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#106 Post by tempestuous »

As one of the contributors/developers of Puppy 214R, I thought I would jump in with some information about Flash and XMMS in Puppy2.

On the Developer Blog entry "The return of Puppy2!" -
ttuuxxx wrote:Flash is terrible, The glibC is outdated and I can't update that, or it will cripple the who OS.
The issue of glibc is complex. Some knowledgeable person on the forum recently mentioned that for maximum compatibility and stability in Linux all applications and libraries should be compiled under the same version of glibc. We all knew that this was true of kernel modules, and to a lesser extent; Xorg and GTK2. But everything else?
This was something I had always suspected might be true, and I now believe it. But there's no point getting too fussed about complete glibc compatibility. Puppy already has a mish-mash of utilities carried over from earlier versions. I should know: I contributed the wpa_supplicant application used in the current Puppy 4.2. But it was introduced somewhere in the (Slackware 10-compatible) Puppy 3 series.

So back to Flash. I can't speak for the current version of Flash, but back when I was helping pakt and Dougal build 214R we had a similar warning about glibc ... but this was just an installer script warning.
Personally I hate installer scripts anyway. All we had to do was manually extract the Flash binaries and place them in the correct location. Flash then worked fine.

So glibc compatibility is desirable, but not necessarily essential.
More to the point: some modern applications won't compile under older versions of glibc.
But then many modern applications won't compile under older versions of GTK2.
And if you upgrade glibc, and GTK2, then you might as well upgrade the kernel and Xorg! Then Puppy 2 isn't Puppy 2 any more.
ttuuxxx wrote:Gtk1.2 is still useful for some older apps like Xmms, but it ran buggy on 2.14X so I removed it
There was planned to be an update to Puppy 214R called Minipup216, with a significantly different suite of applications. For this release I compiled XMMS 1.2.11 and pakt tested it quite thoroughly. He didn't find any bugs. It's available as a dotpet here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26528

I should point out that the Xorgwizard in 214R was completely overhauled by Dougal. It's the only version of Puppy which offers the correct resolution of 1280x1024 as the default value for my 17 inch LCD monitor.

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Seamonkey Crashes

#107 Post by mawebb88 »

ttuuxxx wrote:Its the flash or a combo of plugins located in /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/plugins if you move the plugins to another location then restart Seamonkey you should be fine, It could be one of the other plugins. I'll keep working on it, maybe I might have to recompile Seamonkey, since all the changes to the backend.
I'll try that. Might have to disableutf8.
ttuuxxx
@ttuuxxx
I renamed /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/plugins to /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/nbg_plugins and restarted SM and as you predicted sites which crashed SM are now okay. Many thanks
Rgds Mike

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Re: Can we have Pnethood

#108 Post by mawebb88 »

ttuuxxx wrote: before trying pnethood could you try this package I made up, I have no idea what I was doing with it it, but it made sense, lol
Never messed with samba before, so bare with me. lol
ttuuxxx
Tried your Samba PET. Unfortunately after installation of this LinNeiighborhood does not open shares when clicking on a machine.

Rgds Mike

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#109 Post by ttuuxxx »

tempestuous wrote:]

I should point out that the Xorgwizard in 214R was completely overhauled by Dougal. It's the only version of Puppy which offers the correct resolution of 1280x1024 as the default value for my 17 inch LCD monitor.
Hi tempestuous, thats kind of what I was trying to say, but you said it way better:), I think the key ingredients of 2.14R which stand out is the kernel, that was used, and Xorg. Both work excellent together. The gtk2 is already updated in this version, :wink: Really if we had a modern base, eg Dpup or Upup, with 2.14r kernel/Xorg and no other unnecessary addons like Dpup&Upup both enjoy, eg, Extra Gnome libs, Dbus etc. we would have a winning combo on our hands for older computers. Once I'm finished this project. I'm going to rip apart Dpup and recompile all the Debian parts without the extra libs. and bring the size down, and make a regular pup out of it, Dpup does work excellent on my pc, the best pup for speed so far, well on my modern pc.
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Re: Can we have Pnethood

#110 Post by ttuuxxx »

mawebb88 wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote: before trying pnethood could you try this package I made up, I have no idea what I was doing with it it, but it made sense, lol
Never messed with samba before, so bare with me. lol
ttuuxxx
Tried your Samba PET. Unfortunately after installation of this LinNeiighborhood does not open shares when clicking on a machine.

