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What is the best Puppy Version ever, LOL
2.14x
28%
 28%  [ 11 ]
2.14x
10%
 10%  [ 4 ]
2.14x
28%
 28%  [ 11 ]
Other: 2.14x only
31%
 31%  [ 12 ]
Total Votes : 38

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aloo-shu

Joined: 13 Nov 2016
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PostPosted: Sat 19 Nov 2016, 20:46    Post subject:  

thanx, I've done that.

Still you might be one who's able to tell me why that kernel for this distro, or more generally, what is it that makes this distro run a graphical desktop&apps just fine with 64MiB RAM when others don't? Are there particular techniques I might use to adapt other distros (or kernels), or is it simply that the main factor is using old enough software?

Oh yes, and a different question, would it help newer kernels to have, say, 1GiB swap space for 64MiB RAM? I doubt it, but most things published on swap are 'rules of thump' with little explanation..
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sat 19 Nov 2016, 21:59    Post subject:  

You can't really go by iso size, Newer puppy versions Have much higher compression ratios, So they are packing a lot in smaller spaces and take more memory, Plus they have very larger kernels, 4-5 times the size, Plus they lack older hardware support. You can't really compare older puppy version to newer ones, Plus you can't just swap a kernel on older versions. You could try a large swap file. In about a week I'll be updating 2.14X again. Did you get your wireless connection working?
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tempestuous

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Nov 2016, 22:31    Post subject:  

Backporting a modern kernel module (driver) requires specialised coding - way beyond my skill level.

Yes, it's feasible to "transplant" a more modern kernel into Puppy 2.14, but you probably want the kernel to be not TOO new, since I understand that Puppy 2 uses an older method of hard drive access (pre-SATA) and its startup scripts might not match modern kernels. But again, this is really too hard.

The best solution IMO is to use an older USB wifi dongle - old computer, old wifi.
Of course you won't be able to buy such a thing brand new, you will need to browse second hand computer stores, or eBay.

I can point you in the right direction -
the most "modern" USB wifi driver in Puppy 2.14X is probably the Ralink rt2870sta
which I compiled from proprietary source code in Jan 2009, and posted on the forum at that time.

To get a wifi dongle which uses this driver, refer here -
http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Ralink
and look for "rt2870" and "rt2870sta"
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aloo-shu

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PostPosted: Sun 20 Nov 2016, 21:34    Post subject:  

Well, in my lifestyle, I'm ready to invest time&effort rather than any penny, so buying a dongle is out of the question.
I'm in the process of discovering the immense biodiversity of the puppyverse, so given the fact that my target machine is in a place without network, combined with the compactness of puppy, it looks more promising to me to download a number of potentially suitable puplets to try out, than hunting for driver backports or kernels in a painful trial&error process with a lot of plumbing.
That way, I'll have some kernels to play with as a byproduct - the 6GB HD allows parallel installs.
The experience with just dropping in 3 series kernels and their initrds&modules, could confirm your suspicion, they'd boot to a commandline in their native debian, not so in puppy 2.14, kernel panics to do with the block to mount root fs on not existing, so I'm not sure if any script could be running at that point and had thought that old grub (1) might not boot newer kernels - unfortunatlely no offline man or info to seek more enlightenment.
The other viable approach would be getting android thethering going, and other users would benefit if that worked. It cannot be overly complicated, since android uses the linux kernel, too, and I understand that this thethering is a forwarding of sockets over usb, all neccesary dealings with the wireless card have been done on the android device, and the ready ip/tcp packets are being forwarded. I know this worked out of the box on Lucid Lynx, so it can't be too far out. And then, adb, the android debugging brigde, could have existed in versions for the 2.6.18 kernel, and would allow to arrange this tunneling by hand (or ultimately script), to a phone with usb debugging/development enabled, usually a user accessible option. Would be an opportunity for me to learn what sockets are and how to use commandline tools to manipulate them.
I'm seriously missing offline man pages in puppy, but happen to have an excellently documented recent & very complete slackware around, that'll help. Both distros lend themselves to hand-plumbing (and the learning therof), I'm not surprised an affinity has developed :). I even managed a basic install of that slackware on the old machine, but still have to learn to set up networking and all the paraphenalia from the commandline. I bet I could then fire up a puppy session, desktop, graphics, the works, in a chroot from there :).

enough idle musings
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sullysat


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Apr 2017, 23:36    Post subject:  

FYI, I recently moved my website and it looks like the Puppy mirror didn't really make the trip.

