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2.14x
11
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2.14x
4
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2.14x
11
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Other: 2.14x only
12
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greengeek
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#5071 Post by greengeek »

Eathray wrote: The right boot parameter to make it call the correct save file. It's supposed to be something like psave or pupsave = blah blah, but I haven't figured it out yet... we need ttuuxxx for that one :)
I seem to recall somewhere reading that series 2 pups needed the "psavemark" parameter to define the savefile location. Vague memory though...

keniv
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#5072 Post by keniv »

Thanks for that Earthray. I deleted my 214x directory and save file and started again. However ,I still have the problem of saving to the save file. I believe that only the stuff that was saved when I set it up ie wifi, xorg etc. After that nothing seems to be saved properly. There are odd things though. This time i went for xorg. This let me move icons about on the desktop. these changes are saved when I reboot. I can install pwidgets. This works fine to the next reboot. It does not appear on the screen. It cannot be opened but it can be uninstalled. Unless there is a grub command that I can use to tell 214x the save file to save too I seem to be stuck.

Regards,

Ken.

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Eathray
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#5073 Post by Eathray »

Let's wait for new orders from General Ttuuxxx. More 'intel' is needed.

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#5074 Post by Keef »

This is what I used to use:

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title 214X (hda2/214X)
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /214X/initrd.gz
  kernel /214X/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PDEV1=hda1 psubdir=214X pmedia=atahd PUPSAVE=ext3,hda2,/214X/pup_save-214X.3fs 
  initrd /214X/initrd.gz
Adjust to suit your setup.

I think you have to add the PUPSAVE parameter *after* you have made the savefile. Otherwise it complains a lot and won't boot.

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#5075 Post by keniv »

Thanks Keef
It looks as if it will work. I try it tomorrow. Going to bed now.

Regards,

Ken.

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#5076 Post by keniv »

Well I tried many versions of Keefs extract from his menu.lst for 214x after altering it to suit system. If I use it as is except for changes to suit my system the boot process crashes complaining about not being able to load things. It then pauses 30s then comes up with more compaints. If I comment out the bit that says where the save file is it boots up sucessfuly having loaded the save file. But when shutdown it says that the file does not exist.
I am now at a loss as to what to try next..

Regards,

Ken.

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#5077 Post by Keef »

keniv

Not used 214x for a while, so can't test it out. But when there are problems with booting/saving I think it is best to go simple first just to make sure everything works.
I would forget the folder to start with, and keep the menu.lst entry as simple as possible. eg:

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title 214X 
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /initrd.gz
  kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0  
  initrd /initrd.gz
I think 'pmedia=atahd' can be dropped, but if not also try 'idehd' instead. Not sure if it makes a difference, but worth a try.
In my original listing, I had PDEV1=hda1, when it should have been hda2.

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#5078 Post by keniv »

I have almost given up on this. I've had a look here

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35003

and here

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/BootParametersPuppy

Everything I've tried has failed. I may try burning to a cd, install the .sfs and the save file then see if the save file works if I boot from the cd.
If that works I might try again with grub. I think if that fails I'll have to give up. It would be a pity as it seems to run quite fast on this old hardware.

Ken.

darry1966

#5079 Post by darry1966 »

Hi Starhawk,

I noted you have one of these sexy beasts namely the "Dell CPi (P2 300MHz, 128mb RAM" just wondered would SuperSulu 5.2.8.7 with the same kernel as Precise retro be any faster, Is Lucid lighter system wise than Precise??

Not really tried Precise.

Just curious because I find it interesting to hear how you keep these old girls going?
http://www.mediafire.com/download/trph1 ... 150702.iso

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#5080 Post by James C »

Still boot into this occasionally......

