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2.14x
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2.14x
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2.14x
11
29%
Other: 2.14x only
12
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#4846 Post by ttuuxxx »

Yes guys I haven't had much free time to update 2.14x lately but I'm currently working on it :)
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http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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#4847 Post by James C »

Good to see you back. :)

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#4848 Post by ttuuxxx »

James C wrote:Good to see you back. :)
Thanks James nice to have you around :)
I was ready to release the next version but, I'm still having the Firefox update issue, but I think I worked it out, basically every-time I rebuild the sfs image Firefox no longer works, but if I delete it and then replace it with one same one I have stored on my hard-drive in the same place it works, then I compared sizes, the latest Firefox is 5MB larger compressed, heck I could keep the old version and add a small gimp release and the iso would be smaller, lol anyways I looked at the Firefox folders in size and its 2mb smaller. What i think is happening is that we've hit the max sfs file and some parts of Firefox is being transferred during the squashsfs build, the pup_214X.sfs expanded is 299MB and I think there is a 300mb sfs limit for the older squash system. So no idea what to do now, maybe have a browser selector like newer puppies and only include dillo. keep the older browser?, I could compile the latest but then people can't update, mozilla doesn't like it when custom builds update with main stream browsers, it messes with there stability/crashes reports.
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http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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#4849 Post by ttuuxxx »

also guys if you see the lung thing after my post, its basically I stopped smoking after 25+ years and started vaping, vaping you use a Rip-Off which contains around 15 chemicals, not 4000 like a cig and as long you stick to good suppliers you'll never get cancer, you'll get rid of smokers cough, etc. its kind of a way to stop smoking because its based on water vapor, or you can continue and forget about the bad things. right now I feel 100% better, but I did import some really cheap stuff from china that went wrong, the stuff from UK, USA, Canada, NZ so far has been the best. In Australia its illegal to sell it with nicotine, but its ok to import a 3 months supply. If anyone wants to stop smoking pm me and I'll set you up with what you need a lot cheaper and healthier than most will sell you, depending where you live, I don't make any commission on it, its just that I've tried stop well over 30+ times and this at least won't kill me in the end.
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http://audio.online-convert.com/ <-- excellent site
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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#4850 Post by James C »

Just did a fresh full install of Top 10 on an old P4 test box..... no problems. Everything pretty well working ootb.

Went ahead and installed SeaMonkey 2.14.1.....works fine.Time to tweak a bit more.

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 2594MB (190MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.00
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Fri 04 Jan 2013 11:21:17 PM PUP
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : (null)
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5

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-Version-
Kernel		: Linux 2.6.18.1 (i686)
Compiled		: #1 Thu Feb 1 23:05:39 PUP 2007
C Library		: GNU C Library version 2.10.1 (stable)
Default C Compiler		: Unknown
Distribution		: Puppy Linux 0.00
-Current Session-
Computer Name		: puppypc
User Name		: root (root)
Home Directory		: /root
Desktop Environment		: Unknown (Window Manager: Metacity)
-Misc-
Uptime		: 5 hours, 56 minutes
Load Average		: 0.02, 0.06, 0.03

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sh-3.00# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      2594736       412636      2182100            0        44988
 Swap:      4198392            0      4198392
Total:      6793128       412636      6380492
sh-3.00#

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#4851 Post by James C »

Browsers are a touchy subject around here...... some prefer Firefox,some Opera and some SeaMonkey. I personally prefer SeaMonkey.I also still use FirePup on a couple of really old boxes..... :lol:

On the long-term installs of Top 10 that I've been running for a long,long time I replaced Aurora with my own Firefox pet and used my SeaMonkey pet too so it won't really affect me.Both update because I like to keep a current version. However only having Dillo installed shouldn't be a problem to anyone if it was easy enough for the users to just download and install the fullsize browser.

Congrats on quitting smoking....... I quit about 25 years ago. I preferred breathing to smoking..... :lol:

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#4852 Post by 2000kevin2000 »

I'm interested in using this on a Pentium MMX 166mhz with 96MB RAM!

It's a proprietary hardware solution so unfortunately I am restricted to using this low power setup... Is it too much for my hardware though?

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#4853 Post by Dewbie »

Hard telling...you'll just need to test it. :)
But don't expect it to be a speed demon. :lol:

Before installing, use the puppy pfix=ram boot option.
Go to Menu / System / GParted partition manager and make a Linux-swap partition, about 415-420MB.

This works like the pagefile.sys in Windows; it somewhat compensates for the lack of RAM by using hard-disk space as makeshift RAM.

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#4854 Post by starhawk »

Hate to post a downvote here -- but on something that low, IMO ClassicPup is probably just too flashy.

That said, I'll give it a test on a similarly specced box I picked up at the dump recently -- a K6-II 500MHz box that was in the wrong place. (Should've been in the eWaste bin, and if it had been there, I wouldn't have been able to bring it home.)

