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PostPosted: Mon 12 Dec 2005, 22:19    Post subject:  

rarsa wrote:
Please send the CUPS log file.
The CUPS thread has instructions to do it http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=12400#12400


Followed the instructions

rm -f /var/log/cups/error_log
Run Test Page
tar -czf /root/log.tar.gz /var/log/cups/error_log

and got nothing.

error_log and access_log did not exist so I created them using Ted.

Re-ran the instructions and still nothing, except empty files.

Not sure what to try next.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Dec 2005, 22:49    Post subject:  

Are these instructions still valid? I just went back through the old CUPS discussion and am wondering if I have missed something in the process for getting a useful log output:

9. Print a test page. ----- IF IT DID NOT PRINT --- DO THE FOLLOWING.

10. Tar the error_log file with the following command - from a command line:
TAR -CVZF LOG.TAR.GZ /VAR/LOG/CUPS/*

11. Delete the log file with the following command - from a command line:
RM -F /VAR/LOG/CUPS/ERROR_LOG

12. To open the CONFIGURATION file - from a command line:

LEAFPAD /ETC/CUPS/CUPSD.CONF

change the lines in the file as follows: locate the words "LogLevel info" and change that
to "LogLevel debug". Save and close the file.

13. Delete the log file with the following command - from a command line:
RM -F /VAR/LOG/CUPS/ERROR_LOG

14. Repeat steps 6 and 7 above.

15. Once at the localhost page, delete the printer that you previously installed by clicking on the
delete printer button and completing the steps.

16. Install a new printer and print a test page. If not successful, repeat the process from Step 10
thru Step 13.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Dec 2005, 23:55    Post subject:  

I think that you missunderstood.

The commands I listed is to tar (pack) an existing log file. The result of that command will be a file called "log.tar.gz" in the current directory. That's the file you need to attach to your post.

Oh, By the way. Commands in Linux are case sensitive. It is a good practice in the forum to type the commands with the proper casing. If you retype them in upper case you may confuse other people.

I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec 2005, 13:07    Post subject:  

rarsa wrote:
I think that you missunderstood.
The commands I listed is to tar (pack) an existing log file. The result of that command will be a file called "log.tar.gz" in the current directory. That's the file you need to attach to your post.


I understood. My challenge is that the source file did not exist so I tried to create blank to be populated and that didn't work either.

rarsa wrote:
Oh, By the way. Commands in Linux are case sensitive. It is a good practice in the forum to type the commands with the proper casing. If you retype them in upper case you may confuse other people.


I undersant this as well. I just pasted in something from another post typed by another Forum member.

I rarely used caps because of the Linux protocols.

I still am not sure how to resolve the actual problem because log files are not being generated.

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec 2005, 13:49    Post subject:  

The instructions I gave on that thread are still valid.

Here I'm lost I would not know why after you start the CUPS daemon and going to the http://localhost:631, add your printer and try to print to the test page you don't get a log file

After starting the CUPS daemon the log file is created when there is a "LogLevel info" or "LogLevel debug" in the configuration file. (and the instructions tell you how to set the log level).

Sorry I cannot be more helpful.
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec 2005, 14:55    Post subject: Re: Is there a Modern Color Printer that Just Works in Puppy  

edoc wrote:
Is there a modern color printer that works out-of-the-box under Puppy?


*RANT ON*

The answer appears to be not really ... but lots of folks are working on it.

Puppy is my distro of choice, including some of its varients such as Grafpup!

Are there plans in 1.0.7 or 1.0.8 to address this?

A short list of printers (currently available for purchase - list kept current) could be enabled via a PupGet -- perhaps a couple each from Epson, HP, and Samsung?

Something that would equip a Puppy user to know what to buy with certainty that it will work without days and days of tinkering?

*RANT OFF*

doc ;-(

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec 2005, 15:05    Post subject:  

rarsa wrote:
The instructions I gave on that thread are still valid.

Here I'm lost I would not know why after you start the CUPS daemon and going to the http://localhost:631, add your printer and try to print to the test page you don't get a log file

After starting the CUPS daemon the log file is created when there is a "LogLevel info" or "LogLevel debug" in the configuration file. (and the instructions tell you how to set the log level).


Perhaps that is the problem? The log levels are not properly set by the app?

I will have to go back and try to figure out how to manually set them properly. Will advise as to my success or failure.

rarsa wrote:
Sorry I cannot be more helpful.


I just went to Turma and searched on error_log

It provided several replies, none of which contained a log file,
e.g. /root, /root/.etc/cups, etc.

What could be broken in the log generator?

I have privately E-mailed Nathan to see if perhaps he is aware of a difference in his distro that might explain this. Very frustrating, so close and yet another roadblock.