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-Computer-
Processor		: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Memory		: 2067MB (194MB used)
Operating System		: Puppy Linux 0.00
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Sun 06 Dec 2015 01:04:43 AM PUP
-Display-
Resolution		: 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Unknown
X11 Vendor		: (null)
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter		: ICH4 - Intel ICH5
-Input Devices-
 AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
 ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse
-Printers (CUPS)-
CUPS-PDF		: <i>Default</i>
-IDE Disks-
WDC WD2000JB-00FUA0
WDC WD2000JB-00GVA0
HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GH22LP20

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Version-
Kernel		: Linux 2.6.18.1 (i686)
Compiled		: #1 Thu Feb 1 23:05:39 PUP 2007
C Library		: GNU C Library version 2.10.1 (stable)
Default C Compiler		: Unknown
Distribution		: Puppy Linux 0.00
-Current Session-
Computer Name		: puppypc
User Name		: root (root)
Home Directory		: /root
Desktop Environment		: Unknown (Window Manager: Metacity

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sh-3.00# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      2067952       307424      1760528            0         9844
 Swap:      2150392            0      2150392
Total:      4218344       307424      3910920

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#5081 Post by clarf »

keniv wrote:Thanks for that Earthray. I deleted my 214x directory and save file and started again. However ,I still have the problem of saving to the save file. I believe that only the stuff that was saved when I set it up ie wifi, xorg etc. After that nothing seems to be saved properly. There are odd things though. This time i went for xorg. This let me move icons about on the desktop. these changes are saved when I reboot. I can install pwidgets. This works fine to the next reboot. It does not appear on the screen. It cannot be opened but it can be uninstalled. Unless there is a grub command that I can use to tell 214x the save file to save too I seem to be stuck.

Regards,

Ken.
Hi,

Your problem saving stuff to the pupsave file could be resolved checking this solution:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=4922
you can also use:

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tail -n +2 
instead of awk.


Regards,
Clarf

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Re: Opera 12.16 for 214x Classic

#5082 Post by ac2011 »

Regarding Opera 12...
ttuuxxx wrote:I redid the .Desktop file, I changed the icons, added a home button, added the bookmarks bar, added bookmarks, added duckduckgo and Ad Block Plus, and removed the locales, removed the kdelibs, removed the gstreamer plugins, added links to gxine plugin and flash plugin. here's the link http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/2.14X/S ... 60-386.pet its 13mb :) ttuuxxx
This works great on my newer machines, but on the old Pentium 166 it has the same issue: because it was compiled with the newer GlibC version that uses cmov, it won't run.

I know it's a big ask, but is there any chance you could recompile this under the 2.14X Top 9 environment, if you still have it? Or an environment with the older GlibC?

The older Opera 11 was compiled that way and it works. Opera 12 is pretty stable and secure, so it would be nice to have it running on a 1996 Pentium 166!

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While you're waiting

#5083 Post by mikeslr »

Hi ac2011,

While you're waiting for someone to compile an opera 11, you might want to try running one from a "program folder". I always run opera in that manner. Although this post is about SWIron, this is the same technique I use to set up opera as a program folder. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 532#507532. Essentially, you just download the opera tar.gz and decompress it on you're home partition.

Works with either Full or Frugal install Puppies.

You can find old versions of opera here: http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os ... 6&list=all

At the top level of the decompressed opera folder you'll find a script named "opera:. Left-clicking it should open it. The rest of the "SWIron" thread deals with how to obtain easy access via desktop icon or menu entry.

Hope this helps.

mikesLr

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#5084 Post by ally »


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#5085 Post by ac2011 »

Thanks both. I have Opera 11 working on the P166, it's the final Opera 12 that won't run because it was compiled under a later GlibC. That's the one I'm after.


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#5087 Post by ac2011 »

Thanks! The first one definitely doesn't work on the Pentium because it was compiled with the later GlibC that has instructions the P166 doesn't understand, but I'll give the second one a try. Much obliged.

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#5088 Post by James C »

Still using on a couple of old P3's....... :D

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#5089 Post by wanderer »

hi all

to continue the conversation about ttuuxxx's own puppy

its really all the work and creativity that ttuuxxx put into it
that made TOP such a masterpiece
that is why we are hoping he will continue his efforts

like i said on another thread
i have made many morphs of TOP
but i didnt have the expertise to to isolate everything
tinycore has worked these issues out
and this can be applied to TOP
so it can save ttuuxxx some work
and make TOP even better

its not disparaging woof-ce
just avoiding the bottlenecks

TOP forever
its history man

wanderer

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#5090 Post by wanderer »

ttuuxxx

just curious

do you intend to continue 214 or a modification of 214 ?
do you intend to make a different system ?
do you intend to use woof-ce ?
are the tinycore ideas of any interest ?

answer if you feel like it
im looking forward to whatever you do

wanderer

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