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#5041 Post by RetroTechGuy »

starhawk wrote:Hate to be a pest -- but -- can you pull the numbers off one of the chips for the first and the last sticks in that quartet? I can't make sense of the labels... but if I know chips, I can find datasheets -- and I can read datasheets :)
Hang on, I just found 4 more (2 in a bag labelled "good").

Left end is S16008LK9TW -75AG

Right end is: 48LC8M16A2 -75 B

I think that I also found a couple internal wireless cards.
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#5042 Post by starhawk »

None of the first four are EDO... I'll hang on for your next post :)

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#5043 Post by RetroTechGuy »

starhawk wrote:None of the first four are EDO... I'll hang on for your next post :)
Just added an image to the previous message.

My bet is that none of my collection is EDO...
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#5044 Post by starhawk »

So I see :)

Chip #s from lefty and middle, please.

Also, those two MiniPCI cards are modems. Recycle or keep, but don't send 'em here, please.

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#5045 Post by RetroTechGuy »

starhawk wrote:So I see :)

Chip #s from lefty and middle, please.

Also, those two MiniPCI cards are modems. Recycle or keep, but don't send 'em here, please.
(I thought that I had accumulated some internal wireless cards also -- don't see them at the moment -- but with a PCMCIA USB and a USB dongle, you can get wireless)

Left: GM72V661641CT10K

Middle (Crucial): 48LC8M16A2
Back side says: MT8LSDT1664HG-13EG3

BTW, did I mention 30-pin simms? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#5046 Post by starhawk »

Wow, that's a lot of SIMMs!! :shock:

None of the SODIMMs so far are EDO...

I think I'm going to turn in... maybe tomorrow we should switch to PMs, don't want to hijack ttuuxxx any more than I have to ;)

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#5047 Post by RetroTechGuy »

starhawk wrote:Wow, that's a lot of SIMMs!! :shock:

None of the SODIMMs so far are EDO...

I think I'm going to turn in... maybe tomorrow we should switch to PMs, don't want to hijack ttuuxxx any more than I have to ;)
What, isn't it a retro system for retro hardware... ;-)
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#5048 Post by keniv »

Hi All
I've done a manual frugal install of 214x-Top10.iso on my old Toshiba laptop(800MHz, 320MB). I have 3 other pups on this machine. The file system is ntfs and I'm booting using grub4dos. All the other pups boot up fine but I can't get 214x to boot up to a desktop. The booting process starts and various things happen including the finding of the sfs file. The system then hangs with somthing like that shown bellow

"init"

init is the parent process

I can't remember the exact details of this and can't copy the screen.

I have checked my menu.lst and think its correct. Has anybody got any ideas as to whats going wrong. I'd appreciate any help to get it working.

Regards,

Ken.

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#5049 Post by ttuuxxx »

keniv wrote:Hi All
I've done a manual frugal install of 214x-Top10.iso on my old Toshiba laptop(800MHz, 320MB). I have 3 other pups on this machine. The file system is ntfs and I'm booting using grub4dos. All the other pups boot up fine but I can't get 214x to boot up to a desktop. The booting process starts and various things happen including the finding of the sfs file. The system then hangs with somthing like that shown bellow

"init"

init is the parent process

I can't remember the exact details of this and can't copy the screen.

I have checked my menu.lst and think its correct. Has anybody got any ideas as to whats going wrong. I'd appreciate any help to get it working.

Regards,

Ken.
There has been some help before for this issue, look/read up at http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=394267
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
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#5050 Post by keniv »

Hi ttuuxxx,
Thanks for the link. I am now able to boot to the desktop. Sound and wifi both working. I am typing from Aurora now. Kernal line in grub now looks like this.

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kernel /214x/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0   psubdir=214x pmedia=atahd  pfix=fsck
Have not had a pup that needed the root=/dev/ram0 before. The save file was put in /mnt/home rather than /mnt/home/214x as I expected. I moved it to /mnt/home/214x but at startup it now thinks that this file exists both in /mnt/home and /mnt/home/214x. However, this is a minor irritation which I hope to sort out. I'll try some of your new packages.

Thanks again,

Ken.

