Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series

[Eathray]

Honestly, all that stuff should be working. I don't think opera is your problem. I think you have a set up problem. On X, did you use Xorg or Vesa? Maybe something there is all I can think of. But to worry. Smart people will be along soon

[ttuuxxx]

Hi guys a few weeks back I posted a pic of a PC I purchased used for $60 including a mouse, keyboard and screen, well its fast enough for puppy and had lots of memory 2gigs worth, and a 3.2GHz CPU, but the browser wasn't stable and it was crashing, I had a feeling the default built in Video vga on the motherboard wasn't getting the right driver so I said screw it two days ago, I'll buy a new 2Gig pci-e video card on ebay, Cost $85 Canadian delivered. Ok it cost more than the PC, lol but I look at it like this, It will give me years of speed for compiling and it has a hdmi for movie viewing on the TV , So it came today and all I got to say now is wow. Facebook is fast, movies hardly take any cpu and the system is now stable, really for older pc's I would suggest a 128MB video card min, I used to use a Radeon Sapphire 256MB AGP video card with TV out and that worked well 10years ago on puppy linux, Then I made a newer PC and upgraded the motherboard and power supply, ram,cpu, hard drive and video card to a 1Gig in Australia, then moved back to Canada and started off with this PC.
ttuuxxx

[rufwoof]

Thanks. Switched from XVesa to Xorg and drag/drop's in ROX work fine.

Managed to extract initrd.gz as well

[ttuuxxx]

Did you reboot or restart the x server after you installed?

Yes, I also ran fix menus from the menu entry and in a console but nothing changed. Opera looks to be installed but won't start. there is no .desktop file. I also tried running it from /usr/bin but no luck. I ran 214x pfix=ram and made a new save file then reinstalled opera but it still won't run. I also found that changes were not being saved to the save file but have fixed this. Have installed pwidgets. Have still not solved the drag and drop issue in rox. Can copy and paste using thunar. Is this the way it's done?

Regards,

Ken.

did you run ghasher and check your md5sum on the iso image ??
. Also which Opera did you try, my release or Eathray's??
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Thanks. Switched from XVesa to Xorg and drag/drop's in ROX work fine.

Managed to extract initrd.gz as well

cool, its really fun when things start working out with puppy, Its like a exciting puzzle unraveling, that's probably why puppy is so addictive.
ttuuxxx

[rufwoof]

Thanks. Switched from XVesa to Xorg and drag/drop's in ROX work fine.

Managed to extract initrd.gz as well

cool, its really fun when things start working out with puppy, Its like a exciting puzzle unraveling, that's probably why puppy is so addictive.
ttuuxxx

I tried making a humongous intrd.gz, so that it might be PXE booted, but there was insufficient space.

Whist Xorg works ok on the drag/drop front, at shutdown it leaves my screen dark (graphics mode I suspect) so I don't get to see the 'save' (textual) options.

Otherwise great. Using it to post this now (FireFox 42.0 courtesy of Shinobar's portable FireFox (on HDD). The right-click 'build' (re-download) doesn't work though, but a reboot to a later puppy and update as and when new releases occur is a simple option/task).

Thanks.

[keniv]

Hi All
Here are the answers to your Qs.

drag and drop issues with rox is due to the wrong Xorg driver being installed.

On X, did you use Xorg or Vesa?

I used versa because I thought it would perhaps load the system less. I will try xorg. Do I also need to use the appropriate driver?

Also which Opera did you try, my release or Eathray's??

I used yours (ttuuxxx) version.

did you run ghasher and check your md5sum on the iso image ??

No but I will do so. Just done this and md5sum is the same as that on first post.

I've also have had a problem with the firewall complaining about missing tables, this after it had been used without a problem and loosing the settings in firefox after shutting down which lead me to believe stuff was not being saved to the save file. A new save file fixed the firewall but not firefox. It seems to loose its settings after a couple of shutdowns. I might re-download the iso and start again.

Regards,

Ken.

[Eathray]

Ken

Xorg will try to identify the correct driver. I would pick 16 bit color on an older machine. Maybe ttuuxxx will confirm if you need a fresh save file... I'd start over with a new one. The current isn't working anyway...

[keniv]

Thanks for the reply Earthray. I have decided I to start with everything afresh. There is one thing I wonder about with 214x. With all the other pups I've tried I have put initrd.gz, vmlinuz and the pup_xxx.sfs all in a named folder then wrote a suitable script to point grub4dos at that. When the save file was produce it has always been placed in that folded. In 214x the save file is put in /mnt/home. If iI move it to the 214x folder it seems to find two save files with the same name. One of these does not exist.. I thought this was why I had the problem with things not being save to the save file. I booted using pfix=ram and produced a new save file and left it in /mnt/home. I thought this one was working so I deleted the first one. However, the new on started to lose stuff. Can I ask if anybody else has done a manual frugall install this way to tell me where the 214x save file was put.

Regards,

Ken.