I can tell you it's barely functional on a Pentium II 300MHz laptop with 128MB RAM. Too many "special effects" aka flashy stuff. All those things that make it look really nice... yeah, that stuff tends to drag it down fast.

What do I recommend: look for a thread in this subforum (Puppy Projects) titled "pUPnGO 2012 Plus Extras" -- try the 1st link in the 2nd post (pUPnGO2012, Xorg, FreeOffice), first.

If FreeOffice is too much, the next link down (same post, 2nd link) replaces that suite with just a word-processor.

If that 2nd attempt still is boggy slow, try the 2nd link in the 4th post (headed "Browsing related"). If even that fails... well, you're going to have a real hard time with things. You can go for the regular pUPnGO2012 (don't bother with the original pUPnGO, it's so small that it's impractical except as a base for additions), in a thread called, oddly enough, "pUPnGO 2012". But it's not terribly useful unless your internet comes through wires, and you don't mind a really stripped-down setup.

FWIW, I'll see how the pUPnGO FreeOffice model runs on this box of mine as well, and I'll report back about both, in a little while. (May have to download a new version of ClassicPup for this -- most recent I have is top10, and I'm not sure that's the newest.)

EDIT: d'oh! I have the latest, after all. Shows how much I use this one... ;) I'll be back in a while.

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#4855 Post by starhawk »

Tested pUPnGO2012 first -- surprisingly enough, it wouldn't boot. Must be made with i686 packages instead of i486 packages.

As the chips we're both dealing with are 586-based, and therefore i686 packages are too new to work... nevermind my first post. This may be something of a challenge!

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#4856 Post by 2000kevin2000 »

Ah, that's too bad! Well thank you both for your advice anyway. I suppose I would have ran into the i686 wall sooner or later trying out some of these distros. I might throw this on a P4 machine though (aka the most reliable machine i've ever owned, and it was free!)

Anyway the i686 issue is why I was also looking at older Puppy projects like the one made for 486's running 64MB RAM. I also have a set of old Slackware floppies ready though if need be :lol:

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#4857 Post by starhawk »

Don't give up yet! ClassicPup 2.14x-top10 does in fact work. I have to say I'm quite surprised.

That said, rather than running... it operates at something of a slow walk. On a 500MHz CPU similar to (but rather faster than) yours, 2000kevin2000, with the same amount of RAM (192mb) -- Classic Pup is dead-dog slow. Geany takes an eternity to open. (Probably close to a full minute.) I didn't bother with trying to connect to the 'Net -- there's just no way this would handle it.

Mind you that's running from CD with no savefile and no swap. For your system, I'd recommend a swap partition of about 320-512mb. Less, and you won't have enough memory. More, and you'll likely bog down the CPU -- which, after all, has to do the transfers between swap and RAM!

As it is, you're likely going to have to download from YouTube before you watch, IF you can watch at all! (This is delving into a level of performance that I haven't touched in a long time, so I can't speak to Flash playback at all.)

Just curious: what is it about your Pentium MMX box that keeps you from upgrading to something made at least in this century? I mean, I've a 1999 Dell laptop (the Pentium II laptop I mentioned before) -- but that's just for me to play around with. It's a tinker box. Sounds to me like you genuinely need this old heap of yours for something... I'd be quite interested to know what that something is ;)

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#4858 Post by Dewbie »

Here's yet another idea for low-spec machines.
(Latest apps and browsers probably won't work with these. :| )

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#4859 Post by 2000kevin2000 »

It's one of these - it's really tiny and is loaded with serial ports and PCMCIA slots. I got it for the price of one USB-RS232 adapters, plus I need something to use with very old software/proprietary hardware that can't be run in a VM since it needs to interface directly with the hardware!

I do have better computers but would like to avoid running Win95/98 if possible on this thing...

http://digital.hmx.net/02contents/pc/i3 ... p40j.shtml

(Also it's 96MB total, not 196)

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#4860 Post by starhawk »

What is the "very old software/proprietary hardware" that you're looking to run? There is NO WAY you'll get Wine on this thing -- even DOSBox may be problematic -- there just aren't enough brain cells in it for that. So if you're trying to use a DOS or Win3.x floppy based program on this... I just don't see that working out well.

You know that you can get RS-232 and LPT Cardbus adapters, right? Honestly... given the choice (keep in mind I love messing around with old stuff) I'd pick the adapters first.

All of that said, I'd still like to know, very specifically... what are you wanting to do? (See first sentence of this post.) If you tell us, we can probably help.

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#4861 Post by greengeek »

2000kevin2000 wrote:Anyway the i686 issue is why I was also looking at older Puppy projects like the one made for 486's running 64MB RAM. I also have a set of old Slackware floppies ready though if need be :lol:
If you have time to trial a few puppies you might be interested in these links:
http://www.puppylinux.ca/vintage/
and
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65544

Also, ttuuxxx has other offerings - I'd suggest trying "Fire Hydrant". It definitely runs in 64MB. It'd be v_e_r_y slow, but it might be worth seeing if it eventually boots ok, and that might provide some pointers to whats suitable and whats not.

