaves me little time for testing this hardware-wise ATM.

When my current projects are done, my next move is to return to and finish the Puppy "Phoenix" CE project. This will essentially be an exercise in testing the "just works" part, as well as making improvements to look and feel, installers, file type handling and improving access to the most used/requested larger "end user" applications (i.e. Firefox/OpenOffice). This updated 2 series is looking to be a fine base for this, and if it is I will make sure you are well credited Ttuuxxx, and everyone else who has contributed.

Any news on the updated NTFS driver? And will you be adding an icewm package? Also a sensitive question...will Zigberts pSeries apps work? These seem to be maturing and overcoming their technical bugs/inefficiencies well.

Keep up the good work Ttuuxxx/others

[ttuuxxx]

Keep up the good work Ttuuxxx/others

Well I'll update as much as I can, Its going pretty good now, a few minor quarks, but it would good if we a had one of our network/wireless/Video pro's lend a hand. Other than that, The last thing I'll do hopefully is a Cups package if we had some dedicated testers for it.
ttuuxxx

PS it wouldn't take much to get any of zigberts P products working, looks like I might install pburn, since I didn't get any feedback from the xfburn package I posted.
I already have Search Monkey in, so Pfind isn't needed and also I have LXtask installed so Pprocess isn't needed. Unless your talking about Pwidgets, then all you would need is conky compiled and the pwidgets add on package.
ttuuxxx

[tempestuous]

As one of the contributors/developers of Puppy 214R, I thought I would jump in with some information about Flash and XMMS in Puppy2.

On the Developer Blog entry "The return of Puppy2!" -

Flash is terrible, The glibC is outdated and I can't update that, or it will cripple the who OS.

The issue of glibc is complex. Some knowledgeable person on the forum recently mentioned that for maximum compatibility and stability in Linux all applications and libraries should be compiled under the same version of glibc. We all knew that this was true of kernel modules, and to a lesser extent; Xorg and GTK2. But everything else?
This was something I had always suspected might be true, and I now believe it. But there's no point getting too fussed about complete glibc compatibility. Puppy already has a mish-mash of utilities carried over from earlier versions. I should know: I contributed the wpa_supplicant application used in the current Puppy 4.2. But it was introduced somewhere in the (Slackware 10-compatible) Puppy 3 series.

So back to Flash. I can't speak for the current version of Flash, but back when I was helping pakt and Dougal build 214R we had a similar warning about glibc ... but this was just an installer script warning.
Personally I hate installer scripts anyway. All we had to do was manually extract the Flash binaries and place them in the correct location. Flash then worked fine.

So glibc compatibility is desirable, but not necessarily essential.
More to the point: some modern applications won't compile under older versions of glibc.
But then many modern applications won't compile under older versions of GTK2.
And if you upgrade glibc, and GTK2, then you might as well upgrade the kernel and Xorg! Then Puppy 2 isn't Puppy 2 any more.

Gtk1.2 is still useful for some older apps like Xmms, but it ran buggy on 2.14X so I removed it

There was planned to be an update to Puppy 214R called Minipup216, with a significantly different suite of applications. For this release I compiled XMMS 1.2.11 and pakt tested it quite thoroughly. He didn't find any bugs. It's available as a dotpet here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26528

I should point out that the Xorgwizard in 214R was completely overhauled by Dougal. It's the only version of Puppy which offers the correct resolution of 1280x1024 as the default value for my 17 inch LCD monitor.

[mawebb88]

Its the flash or a combo of plugins located in /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/plugins if you move the plugins to another location then restart Seamonkey you should be fine, It could be one of the other plugins. I'll keep working on it, maybe I might have to recompile Seamonkey, since all the changes to the backend.
I'll try that. Might have to disableutf8.
ttuuxxx

@ttuuxxx
I renamed /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/plugins to /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/nbg_plugins and restarted SM and as you predicted sites which crashed SM are now okay. Many thanks
Rgds Mike

[mawebb88]

before trying pnethood could you try this package I made up, I have no idea what I was doing with it it, but it made sense, lol
Never messed with samba before, so bare with me. lol
ttuuxxx

Tried your Samba PET. Unfortunately after installation of this LinNeiighborhood does not open shares when clicking on a machine.

Rgds Mike

[ttuuxxx]

]

I should point out that the Xorgwizard in 214R was completely overhauled by Dougal. It's the only version of Puppy which offers the correct resolution of 1280x1024 as the default value for my 17 inch LCD monitor.

Hi tempestuous, thats kind of what I was trying to say, but you said it way better:), I think the key ingredients of 2.14R which stand out is the kernel, that was used, and Xorg. Both work excellent together. The gtk2 is already updated in this version, Really if we had a modern base, eg Dpup or Upup, with 2.14r kernel/Xorg and no other unnecessary addons like Dpup&Upup both enjoy, eg, Extra Gnome libs, Dbus etc. we would have a winning combo on our hands for older computers. Once I'm finished this project. I'm going to rip apart Dpup and recompile all the Debian parts without the extra libs. and bring the size down, and make a regular pup out of it, Dpup does work excellent on my pc, the best pup for speed so far, well on my modern pc.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

before trying pnethood could you try this package I made up, I have no idea what I was doing with it it, but it made sense, lol
Never messed with samba before, so bare with me. lol
ttuuxxx

Tried your Samba PET. Unfortunately after installation of this LinNeiighborhood does not open shares when clicking on a machine.

Rgds Mike

ok just uninstall it and try the Pnethood pet I posted, that should work. Thanks for testing the package, I had my fingers cross with that one
ttuuxxx