Rgds Mike
ok just uninstall it and try the Pnethood pet I posted, that should work. Thanks for testing the package, I had my fingers cross with that one :)
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http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
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Re: Can we have Pnethood

#111 Post by mawebb88 »

ttuuxxx wrote:
mawebb88 wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote: before trying pnethood could you try this package I made up, I have no idea what I was doing with it it, but it made sense, lol
Never messed with samba before, so bare with me. lol
ttuuxxx
Tried your Samba PET. Unfortunately after installation of this LinNeiighborhood does not open shares when clicking on a machine.

Rgds Mike
ok just uninstall it and try the Pnethood pet I posted, that should work. Thanks for testing the package, I had my fingers cross with that one :)
ttuuxxx
Ok I tried an uninstall of your Samba PET but it did not cure the LinNeighborhood problem (could not expand a machine to shares). No big deal I just emptied my pup_sav file and rebooted to start again. Installed your PNetHood PET and it works. A couple of observations. PNetHood seems to have difficulty to wake up my LANDisk. I set it to the max scan time (30 sec) and also edited /etc/samba/smb.conf to put workgroup=WORKGROUP2 (my workgrouip name). I can wake it up okay with LinNeighborhood and then PNetHood finds the Samba LANDisk (not usually a problem in 412). Also I still need my CIF code I reported above in order to see files in Rox.
Rgds Mike

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#112 Post by puppyiso »

Maybe it is only me but the seamonkey browser doesn't work.

Besides that, it is the one I wanted for a long long time.

What seems to be a problem?

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#113 Post by ttuuxxx »

puppyiso wrote:Maybe it is only me but the seamonkey browser doesn't work.

Besides that, it is the one I wanted for a long long time.

What seems to be a problem?
Its the flash in the seamonkey browser that doesn't work, if you remove the flash, it works really stable and doesn't crash, I tried about 6 different flash versions from early 9 - 10 beta's included and had the issue, I'll look into recompiling glib/seamonkey again and see what happens.
Really we could probably use Opera and that would work, but I don't want to give up on Seamonkey just yet.
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#114 Post by clarf »

puppyiso wrote:Maybe it is only me but the seamonkey browser doesn't work.
Sadly I´m testing 2.14 in vwmare for work reasons (I´ll test it at home as soon as I can).

Seamonkey browser doesn´t work for my either, if I start it from the Network menu it don´t start and I have to kill the process. But If I use the Browser link from the Desktop, Seamonkey starts without problems.

Dillo is there and works great, bad thing it doesn´t have proxy support... Talking about proxy support, I can´t download any package from Package Manager, I had to manually download them. Is there any way to configure a proxy connection in Package Manager?

ThightVNC is super fast and works without problems, but It seems a ripped version, How could I change the connection properties?. (protocols, compression, etc.)

P.D: First time ever that I have no issues with Xorg running in VMWare, great work Dugal.

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Seamonkey

#115 Post by mawebb88 »

clarf wrote:
puppyiso wrote:Maybe it is only me but the seamonkey browser doesn't work.
Sadly I´m testing 2.14 in vwmare for work reasons (I´ll test it at home as soon as I can).

Seamonkey browser doesn´t work for my either, if I start it from the Network menu it don´t start and I have to kill the process. But If I use the Browser link from the Desktop, Seamonkey starts without problems.