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#4862 Post by 2000kevin2000 »

starhawk wrote:What is the "very old software/proprietary hardware" that you're looking to run? There is NO WAY you'll get Wine on this thing -- even DOSBox may be problematic -- there just aren't enough brain cells in it for that. So if you're trying to use a DOS or Win3.x floppy based program on this... I just don't see that working out well.

You know that you can get RS-232 and LPT Cardbus adapters, right? Honestly... given the choice (keep in mind I love messing around with old stuff) I'd pick the adapters first.

All of that said, I'd still like to know, very specifically... what are you wanting to do? (See first sentence of this post.) If you tell us, we can probably help.
I unfortunately need to be able to control a very old and specialized EPROM programmer for certain chips no modern programmer seems to be able to handle. I own several modern programmers but not one of them is able to properly write to these old chips I have, and my only other option would be to dig up a machine with an ISA port and then I have to be lucky enough to even find a matching ISA card...

I'm hoping I can do everything I need to in Linux (don't see why I can't) but if it comes down to it I can always install a Win3.1/95 partition and keep linux on for when I actually want to use it :lol: .

What's even weirder is i I got hired to repair some company's old video processor unit where the only video output you can use for diagnostics is something with another proprietary interface. But guess what the only card they have to test it with is.... Zoomed Video. *shoots self in head*

By the way thanks for letting me know about those old Puppy builds. Looking forward to trying out 0.4 and 1.0.3 on this old thing.

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#4863 Post by starhawk »

How friendly are you with a soldering iron? Look at this.

Schematic diagram (not the best I've seen) here.

If you don't have the skills to build it, I can -- but I've no EPROMs to test with. The only part I can't afford is the shipping, which would be $6.00 in the US, and $15.00 outside of the US (all currencies in this post are in US Dollars!).

Mouser Electronics stocks most of the parts. 74HC164 ICs are $0.37 each, and the 74HC299 is $0.82. I can throw that together with a parallel port dongle (connector $2.29 at Radio Shack; I've got plenty of ribbon cables I can slice up) and some wire and perfboard (perf $3.49 at Radio Shack; I've got the wire). Mouser will charge me $4.95 for shipping, because they're silly like that. Total cost $12.29 + shipping to you.

If that programmer can work for you, let me know, and I'll do it. I'll have $30 that I can spend by the end of tomorrow.

BTW, if you're familiar with the blog site HackaDay, that's where I heard of this. It's DEFINITELY not mine! (@Flash: not about people making computers do bad things -- just people making devices do nifty things that they're not originally designed for.)

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#4864 Post by 2000kevin2000 »

starhawk wrote:How friendly are you with a soldering iron? Look at this.

Schematic diagram (not the best I've seen) here.

If you don't have the skills to build it, I can -- but I've no EPROMs to test with. The only part I can't afford is the shipping, which would be $6.00 in the US, and $15.00 outside of the US (all currencies in this post are in US Dollars!).

Mouser Electronics stocks most of the parts. 74HC164 ICs are $0.37 each, and the 74HC299 is $0.82. I can throw that together with a parallel port dongle (connector $2.29 at Radio Shack; I've got plenty of ribbon cables I can slice up) and some wire and perfboard (perf $3.49 at Radio Shack; I've got the wire). Mouser will charge me $4.95 for shipping, because they're silly like that. Total cost $12.29 + shipping to you.

If that programmer can work for you, let me know, and I'll do it. I'll have $30 that I can spend by the end of tomorrow.

BTW, if you're familiar with the blog site HackaDay, that's where I heard of this. It's DEFINITELY not mine! (@Flash: not about people making computers do bad things -- just people making devices do nifty things that they're not originally designed for.)
I will have to do some more research on this design! I am not bad with a soldering iron but my main problem is I'm trying to program chips that are so long out of production and lost in obscurity. Working with ancient arcade boards can be a real headache, especially when all documentation of many boards are lost and gone forever!

I don't frequent hackaday much anymore but maybe I should... If this cheap EPROM solution can program my weird old chips I'd be amazed :shock:

I don't know if I mentioned but I have a Willem GQ-4X which is really wonderful for about everything but ancient undocumented chips :lol:

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#4865 Post by starhawk »

Geez that thing's expensive.

Somehow I forgot that the chip would need an IC socket :oops: make that cost estimate $12.53 for the addition of a $0.24 28pin DIP socket. (Sorry, ZIF DIP sockets are nutso expensive at Mouser -- like $15+ !!)

EDIT: Kevin, I owe you an apology -- give pUPnGO 2012 (start with the textmaker one, don't bother with the freeoffice one) a chance -- I seem to have had a bad download on that one. Was using it to test out a really old monitor today, and it gave me the same bellyache that it did when I ran it before, trying to help you. (This is on much newer hardware!)

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