Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series

[jockjunior]

Thanks Ttuuxxx,
will try downloading again

jock

[crsrds]

Hello Forum,
I am using 214X-RC5 ( I think it rocks:) TY Tuxxx and friends) with Putty 0.60 pet to connect to a SCO unix Server. It works well but I have a one problem. The window size is a function of the font size. SCO works with 80 Cols, 24 Rows. So if I need a larger screen, I choose a larger font. That too is fine. Unfortunately, the largest server side font I can get is 15 or 16. I get a small screen (60%) When I use any client side larger font, the output gets LLQQ in place of line drawing characters. I tried Unicode/Poormans/Disable LLQQ options, but there is no way I can get the client side fonts to work well. Whereas if I choose any of the server side fonts, the display is perfect, but the largest server side font is 16. By the way the server side fonts are NOT supplied by the server. The server has larger fonts, even up to 24 size. But putty has its own set of server size fonts which work well. The server alias fonts do not work well either.
Now to the help I need, Is it possible to somehow install a larger size font (18/20/22) which comes in the server side fonts family in putty. Can someone help me in overcoming this problem which is giving me quite a few sleepless nights.

[ttuuxxx]

Hello Forum,
I am using 214X-RC5 ( I think it rocks:) TY Tuxxx and friends) with Putty 0.60 pet to connect to a SCO unix Server. It works well but I have a one problem. The window size is a function of the font size. SCO works with 80 Cols, 24 Rows. So if I need a larger screen, I choose a larger font. That too is fine. Unfortunately, the largest server side font I can get is 15 or 16. I get a small screen (60%) When I use any client side larger font, the output gets LLQQ in place of line drawing characters. I tried Unicode/Poormans/Disable LLQQ options, but there is no way I can get the client side fonts to work well. Whereas if I choose any of the server side fonts, the display is perfect, but the largest server side font is 16. By the way the server side fonts are NOT supplied by the server. The server has larger fonts, even up to 24 size. But putty has its own set of server size fonts which work well. The server alias fonts do not work well either.
Now to the help I need, Is it possible to somehow install a larger size font (18/20/22) which comes in the server side fonts family in putty. Can someone help me in overcoming this problem which is giving me quite a few sleepless nights.

Hi I compiled putty and changed the fonts to the largest 24 and made 2 menu listings under network, one for putty terminal and one for settings, hope that helps.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Hi sink maybe you should forget about google chrome on 2.14X, lol I was going to compile it, buttttttttttttttttt the sources are 750MB compressed and the working directory is 10GB, That is just crazy for any app, its 10 times larger than Seamonkey and that takes about 2hrs to compile.
Here's the 750MB sources http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/arch ... rball.html
ttuuxxx

[crsrds]

Dear ttuuxxx,
I downloaded and installed the pet. As I feel it on 214X , it is very elaborate and more than anyone with a fonts problem could ask for. The pterm adds the icing. I will be able to test drive it only on Monday because SCO is at office.
Please accept my deep sense of gratitude. I wonder how much time and effort it takes, but you sure have another admirer. Thank you and will give you the feed back soon.
Best Regards,
crsrds.

[heywoodj]

I'm D/Ling RC5 now. What kind of chance of this working on this:

Dell Latitude LT: 266 MHz MMX, maxed at 64 MB RAM, 6GB HDD, with external CD, no floppy, and a BIOS that won't allow USB boot.

I've tried various Live-CDs from 4.3 down to 3.01(2.6.18 something kernel). They all hang up at
"Searching for Puppy files in computer drives... pup_xxx.sfs not found. Dropping out to initial-ramdisk console.../bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"

I believe the bottleneck is the amount of RAM. Any tricks to making a swap partition without a complete boot? I'm considering pulling the HDD and repartitioning in a different machine. The lack of a floppy makes things difficult and the CD drive is flaky. Maybe a minimal system on CD with partition tools?

I've tried with acpi=off and pfix=ram with no difference from before. loglevel=7 gives a lot of info but nothing alarming to my eyes. (question: how would you save the output?)

It would be great to get Puppy running on this ancient machine. I've been chuckling at people calling their 1 GHz+ and 512 MB machines "Old".

Heck, my main machine is a 366 MHz 192 MB laptop that works great withTurbo Extreme. I'd just like to get something similar for the Dell, now crawling along with Win2K.

I'm sorry for not reading the complete 247 page thread, if some of this has been covered already.

Thanks.