I'll have this back up asap.

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 03:59    Post subject:  

sullysat wrote:
FYI, I recently moved my website and it looks like the Puppy mirror didn't really make the trip.

I'll have this back up asap.

Thanks for keeping this, its been a great asset for people Smile
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Puppyt

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Apr 2017, 05:32    Post subject:    

Thumbs up, sullysat Smile
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greengeek


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PostPosted: Sun 14 May 2017, 05:12    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
Here's the latest netsurf browser, took a bit of compiling time and altering the usr/include/gtk2 files about 20 of them.
enjoy
ttuuxxx
Hi ttuuxxx - any chance of posting a link to any netsurf versions you have available?

cheers!
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PostPosted: Sun 14 May 2017, 11:04    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
Here's the latest netsurf browser, took a bit of compiling time and altering the usr/include/gtk2 files about 20 of them.
enjoy
ttuuxxx
Hi ttuuxxx - any chance of posting a link to any netsurf versions you have available?

cheers!

try this one http://www.wisdom-seekers.com/puppy/214x/netsurf-2.8-i386.pet
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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 03:28    Post subject:  

Hi Ttuxxx, thanks for the link. Unfortunately I cannot access it - I continually get "server timeout" errors. Anyone else able to access the link??
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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 05:29    Post subject:  

sullysat wrote:
FYI, I recently moved my website and it looks like the Puppy mirror didn't really make the trip.

I'll have this back up asap.

Hi your server is timing out? http://www.wisdom-seekers.com/puppy/214x/netsurf-2.8-i386.pet
ttuuxxx

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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 05:47    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx.

Yes! 4 browsers..it just won't won't connect.

And while I'm here...are you doing any more Stretch mate?

Chris.
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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 06:16    Post subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
ttuuxxx.

Yes! 4 browsers..it just won't won't connect.

And while I'm here...are you doing any more Stretch mate?

Chris.

Well as Stretch goes, My last release people were saying I was releasing newer versions too quick, that I wasn't giving a detailed description of what changes being made and that it wasn't working on one pc, One complaint blamed a hard drive malfunction on it, Lol it was a lot of headaches and complaints, taking the fun out of it, I'm still using it everyday without issues. I figured I would sit back and see if anyone would do better, since there was a lot of opinions that way. Haven't seen much since I took the wait and see approach. Do you think I should give it another look?
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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 07:34    Post subject:  

" Do you think I should give it another look? "

Yes mate, I like it.

Booted it up on quite a few different laptops/desktops.

Even put it on my daughters' Dell pc.....inherited.
For Internet banking etc.
Even picked up that wireless card.

So it seems to work more like some old style pups.
Keep Rox please if you will.

Bugger the whingers.
Take your time and enjoy your creations.

Reminds me of BK....gonna retire.
Oh! here's a Quirky, hey I just made Easy Linux etc.
Because he doesn't have to do it it has become more fun again.

His Rasberry release got great reviews for example.

Even lobster has been kicking the tyres around Murga lately.

Cheers....Chris.
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PostPosted: Mon 15 May 2017, 21:13    Post subject:  

cthisbear wrote:
" Do you think I should give it another look? "

Yes mate, I like it.

Booted it up on quite a few different laptops/desktops.

Even put it on my daughters' Dell pc.....inherited.
For Internet banking etc.
Even picked up that wireless card.

So it seems to work more like some old style pups.
Keep Rox please if you will.

Bugger the whingers.
Take your time and enjoy your creations.

Reminds me of BK....gonna retire.
Oh! here's a Quirky, hey I just made Easy Linux etc.
Because he doesn't have to do it it has become more fun again.

His Rasberry release got great reviews for example.

Even lobster has been kicking the tyres around Murga lately.

Cheers....Chris.


Ok then, I'll revisit it this weekend, Working a lot this this week 13hrs today alone, Now I'm watching hockey play offs Smile

ttuuxxx

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