Dillo is there and works great, bad thing it doesn´t have proxy support... Talking about proxy support, I can´t download any package from Package Manager, I had to manually download them. Is there any way to configure a proxy connection in Package Manager?

ThightVNC is super fast and works without problems, but It seems a ripped version, How could I change the connection properties?. (protocols, compression, etc.)

P.D: First time ever that I have no issues with Xorg running in VMWare, great work Dugal.
SM works for me. The crashing issue was fixed for me with the renaming of the plugins folder (ttuuxxx suggested moving it but I just renamed it). (see earlier post).
Rgds Mike

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#116 Post by cthisbear »

ttuuxxx
" Its the flash or a combo of plugins "

""""""""""

" I renamed /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/plugins

to /usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/nbg_plugins "

""""""""

I will try mawebb88 fix.

A real pain in the neck Seamonkey crashing.
Really noticeable.
Not having a go....never had this issue in previous pups.

Despite some critics...generally this was a great release.

Pity SM can't be as fast in Windows.
Lost the plot.

Chris.

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Re: Seamonkey

#117 Post by clarf »

mawebb88 wrote: SM works for me. The crashing issue was fixed for me with the renaming of the plugins folder (ttuuxxx suggested moving it but I just renamed it). (see earlier post).
Rgds Mike
thanks mawebb88 but your solution didn´t work for me. I had problems starting SM from JWC menu, when I click Internet - SeaMonkey web browser, a mozilla process start (using 100% processor) but browser never opened. Instead using Desktop shortcut SeaMonkey browser opened without problems...

Edit: I could solve the problem just editing /root/.jwmrc and changing mozilla for seamonkey, in the Program tap for SeaMonkey web browser.

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Re: Seamonkey

#118 Post by ttuuxxx »

clarf wrote:
mawebb88 wrote: SM works for me. The crashing issue was fixed for me with the renaming of the plugins folder (ttuuxxx suggested moving it but I just renamed it). (see earlier post).
Rgds Mike
thanks mawebb88 but your solution didn´t work for me. I had problems starting SM from JWC menu, when I click Internet - SeaMonkey web browser, a mozilla process start (using 100% processor) but browser never opened. Instead using Desktop shortcut SeaMonkey browser opened without problems...

Edit: I could solve the problem just editing /root/.jwmrc and changing mozilla for seamonkey, in the Program tap for SeaMonkey web browser.
or install this, I just changed the .desktop file, now back to flash
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Re: Seamonkey

#119 Post by clarf »

ttuuxxx wrote:
clarf wrote: Edit: I could solve the problem just editing /root/.jwmrc and changing mozilla for seamonkey, in the Program tap for SeaMonkey web browser.
or install this, I just changed the .desktop file, now back to flash
ttuuxxx
Thanks ttuuxxx. After I edited /root/.jwmrc I could call SeaMonkey from JWM menu, but "mozilla" word reappeared in .jwmrc each time I installed or uninstalled a PET. Your pet finally solve the problem changing the SeaMonkey-web-browser.desktop file in /usr/share/applications/, I didn´t know that... It apply to IceWM too?.

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Re: Seamonkey

#120 Post by ttuuxxx »

clarf wrote: Thanks ttuuxxx. After I edited /root/.jwmrc I could call SeaMonkey from JWM menu, but "mozilla" word reappeared in .jwmrc each time I installed or uninstalled a PET. Your pet finally solve the problem changing the SeaMonkey-web-browser.desktop file in /usr/share/applications/, I didn´t know that... It apply to IceWM too?.
yes it applies to icewm and jwm, if you ever want to change a icon or a menu entry in the /Menu/ you change it in usr/share/applications then when you refresh/fix menus, xdg builds a new menu with all the .desktop files, this works for all .xdg menus, like jwm,icewm etc
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#121 Post by Keef »

Compaq Armada 3500
PII 300mhz
320MB RAM
2GB CF card in IDE adapter
Frugal install (manual)

I used to use 214R for quite a while (a minimal setup using Ratpoison), but on a more modern laptop. I was a bit disappointed it didn't run that well on the system described above
This new revision is a lot quicker, and looks really good.
There are a few issues though. I had never used a subdirectory for 214R, so I tried that initially (using the guide earlier in the thread), and got it to boot (eventually). Problems occur on shutdown, with some changes being lost. I got this error:

merging initrd/pup-rw/ into initrd/pup_ro1
tail: cannot open "+2" for reading
No such file or directory

Also got this with an install to root. Tried both methods with and without an empty savefile.