[sinc]

thank you sir for looking into it. i agree that doesn't seem worth it. unless I use my mwife's main computer I don't even have 10 gigs to play around with on this one.

thanks ttuuxxx for all you do for this community.

[omskates]

I believe the bottleneck is the amount of RAM. Any tricks to making a swap partition without a complete boot? I'm considering pulling the HDD and repartitioning in a different machine. .

Partitioning the HDD in a different machine would indeed be your easiest step to possibly solving this. You would be able to make a Linux swap partition for puppy to load into beyond the 64mb RAM. I believe there are other options but I'll leave that to the "more knowledgeable than I" members.

[zenfunk]

I used a copy of Deli Linux (google around for the iso). It boots to a command prompt without using a swap partition. From there you can run cfdisk to partition your drive.

HTH, Christian

[crsrds]

Dear Tux,
We tested the Putty 6.0-i368 today on 214X and the server being SCO openserver 6.0. Functioned well in SSH, Rlogin and Telnet. The Pterm worked without any problem taking it's settings from the default settings in Putty Settings.
Regarding the Fonts, we have been able to find a working solution with fixed (misc) medium 20. There are as i said two classes of fonts. All the Fixed (misc) and Fixed (sony) fonts work well with the server. The rest do not. I do not know why. Unfortunately, the larger size fonts you provided are in the 'not working well category'.
If I am not asking for too much, is it possible, at your convenience, to add 16/18/20/22/24 in fixed (sony) and fixed (misc) with options for regular/medium/bold condensed/semicondenced etc. This will really fix my problem. Is there anything I am doing wrong in the settings? Kindly advice. Thanking you, crsrds.

[yorkiesnorkie]

I'm D/Ling RC5 now. What kind of chance of this working on this:

Dell Latitude LT: 266 MHz MMX, maxed at 64 MB RAM, 6GB HDD, with external CD, no floppy, and a BIOS that won't allow USB boot.

Thanks.

Reasonably good, I've got 96 mb of ram. What I do is boot from the live cd, and use gparted to create an ext2 partition and linux-swap space. That means re-sizing your fat32 partition down some. make sure you back up files first. The following applies to a PC with a FAT32 partition for windows already on it. If you've got NTFS you'll need to do more research here and don't follow these directions.

I do recommend the frugal install to the ext2 partition. Your swap will be 128 mb, and the ext2 will need to accomodate both grub, the frugal install and your pup save files. I'd recommend at least 1gb for that. So you'll need to reduce your fat32 by that much before you can use the free space, then make the ext2 partition and finally the linux-swap. If your setup is like mine you can dual boot windows or linux pretty easily. Gparted is pretty easy to use.

Run the installer(s), from the menu, to install puppy and Grub. With regard to grub it's going to dev/hda2. I go with the defaults and use the MBR. Grub will install an entry for windows automatically if you've got that installed.

With regard to grub which has to be installed to the ext2 partition after it is installed check the menu.list file to see what is in it. I use this to boot:

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#Start of 214x 
title = Puppy 214x (frugal) on hda2 
rootnoverify (hd0,1) 
kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 pmedia=idehd 
initrd (hd0,1)/initrd.gz 
#End of 214x

I had a few issues with the default grub entry but arrived at this and it works. "hd0,0" is "c", "hd0,1" is the ext2 partition (also known as hda2).

Y.

[mrreality13]

Hi Gang,
hope every ones well.i just wanted to pop in and say thanx to ttuuxxx and evey one else helping to keep this pup alive.I never looked at a classic pup before this recomendation from looseSCREWorTWO

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http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=57810

And now for older HW i will never look at another puppy no matter how cute and cuddley it looks
only 2 lil things
1) i installed opera 9.6 static runs awsome -way better than any other browser imo on my older HW
2)I wish i could get vlc to work in 214x-rc5(hint hint nudge nudge)
Ive tried sevral of the 0.86 ones floatin around and always get a ton of 'your missing this lib and that lib"
guess im just spoiled from the newer pups ive play'd with,Ive relised vid's will never work on this old lappy but want vlc as it still lets me use shoutcast streams.

Ill do some more reading and searching here to try to solve my vlc issue before i come yelping for help.Hell thats fun ,in and of its self sometimes ,,becidesif i break it too bad it only takes 15 mins for a fresh FULL install.