[Eathray]

Ken

Yeah, that's something I've had a little trouble with too. The right boot parameter to make it call the correct save file. It's supposed to be something like psave or pupsave = blah blah, but I haven't figured it out yet... we need ttuuxxx for that one

Edit:
It goes to mnt/home/ by default, but it would be cool to put it in the 214x folder and have it always call that save file automatically via grub, but I haven't been able to make it work.

[greengeek]

The right boot parameter to make it call the correct save file. It's supposed to be something like psave or pupsave = blah blah, but I haven't figured it out yet... we need ttuuxxx for that one

I seem to recall somewhere reading that series 2 pups needed the "psavemark" parameter to define the savefile location. Vague memory though...

[keniv]

Thanks for that Earthray. I deleted my 214x directory and save file and started again. However ,I still have the problem of saving to the save file. I believe that only the stuff that was saved when I set it up ie wifi, xorg etc. After that nothing seems to be saved properly. There are odd things though. This time i went for xorg. This let me move icons about on the desktop. these changes are saved when I reboot. I can install pwidgets. This works fine to the next reboot. It does not appear on the screen. It cannot be opened but it can be uninstalled. Unless there is a grub command that I can use to tell 214x the save file to save too I seem to be stuck.

Regards,

Ken.

[Eathray]

Let's wait for new orders from General Ttuuxxx. More 'intel' is needed.

[Keef]

This is what I used to use:

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title 214X (hda2/214X)
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /214X/initrd.gz
  kernel /214X/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PDEV1=hda1 psubdir=214X pmedia=atahd PUPSAVE=ext3,hda2,/214X/pup_save-214X.3fs 
  initrd /214X/initrd.gz

Adjust to suit your setup.

I think you have to add the PUPSAVE parameter *after* you have made the savefile. Otherwise it complains a lot and won't boot.

[keniv]

Thanks Keef
It looks as if it will work. I try it tomorrow. Going to bed now.

Regards,

Ken.

[keniv]

Well I tried many versions of Keefs extract from his menu.lst for 214x after altering it to suit system. If I use it as is except for changes to suit my system the boot process crashes complaining about not being able to load things. It then pauses 30s then comes up with more compaints. If I comment out the bit that says where the save file is it boots up sucessfuly having loaded the save file. But when shutdown it says that the file does not exist.
I am now at a loss as to what to try next..

Regards,

Ken.

[Keef]

keniv

Not used 214x for a while, so can't test it out. But when there are problems with booting/saving I think it is best to go simple first just to make sure everything works.
I would forget the folder to start with, and keep the menu.lst entry as simple as possible. eg:

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title 214X 
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /initrd.gz
  kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0  
  initrd /initrd.gz

I think 'pmedia=atahd' can be dropped, but if not also try 'idehd' instead. Not sure if it makes a difference, but worth a try.
In my original listing, I had PDEV1=hda1, when it should have been hda2.

[keniv]

I have almost given up on this. I've had a look here

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35003

and here

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/BootParametersPuppy

Everything I've tried has failed. I may try burning to a cd, install the .sfs and the save file then see if the save file works if I boot from the cd.
If that works I might try again with grub. I think if that fails I'll have to give up. It would be a pity as it seems to run quite fast on this old hardware.

Ken.

[darry1966]

Hi Starhawk,

I noted you have one of these sexy beasts namely the "Dell CPi (P2 300MHz, 128mb RAM" just wondered would SuperSulu 5.2.8.7 with the same kernel as Precise retro be any faster, Is Lucid lighter system wise than Precise??

Not really tried Precise.

Just curious because I find it interesting to hear how you keep these old girls going?
http://www.mediafire.com/download/trph1 ... 150702.iso

[James C]

Still boot into this occasionally......

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-Computer-
Processor		: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Memory		: 2067MB (194MB used)
Operating System		: Puppy Linux 0.00
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Sun 06 Dec 2015 01:04:43 AM PUP
-Display-
Resolution		: 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Unknown
X11 Vendor		: (null)
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter		: ICH4 - Intel ICH5
-Input Devices-
 AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
 ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse
-Printers (CUPS)-
CUPS-PDF		: <i>Default</i>
-IDE Disks-
WDC WD2000JB-00FUA0
WDC WD2000JB-00GVA0
HL-DT-STDVD-RAM GH22LP20

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Version-
Kernel		: Linux 2.6.18.1 (i686)
Compiled		: #1 Thu Feb 1 23:05:39 PUP 2007
C Library		: GNU C Library version 2.10.1 (stable)
Default C Compiler		: Unknown
Distribution		: Puppy Linux 0.00
-Current Session-
Computer Name		: puppypc
User Name		: root (root)
Home Directory		: /root
Desktop Environment		: Unknown (Window Manager: Metacity

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sh-3.00# free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:      2067952       307424      1760528            0         9844
 Swap:      2150392            0      2150392
Total:      4218344       307424      3910920