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Re: Opera 12.16 for 214x Classic

#5051 Post by Eathray »

ttuuxxx wrote:
Eathray wrote:Okay, so here is a recent version of Opera for 214x Classic:

https://www.sendspace.com/file/k0xg4f

Maybe somebody wants to grab it quick and put it somewhere official because I don't know anything about this file sharing site or how long they'll leave it up.

It's a recent Opera and seems to work mostly good on my older laptop. 12.16 for Linux. This is only my second pet so... hope it works.

eathray
Ok Had a look at your pet package, you broke the pet package by renaming it after you made the pet. Always rename the folder first, delete the old ***.pet.specs file inside the folder and then make the pet package.
I redid the .Desktop file, I changed the icons, added a home button, added the bookmarks bar, added bookmarks, added duckduckgo and Ad Block Plus, and removed the locales, removed the kdelibs, removed the gstreamer plugins, added links to gxine plugin and flash plugin. here's the link http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/2.14X/S ... 60-386.pet its 13mb :) ttuuxxx
So I tested ttuuxxx's opera. It seems equally stable to mine and slightly faster... probably because he knows where to cut :)

As to why my pet didn't install for ttuuxxx but did for me and a couple others... I have no idea. I defer to ttuuxxx that something is wrong.

I added ghostery to mine, and suggest others do to. Slight performance improvement. Every little bit counts on these older machines.

Ttuuxxx, maybe you could have a look at one thing. Opera doesn't work on the site: hangouts.google.com but it does work under Firefox. Not a big deal because I finally got my pidgin messenger fixed, but still, something's not right there. Maybe the talk plugin is needed under opera, but ff already has the capability built in...? Well, when you have time.

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#5052 Post by greengeek »

Eathray wrote:@greengeek , hey, do you have anything with 214x running by the way? I should explain, my goal here is a modern browser that can handle today's websites, but the older 2x series kernel to handle the older hardware.
No I don't unfortunately - I only use it from time to time in live mode booted from CD when I want to try it's performance on various older PCs that come my way. I found it did not play nice with some other pups when I tried to boot multiple puppies installed frugally on HDD or usb so I just resorted to CD boots without savefile (probably some issue with the way I set up the menu.lst stanza - but it kept grabbing the wrong savefile)

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#5053 Post by keniv »

Have installed "new" version of opera. Does not install a menu entry. Does not run. Running in console get "failed to set up core". Also installed QtWeb. Get menu entry but will not run from this. Running in console get "bus error". Also I can't find a way to get a startup icon onto the desktop. Drag and drop does no work. Nor does copy and paste though I can paste to root/desktop. Cannot get the number of desktops down to one. When I set it to one it comes back with "Configuration has not been altered" I am definitely struggling with this pup. Again I would be grateful for any help with the above.

Regards.

Ken.

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#5054 Post by Eathray »

Did you reboot or restart the x server after you installed? You need that for the menu entry... simple I know, just checking.

Bus error... do you have dbus and or glib? Don't remember if it's included. There's a couple simple things to check. Others jump in...

Edit:
I just checked my classic pup and I did not install dbus or glib, so ttuuxxx must have included them, so no thoughts on the bus error. Must mean something else.

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#5055 Post by rufwoof »

GOB SMACKED ... TOTALLY GOB SMACKED.

Downloaded the 214x ISO, extracted the files to HDD /214x directory. Edited menu.lst (grub4dos) to point to the initrd and vmlinuz, rebooted and didn't find the pup sfs. Moved the pup up to the root directory and figured that you had to add a ram pointer to the menu.lst entry and up popped the desktop. i.e. my menu.lst entry now contains (my ext3 partition where 214 is, is on sda3 hence hd0,2 as they count from 0 (sda1 = hd0,0 etc)).

title 214x
kernel (hd0,2)/214x/vmlinuz pmedia=idehd root=/dev/ram0
initrd (hd0,2)/214x/initrd.gz

EDIT : adding psubdir=/214x to the kernel line enabled OK booting with puppy sfs in /214x sub directory.

