Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series

[ttuuxxx]

Well Guys I'm going to put it together now, should be only a couple of hours before I upload it, I'll test it first and maybe have some dinner ,lol
I think we'll still be just under the 100MB which is good , I'm tempted to add gimp, but hey I won't, I should make a small version of gimp up, maybe call it "Shrimp" lol most of gimps size after all the doc and locals are removed is plugins, really 90% of the plugins and only a few are really worth keeping, I think theres over 200 plugin in gimp, thats why the slow startup, it has to load each plugin.
anyways off topic again
ttuuxxx

[mawebb88]

Thought I would give this a wirl but unfortunately there are no network interfaces detected:

In 412 the interfaces are eth0 (module=ATL1e) and rt0 (module=rt2860). Any chance of these in 214x?

Rgds Mike

Nb my menu.lst entry for the record (took some time for me to get it)

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title Puppy214x1
	rootnoverify (hd1,0)
	kernel /puppy214x1/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 pmedia=idehd pdev1=hdd1 pupmode=12 SFSFILE=ext3,hdd1,/puppy214x1/pup_214R.sfs ZDRV=ext3,hdd1,/puppy214x1/zdrv_214R.sfs PUPSAVE=ext3,hdd1,/puppy214x1/pup_save.2fs
	initrd /puppy214x1/initrd.gz

[mikeb]

So this is where where you have been hiding .
Ok to business.
glibc 2.3.6 Tls version works great and gives support to the newer wine releases and some other apps. I have actually sneaked in glibc2.4 and 2.5 and puppy 2.12 was still running ok.

Seamonkey and flash 9 ..yes it crashes...but what is your secret fix!!!.
Otherwise firefox 1.5 (or firepup) and flash 9 becomes stable (puppy 2.12 again) if the open/save file dialog is forced to the built in one. Firefox 2 has a setting for this and can take simplemail extension which is really good now so giving an alternative to the seamonkey suite.(oh and there is a html editor extension too)

I use vlc (slackware 0.8.6c) on it and never had fullscreen problems though I switched to xfce 4.2 early on which is small and stable. Your vlc will work if the newer avcodec libs are used from puppy 4 and the wxwidgets plugin from the vlc pup...indeed pik n mix seems to work with this app.

qt3 is no problem and I found a qt4 set that work ok also..eg avidemux 2.4 running on puppy 2.12 ok.

Puppy 2.16 has aufs available (same kernel)...one update that may be worthwhile.
The newer xorgwizard needs dccprobe for better detection ...had to grab this from 4.xx.
I use a 1.1.23 cups from an old pup...never had a problem with it but I recently updated just the gutenprint and works a treat.

Ok there's probably more but tis late

regards

mike

[ttuuxxx]

So this is where where you have been hiding .

Ok there's probably more but tis late

regards

mike

Thanks mike I was wondering when you were going to join in with festivities I'm holding back on the next release a bit, I managed to stop it from crashing, but it still has the utf8 issues, strange that it doesn't crash. lol So I'm trying to get utf8 working properly first, I'll spend a bit of time on it and see what happens
ttuuxxx

[mikeb]

Yeah have noticed that utf-8 complaint but doesn't seem to relate to stability.

mike

ps where's my party hat?

[ttuuxxx]

Yeah have noticed that utf-8 complaint but doesn't seem to relate to stability.

mike

ps where's my party hat?

if you have the second version with the flash issues, start seamonkey up with the command promt, just type
seamonkey
and then go to
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfile ... _id=199892
and click the link to download to download gtkhash sources, its small.
and your seamonkey browser should crash, now look at the report in the prompt, it should be all utf8 not set with flash, etc error.
if you remove flash from the system it won't crash.
you wouldn't have utf8 in english compiled on the older glibc laying around anywhere would you? ,lol I just tried compiling glibc 2.8 and 2.9 so I could remove the utf8, but no it compiled, but didn't bother making all the utf8 files, not even one English version, 15 other languages, lol
ttuuxxx

[mikeb]

Ok no crash with my firefox /flash 9 on 2.12 setup so will play with seamonkey on my image file setup tomorrow..it's silly o'clock!!

regards

mike

[OlddogNewtricks]

Puppy versions 2.13 to 2.17 need glibc updated to at least 2.4 to stop flashplayer from crashing the browser. We now have glibc-2.5 (puppy 3 package) & glibc-2.6.1-1 (puppy 4 package).
So I replaced flashplayer.so with the latest (10.0.22.87), installed glibc-2.5.pet , went to disney.com, works fine.
also went to bbc.co.uk to try out full screen flash, again works fine. You probably know most of this ttuuxxx but it might help somebody.

Personal niggles.
In rox options-tools/minibuffer there is a check box 'width of toolbar sets minimum width of window'. I think this should be turned on as folders with only a few contents need constantly stretching out to view the toolbar. Also 'automatic size mode' button is not activated.

Sorry ttuuxxx but I don't like your package manager. In most pups I always remove the desktop install icon(petget in your case) & replace it with the real petget. The 'all in one' install/uninstall window lets me add several packages to the list before downloading, & the same for uninstalling it even shows the package size. There is also a button for installing tar.gz packages on the main window.

Very nice updated puppy. Probably right to hold back on your next release with BK planning to upload his 2.18 alpha sometime today.

[tempestuous]

In 412 the interfaces are eth0 (module=ATL1e) and rt0 (module=rt2860). Any chance of these in 214x?

If you can wait for Barry's Puppy218-alpha I will probably compile the various Eee drivers compatible with its new (old) 2.6.18.8 kernel.