Eventually got round this by sticking with the root install and removing PMEDIA=ideflash

This is my menu.lst for reference:
title 214X
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0
initrd /initrd.gz

I've gained a swapfile that I've never had before though.
Anyway, I have also installed Opera 10 turbo which works well.
Tried FirePup, but it is a bit erratic - adding bookmarks locks it up.

The Armada does not have an internal floppy, so gparted goes on walkabout trying to find it. I copied over gparted_shell from the patched version, and also got hold of probedisk2, and symlinked it to probedisk.
Now able to select the drive to open gparted with, *but*, pmount then only shows the (non-existant) floppy drive!
Mut works fine though.

On first boot, geany threw up this message:
'geany needs to move your old config file before starting. Your old config directory "/root/.geany" couldn't be moved to "/root/.config/geany" (invalid cross-link)'

Once I sorted out the savefile issue, I no longer get the message. Geany runs ok, either way.

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#122 Post by ecomoney »

I notice on this thread about the icewmpackage you made, 2.14r would not work because of the non standard menu layout 2.14r uses....I believe you said you had fixed that in 2.14X?
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#123 Post by prit1 »

@ttuuxxx ... working on 2 series is a joy on my machine. Wireless works perfectly everytime. Feels faster. Thanks for resurrecting this. Have got it installed and will definitely be watching this thread.
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#124 Post by ttuuxxx »

Well guys I've been working endlessly on this Seamonkey issue, And I've narrowed it down to something wrong with the backend, Its not Seamonkeys fault or flash, well it is to do with flash, but thats not it, I've installed 2 other Seamonkeys from grrrrr Mozilla that I downloaded, one was a gtk1 and the other was gtk2 both compiled as i686, and they both crashed with flash at the same websites doing the same thing, with different flash's installed. So I'll look at what I've compiled and installed in the past and try to work this flaw out. I know that libpangocairo was difficult to compile, it took a lot to get this compiled the first time, many attempts, its also a known fact when you look it up on google, you'll find lots of users finding it difficult to compile, I wish I had Barry's secret recipe for that, like which libs he used for a base for it.

Anyways I'll plug along with it, I also have the latest gimp, if anyone wanted it, its a 6.5MB pet, but its has almost all options compiled with it. Like it opens PS,MS graphics etc. heres the link.
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/ ... 6-i386.pet
username:puppy
password:linux

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#125 Post by ttuuxxx »

Hey guys, I fixed the flash crashing error, well I can view the pages now that used 2 crash which is great news :)
Also last year I compiled a application called GtkHash, well I figured I would compile it for 2.14.1X Soooooo, I remembered that last time it had about 20 different file hashes and I figured well thats probably the reason why it was so large, like 250kb pet, So This time around I looked to see if I could disable all but 2 hash files, and yes I could, I kept md5 and sha1. since those are the most used on puppy and made the package, lol this time the whole package was 57kb, now thats a great size. So I'll include it with the next release, also I found another gtk2 picture viewer thats really small (47kb) and hasn't been on puppy yet, so I'll toss that one in also for testing. it has Fullscreen and slideshow, gif viewing, mouse and keyboard zooming. Not bad for the size :) Anyways Tomorrow I'll put it all together and release it :)
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http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ <-- Codec Test Files
http://html5games.com/ <-- excellent HTML5 games :)

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