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What is the best Puppy Version ever, LOL
2.14x
20%
 20%  [ 6 ]
2.14x
13%
 13%  [ 4 ]
2.14x
30%
 30%  [ 9 ]
Other: 2.14x only
36%
 36%  [ 11 ]
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MinHundHettePerro


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PostPosted: Sun 11 Oct 2009, 18:58    Post subject:  
Just a short test-run before crashing-out-time, running smoothly, so far ... Smile

cheers/
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sinc


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PostPosted: Sun 11 Oct 2009, 22:08    Post subject:  
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hey dave its a gtk app can you quickly post the exec? its probably in /usr/bin


its in /usr/sbin
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OlddogNewtricks

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 03:55    Post subject:  
Hi ttuuxxx,

Full install worked perfect.

Refresh Menu needs to be clicked to show CD/DVD Ripping/Tools icon.

MHHP's fix needed for the keyboard wizard (Advanced Xorg button). i.e. /usr/local/apps/XkbConfigurationManager/XkbLayoutConfig line 35 change to:

if [ "$CHANGE" = "" ];then # MHHP

this puts back the change/add layout option.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 05:14    Post subject:  
well guys so far I'm impressed, just a few minor bugs reported so far, really nothing all that bad, which is good, I bet I just talked too soon Wink
I'll give it to the weekend and then make a RC release, well if not any surprises happen meanwhile Wink I'm looking forward to 2.20 and also helping out with dpup if its needed, gposil is pretty handy with linux.
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davesurrey

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 11:30    Post subject:  
Just had a quick look at version 214X15:

Well this is definitely a big improvement and I agree it's got to be close to an RC release. Just a few points:

1. ttuuxxx you still need to add the symlink to enable printing to a remotely connected windows PC.

Code:
  ln -s /opt/samba/bin/smbspool  /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb


please see http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553&start=2141

2. I agree the simple script in /root/Startup is fine for launching the cups daemon after bootup. I did similar myself earlier on but then I saw what BK had done in 430 and assumed there was more to it than I understood. Apparently not. I am all for keeping it simple.

3. I have 7 sfs files running together at the moment, but I noticed that there is a max of 5 unless I add
Code:
max_loop=20
to the kernel line of my grub stanza.

Could clarf or yourself let me know what's the prefered and max numbers I can type here.

It might be helpful to add this info to the Welcome page for new-comers and those who haven't read all 147 pages (and rising) of this thread. Smile

4. I noticed you haven't put in mrxvt which you mentioned recently. It is nice to have as it has the tabs. But I can just add it with the pet and adjust the menu/launch settings to make it over-ride rxvt.

5. OlddogNewtricks suggests adding MHHP's keyboard mod

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MHHP's fix needed for the keyboard wizard (Advanced Xorg button). i.e. /usr/local/apps/XkbConfigurationManager/XkbLayoutConfig line 35 change to:

if [ "$CHANGE" = "" ];then # MHHP

this puts back the change/add layout option.
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Well I tried it and managed to get the 30 second delay on boot again (using UK and CA keyboards), which I believe was the reason that you didn't include it. However it is a nice feature for those who need dual or multi-language keyboards and I did get it working with UK and FR keybds.

So perhaps a Pet could be a compromise if you don't feel like including it as standard???

6. As I said before I really like your SuperSwitcher. A very useful feature. However if it's necessary to kill an app then the superswitcher is no more and a restart of the xserver is necessary to start it back again.

Unfortunatley I have had to kill several apps in 214X so it's not something that will hardly ever happen. Any chance having a look at that or is it a fundamental issue??

7. Many thanks for pdf printing in pdfviewer. Works great.

8. ttuuxxx I am very grateful that you added the timer-Gstpw. It is neat and will come in useful. Unfortunately I was asking for a Count-down timer. ie one that will let me set it for say 30 minutes and then tell me when that is reached. Good for auctions, deadlines, cooking etc. etc.
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8. Not sure why Timer got removed but I often use a Count-down app. Any chance of adding something else?


It doesn't seem that Gstpw will do that. I did have a look on the web just now and so far all the supposedly linux count-down timers seem to be for Windows!! I'm amazed that something so useful and simple seems to be unavailable. Such is the internet.

9. I'll write a separate note on Partview as it seems there might be some confusion there.

So, 214x15 is without doubt the best so far and as I say I guess it's about time for an RC.

Thanks as ever
Dave

EDIT:
Yes I've got the same closing Background Setter as clarf.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 12:26    Post subject:  
I do editing as part of my business and would be happy to take inputs on procedure from those that have done tweaks or have procedures to do certain things and compile / edit them.

I'm having a hugely hard time finding time to do initial writing but I'll be happy to edit inputs if it will help.

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davesurrey

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 13:21    Post subject: partview  
Earlier on I mentioned Barry's Partview in his Pup4.3.1rc .
Please see http://puppylinux.com/blog/?page=3 3rd item.

It seems to be different, giving different info, from the partview that was in 214X up until version12? and which ttuuxxx has just replaced with ttuuxxxview.

I hope the pics below explain this and clarify the one that I would be very keen to be included in 214X. ie the Barry one.