[Colonel Panic]

All puppy 2 versions needed glibc updated to at least 2.4 to stop flashplayer from crashing the browser. We now have glibc-2.5 (puppy 3 package) & glibc-2.6.1-1 (puppy 4 package).
So I replaced flashplayer.so with the latest (10.0.22.87), installed glibc-2.5.pet , went to disney.com, works fine.
also went to bbc.co.uk to try out full screen flash, again works fine. You probably know most of this ttuuxxx but it might help somebody.

Personal niggles.
In rox options-tools/minibuffer there is a check box 'width of toolbar sets minimum width of window'. I think this should be turned on as folders with only a few contents need constantly stretching out to view the toolbar. Also 'automatic size mode' button is not activated.

Sorry ttuuxxx but I don't like your package manager. In most pups I always remove the desktop install icon(petget in your case) & replace it with the real petget. The 'all in one' install/uninstall window lets me add several packages to the list before downloading, & the same for uninstalling it even shows the package size. There is also a button for installing tar.gz packages on the main window.

Very nice updated puppy. Probably right to hold back on your next release with BK planning to upload his 2.18 alpha sometime today.

Thanks for the info. I might download the glibc-2.5 pet as I've had trouble with the browser crashing in 2.14 & 2.15.

[ttuuxxx]

Sorry ttuuxxx but I don't like your package manager. In most pups I always remove the desktop install icon(petget in your case) & replace it with the real petget. The 'all in one' install/uninstall window lets me add several packages to the list before downloading, & the same for uninstalling it even shows the package size. There is also a button for installing tar.gz packages on the main window.

Very nice updated puppy. Probably right to hold back on your next release with BK planning to upload his 2.18 alpha sometime today.

The updated package manager I made up was due to the old error message that 2 series had, where it didn't have room to expand the package and clean up the mess in .packages, so thats why I took the 4 series package manager and gave it a make over
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Ok guys I've also been working on a open office package for series 2, its based on 2.0.3, the original size was 121MB compressed, and then I started reducing it, my first attempt is 102MB
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... -2.0.3.pet
My second attempt was 79MB and it still has the uk/us dictionary's
if you grab the larger one its probably the most featured, by a little, the second one I removed all the dictionary's other than uk/us
I also removed some extra themes I found
I also removed the rest of java applications, This one needs a good testing, what doesn't work I'll delete if you inform what it was and we'll see how small we can make this
The data base application will not work on either due to having java and python removed from both.
I also made a nice direct menu button that you click and it launches a OpenMenu script I put together reusing my menu script from 4 series
looks pretty good and I used the smaller 32x32 icons.
Plus if you want some desktop icons, go to the /usr/share/OpenOffice folder I made, in that folder I already have made up some renamed .desktop files with icons on it, so just drag them to the desktop and thats it, when you click on the, they will open the application.
well hope I have some help with testing this package, really I just want writer to work in the end, maybe around 50MB or less would be cool.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Here's the second one 79MB
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... 0.3-v2.pet

as soon as I get some sort of report back on what doesn't work, I'll start stripping it down.
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Also theres been a lot of talk about Barrys new 2.18, should I continue with 2.14.1X or move on to, 2.18, I think I might try to put glibc2.5 in series 2.14.1X and see what happens ,lol
ttuuxxx

[OlddogNewtricks]

Why not try glibc-2.6.1-1 it's smaller

glibc 2.5.pet 3.7MB
glibc 2.6.1-1.pet 1.1MB

[mikeb]

All puppy 2 versions needed glibc updated to at least 2.4 to stop flashplayer from crashing the browser. We now have glibc-2.5 (puppy 3 package) & glibc-2.6.1-1 (puppy 4 package).

This is misleading.
Puppy 4.xx has/had browser crashing issues with flashplayer and already has the newer glibc. This only affects the installer(not needed). The actual fixes centre around gtk2.
An updated glibc would have benefits for other applications but thats a separate matter.

Hey ttuuxxx...is it still planned to have an updated alsa with this kernel as that would make me and several thousand others jump for joy and reduce asprin intake?

mike

[mikeb]

Oh and just to get up to speed what version of gtk2 are you using ?
By the way XR11R6 more or less drops in and runs...just needs 2 libs copying over...for that truly retro fast feeling (and smaller too!)

mike

[OlddogNewtricks]

mikeb
I refered only to the puppy 2 versions needing the glibc update already installed in pups 3 & 4.

[mikeb]

I refered only to the puppy 2 versions needing the glibc update already installed in pups 3 & 4.

Well tried just this a while ago and did not fix the issue. The solution was gtk2 related. Actually puppy 2.02 behaved and that uses gtk 2.60 rather than 2.80.
Flashplayer 9/10 uses gtk2 , flashplayer 7 uses gtk1....this changeover is when instability came in. I'm guessing they compiled against a later gtk2 than some of the puppies. There is this utf-8 issue with glibc which would be nice to resolve.
At least now we can have a browser/flash combo that behaves. as many sites now demand (not need!) it.
mike

[ttuuxxx]

Oh and just to get up to speed what version of gtk2 are you using ?
By the way XR11R6 more or less drops in and runs...just needs 2 libs copying over...for that truly retro fast feeling (and smaller too!)

mike

I'm using Gtk2 gtk+2.0_2.16.1
Also also wouldn't use the series 4 glibc due to all the glib issues we had in the past with browsers etc, series 3 is the better way to go. Ok I'm going to try it brb with results, lol
ttuuxxx