The niceness and helpfulness here always impresses me

[rjbrewer]

Hi Gang,
hope every ones well.i just wanted to pop in and say thanx to ttuuxxx and evey one else helping to keep this pup alive.I never looked at a classic pup before this recomendation from looseSCREWorTWO

Code: Select all

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=57810

And now for older HW i will never look at another puppy no matter how cute and cuddley it looks
only 2 lil things
1) i installed opera 9.6 static runs awsome -way better than any other browser imo on my older HW
2)I wish i could get vlc to work in 214x-rc5(hint hint nudge nudge)
Ive tried sevral of the 0.86 ones floatin around and always get a ton of 'your missing this lib and that lib"
guess im just spoiled from the newer pups ive play'd with,Ive relised vid's will never work on this old lappy but want vlc as it still lets me use shoutcast streams.

Ill do some more reading and searching here to try to solve my vlc issue before i come yelping for help.Hell thats fun ,in and of its self sometimes ,,becidesif i break it too bad it only takes 15 mins for a fresh FULL install.

The niceness and helpfulness here always impresses me

I use full installs exclusively;

If I break something I run the full install from the live cd and choose the
"upgrade" option. No need to make or delete a partition or reinstall
Grub.

One of my installs is Jemimahs' "Fluppy".
I used her "Puppy Remaster" to make a bootable cd clone of the
full install that's the same size as the original live cd ( the ultimate
backup).
She based the remaster app. on "Dougals remaster script", which
may possibly work on 214x.

Her "Fluppy" is the only new kernel version that lets me use Vlc 0.8.6
Lite (my favorite for all video and audio).

[ttuuxxx]

2)I wish i could get vlc to work in 214x-rc5(hint hint nudge nudge)
Ive tried sevral of the 0.86 ones floatin around and always get a ton of 'your missing this lib and that lib"
guess im just spoiled from the newer pups ive play'd with,Ive relised vid's will never work on this old lappy but want vlc as it still lets me use shoutcast streams.

Hi 2.14X has Streamtuner which plays shoutcast, also I had the VLCl lite working before on 2.14X, I'll package it up this weekend for you.
ttuuxxx

[crsrds]

Hi,
I was trying to set up a printer (HP deskjet d1460) and had some difficulty. Went thru the puppy forums and installed CUPS 1.3.11. It installed well and when I opened CUPS which got a menu entry now under System, clicked Administration/Find a printer, it automatically detected the printer and installed it. Yes, I did download the HPLS and install it too.
I restarted and have no problem with 214. The question I have is: Is there any downside to using CUPS 1.3.11 or any know issues with it? Why do we use an older version of CUPS? Pl throw some light on it.
Thanks in advance.

[DaveS]

Is this now the longest forum thread?

[heywoodj]

What I do is boot from the live cd...

If only it were that simple.
Having now tried 2.14X, I can report that it fails to completely boot, just like all the other versions. I have now a swap partition via Deli Linux (Thanks, zenfunk), and things seem to be booting okay, "Loading kernel modules,... Looking for Puppy in hda1...Looking (further) for pup_save.2fs ..." .

All of a sudden it fails with:

" ERROR, cannot find Puppy on 'idecd' boot media.
PUPMODE=1 PDEV1=
Exited to initial-ramdisk (/dev/ram0) commandline...
(the linux-guru can now debug, 'e3' editor is available)

/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off"

Did I get a bad burn on the CD, or what is going on?

[James C]

Is this now the longest forum thread?

Believe so................

[ttuuxxx]

Is this now the longest forum thread?

Yes Dave it is, Pwidgets was the leader and 2.14X toppled it and stole the title as largest thread, Pwidgets stands at 193 pages, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35601
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Hi,
I was trying to set up a printer (HP deskjet d1460) and had some difficulty. Went thru the puppy forums and installed CUPS 1.3.11. It installed well and when I opened CUPS which got a menu entry now under System, clicked Administration/Find a printer, it automatically detected the printer and installed it. Yes, I did download the HPLS and install it too.
I restarted and have no problem with 214. The question I have is: Is there any downside to using CUPS 1.3.11 or any know issues with it? Why do we use an older version of CUPS? Pl throw some light on it.
Thanks in advance.

Hi
Cups is basically a gui or frontend to printing software. It uses ghostscript as the backend most of the time. I'm using a earlier version of cups because the later version had improved security that crippled printing on puppy, basically the newer packages you'll find on the forum have large security holes in it so that it executes properly. I would rather have better security. really most people would only need some newer updated drivers, I don't include them , because it would increase the base distro size, hmmmm I should compile the latest ghostscript.
ttuuxxx