I booted to XVesa (have a nvidia card but thought on such a old system a low spec choice would be the better choice) ... and totally stunned. Beautiful, clean and crisp. Loaded up my portable firefox running the latest version (42.0 currently) that I keep on the HDD for general browsing and all worked great. Sounds configured ok. Loads mp4's ok. Youtubes playing fine (think its using HTML5 instead of flash?).

Only a couple of issues. 1. When I drag and drop files between rox windows more usually it moves the file, but I'm seeing the file retrace back (trying to move files from ext3 HDD folder to /root). 2. Skype. Installed the PET, starts but complains it needs to be updated, but having problems figuring how how to get a working version going.
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#5056 Post by rufwoof »

How do I open up initrd.gz ???

More usually I cd to where initrd.gz is and create a directory beneath that, cd to that new directory and use the command

zcat ../initrd.gz | cpio -id

to extract the contents. But that isn't working for me.

I ask because I prefer to remaster rather than use a save file. Create a huge initrd with pup sfs (and zdrv) contents contained within, along with copies of initrd.gz and vmlinuz. That way I can remaster without needing a CD (all integral), and also means that initrd contents are open (sub directory under the remaster script) so I can edit init or any other files (DISTRO_SPECS etc). It also means it can be very quick to remaster, typically a few seconds if you use the mksquashfs -noappend -noX -noF -noD -noI (that's a capital i (eye) not a L) i.e. no compression. I then usually have that remaster script as a desktop icon so a click of that and a few seconds later I have a new initrd (huge) that can replace the previous one, where the new one has a snapshot of the puppy at the time the desktop icon was clicked ... i.e. a save.

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#5057 Post by mikeslr »

rufwoof wrote:How do I open up initrd.gz ???
Hi rufwoof,

Not sure this will help. I suspect it merely provides a GUI linking to the commands you were entering manually. But that's a guess -- I haven't decompressed it.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 645#576645

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#5058 Post by keniv »

Did you reboot or restart the x server after you installed?
Yes, I also ran fix menus from the menu entry and in a console but nothing changed. Opera looks to be installed but won't start. there is no .desktop file. I also tried running it from /usr/bin but no luck. I ran 214x pfix=ram and made a new save file then reinstalled opera but it still won't run. I also found that changes were not being saved to the save file but have fixed this. Have installed pwidgets. Have still not solved the drag and drop issue in rox. Can copy and paste using thunar. Is this the way it's done?

Regards,

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#5059 Post by ttuuxxx »

rufwoof wrote:How do I open up initrd.gz ???

More usually I cd to where initrd.gz is and create a directory beneath that, cd to that new directory and use the command

zcat ../initrd.gz | cpio -id

to extract the contents. But that isn't working for me.

I ask because I prefer to remaster rather than use a save file. Create a huge initrd with pup sfs (and zdrv) contents contained within, along with copies of initrd.gz and vmlinuz. That way I can remaster without needing a CD (all integral), and also means that initrd contents are open (sub directory under the remaster script) so I can edit init or any other files (DISTRO_SPECS etc). It also means it can be very quick to remaster, typically a few seconds if you use the mksquashfs -noappend -noX -noF -noD -noI (that's a capital i (eye) not a L) i.e. no compression. I then usually have that remaster script as a desktop icon so a click of that and a few seconds later I have a new initrd (huge) that can replace the previous one, where the new one has a snapshot of the puppy at the time the desktop icon was clicked ... i.e. a save.
Older versions of puppy used this http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 712#168712

Its the second one on the list of 2.

gunzip initrd.gz
mount initrd /mnt/data -o loop
### Now go into /mnt/data and make any edits you need to make ###
umount /mnt/data
gzip initrd
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#5060 Post by ttuuxxx »

keniv wrote:
Did you reboot or restart the x server after you installed?
Yes, I also ran fix menus from the menu entry and in a console but nothing changed. Opera looks to be installed but won't start. there is no .desktop file. I also tried running it from /usr/bin but no luck. I ran 214x pfix=ram and made a new save file then reinstalled opera but it still won't run. I also found that changes were not being saved to the save file but have fixed this. Have installed pwidgets. Have still not solved the drag and drop issue in rox. Can copy and paste using thunar. Is this the way it's done?

Regards,

Ken.
drag and drop issues with rox is due to the wrong Xorg driver being installed.
http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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