HTH
Dave
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davesurrey

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 13:33    Post subject:  
Aitch wrote:
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If it works, Dave, please post it to the Printer/Cups threads....people are still crying out for this


Well the "secret" of adding a symlink and then using a simple startup script for Cups, if it doesn't auto-start, is actually included on the first page of rcrsn51's thread in the Printer section.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=763942152&t=29208

As ever it's merely a question of finding it amongst the other 346823 articles!!!!!

HTH
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OlddogNewtricks

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 13:53    Post subject:  
davesurrey wrote:


5. OlddogNewtricks suggests adding MHHP's keyboard mod

Quote:

MHHP's fix needed for the keyboard wizard (Advanced Xorg button). i.e. /usr/local/apps/XkbConfigurationManager/XkbLayoutConfig line 35 change to:

if [ "$CHANGE" = "" ];then # MHHP

this puts back the change/add layout option.
.
Well I tried it and managed to get the 30 second delay on boot again (using UK and CA keyboards), which I believe was the reason that you didn't include it. However it is a nice feature for those who need dual or multi-language keyboards and I did get it working with UK and FR keybds.

So perhaps a Pet could be a compromise if you don't feel like including it as standard???



Hi dave. the 30 second boot delay was caused by no gb.gz in /lib/keymaps which ttuuxxx has now fixed & seems fine to me.

MHHP's fix for the Advanced Xorg button, replaces the option to either change your default keyboard layout from US to something else or add another to it. Without it you can only add another layout so you end up with a tray icon with which you can switch between layouts, but will always default to US. This is how it is in the original keyboard setter.
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OlddogNewtricks

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 14:48    Post subject:  
davesurrey wrote:


6. As I said before I really like your SuperSwitcher. A very useful feature. However if it's necessary to kill an app then the superswitcher is no more and a restart of the xserver is necessary to start it back again.

Unfortunatley I have had to kill several apps in 214X so it's not something that will hardly ever happen. Any chance having a look at that or is it a fundamental issue??



Yes, superswitcher dies if you kill something from the taskbar or the window menu bar(both bring up that irritating confirm window), but not if you use KP from the menu. It can be restarted by clicking on superswitcher in /root/startup, no X restart needed
Plus one of the small windows must be clicked on first-time-use to activate it. If you use keyboard arrows first it will crash & need restarting.
Handy once you've learnt its faults.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 14:50    Post subject:  
OlddogNewtricks
Thanks for that explanation. However, with a great amount of respect, I am probably a little more confused now.

1. Just to be clear, I got the 30 sec delay with the latest version ie 214X15, which as you say has ttuuxxx's gb.gz in /lib/keymaps.

I confirm I have it working okay with UK and French keyboards. It was when I tested it using UK and BE and CA that it went bad with a delay. I guess there will be other combinations which may have missing files where it goes wrong. My concern is not so much for me (I'm happy with it) but for others who need other keyboards.

2.
Quote:
MHHP's fix for the Advanced Xorg button, replaces the option to either change your default keyboard layout from US to something else or add another to it.


Not nit picking but either I don't understand this or do you mean...

Quote:
MHHP's fix for the Advanced Xorg button, gives the option to either change your default keyboard layout from US to something else or add another to it


Please don't misunderstand me...I think MHHP's mod is an elegant piece of work and a very useful fetaure. It's just that with the current state of the keyboard files there is the possibility of a boot delay, which new-comers may not understand/appreciate.

Best regards and cheers
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 14:53    Post subject:  
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It can be restarted by clicking on superswitcher in /root/startup, no X restart needed

Yes, a much better way. Thanks for that.
Dave
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 15:40    Post subject:  
Hello again Dave,

point 1
Got you now, missing keymaps &/or symlinks in /lib/keymaps for other layouts causing the 30 second delay. I believe MHHP posted about this but got no response.

point 2 see pic
The original keyboard wizard comes with this change/add option, MHHP's tinkering lost it, his fix puts it back again
Hope this makes it clear.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 15:43    Post subject:  
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The original keyboard wizard comes with this change/add option, MHHP's tinkering lost it, his fix puts it back again
Hope this makes it clear.

Ah, didn't know that. Now I understand. Appreciate it, as ever. Smile
Cheers
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MinHundHettePerro


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PostPosted: Mon 12 Oct 2009, 17:58    Post subject:  
Hello Very Happy !

Many posts on the MHHP pup214X_keybd_setter_impr[_fix].pet recently.
As I said here, there's more to it than I took into consideration in my first lame attempt pup214X_keybd_setter_impr.pet Shocked Smile Razz . Having, since then, read the scripts in question through, and through again, I have concluded that it would be best to revert back to the way way it was before.

For the ones of us using a layout supported by stating the pkeys parameter upon booting up: joy Smile.
(/lib/keymaps, or /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/*/*.map (if the latter .map is correct, that is).)

I must, presently, advocate that the keyboard-setter scripts are reverted back to the way they were before my, at the time, uninformed thrust at a half-solution Rolling Eyes . As I said, in the above cited post, it can be made to work (flawlessy?), though, with some initiated script-fixing.

fwiw Razz Smile Very Happy /
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