Tried setting it up and then printing a simple text doc from Ted in xpdq and nada.

My wife has about lost patience with me wrestling with Linux while she cannot print her Christmas pictures. I may be forced to do the unthinkable and use Win98. Very disappointing to my effort to legitimize Puppy Linux in her eyes and those of others watching ;-(

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec 2005, 15:36    Post subject:  

edoc wrote:
rarsa wrote:
The instructions I gave on that thread are still valid.

Here I'm lost I would not know why after you start the CUPS daemon and going to the http://localhost:631, add your printer and try to print to the test page you don't get a log file

After starting the CUPS daemon the log file is created when there is a "LogLevel info" or "LogLevel debug" in the configuration file. (and the instructions tell you how to set the log level).


Perhaps that is the problem? The log levels are not properly set by the app?

I will have to go back and try to figure out how to manually set them properly. Will advise as to my success or failure.


Please know that I have no doubts about the accuracy of your instructions, only of my strict application of them, and perhaps some possible anomalies in Grafpuphttp://grafpup.com/ or something else in my local install.

I did find your instructions to someone else re. the error log change and tried to follow them.

rarsa wrote:
No, just change the logLevel to debug (in /etc/rc.d/rc.cups), try to print the test page and send me the log.


I used the Leafpad text editor (for those reading this, it is found in the Word Processing area and is more user friendly than vi) but do not see anywhere in the rc.cups code an instruction that addresses the setting of the error log level. If it is there it is sufficiently obscure that it escapes my notice.

More help, please? Wink

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec 2005, 21:41    Post subject: Re: Is there a Modern Color Printer that Just Works in Puppy  

edoc wrote:
edoc wrote:
Is there a modern color printer that works out-of-the-box under Puppy?


*RANT ON*

The answer appears to be not really ... but lots of folks are working on it.

Puppy is my distro of choice, including some of its varients such as Grafpup!

Are there plans in 1.0.7 or 1.0.8 to address this?

A short list of printers (currently available for purchase - list kept current) could be enabled via a PupGet -- perhaps a couple each from Epson, HP, and Samsung?

Something that would equip a Puppy user to know what to buy with certainty that it will work without days and days of tinkering?

*RANT OFF*

doc ;-(


Doc- I'm with you on this, but think the problem needs the larger context of all Linux users.

I've been checking out printing capabilities for other distros- even well-heeled Ubuntu can't cope with modern multi-function printers. Maybe CUPS writers will get graphic/photo/text printing OK relatively quickly for a new model (before its replaced by the next) but the scanning/OCR/fax/ink monitoring/etc features are generally left by the wayside.

If there are 40 million Linux users worldwide, its the printer manufacturers who should be supplying the handshake software. Their teams can produce what is needed in a matter of days, maybe hours if standard interfaces are set. Otherwise we face a future of perpetually crippled printers- which is the 2nd most popular use of computers.

Canon, HP, Lexmark, etc should be responding a lot faster than they are. One might even suspect M$ has a hand in this situation- they've done it before! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec 2005, 22:42    Post subject: Re: Is there a Modern Color Printer that Just Works in Puppy  

aahhaaa wrote:

Doc- I'm with you on this, but think the problem needs the larger context of all Linux users.

I've been checking out printing capabilities for other distros- even well-heeled Ubuntu can't cope with modern multi-function printers. Maybe CUPS writers will get graphic/photo/text printing OK relatively quickly for a new model (before its replaced by the next) but the scanning/OCR/fax/ink monitoring/etc features are generally left by the wayside.


I would do a dance of joy to merely get Puppy to produce color prints from my HP 4215!

Printing now appears to be a Puppy-Cups-?? problem and not the fault of HP.

The Copy feature does not require the pc. I am guessing the Scan feature requires the PC and believe that either Fax receive or send does, don't recall which but not both.

To their credit HP has been more forthcoming than most. I do intend to write and thank them and to ask what deadline they have set for closing the loop on the rest of the features.

If forced to do so I can dual-boot with Win98 and get the other features to work but HATE that I now am forced to use Win98 to print color because I cannot put it off any longer.

I won't even begin to address how I feel about the apparent unholy alliances between M$ and hardware manufacturers to prevent the spread of Linux.

I do not, however, understand how it is that Apple (whose OS is somewhat similar to Linux) is able to get more compatibility from more manufacturers --
guess that is the power of a centralized commercial organization that speaks with one voice and a large budget.

Meanwhile I have to go and slum with Win98 ... gag me with a whole serving set! Wink doc

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Dec 2005, 13:48    Post subject:  

Anything in these results from chasing the wireless nic problem that flag anything relevant to the printer problem?

2. Make sure your bios is set for "PnP OS = NO"
3. Does "dmesg" or "lspci" show the card?
4. Does "cat /proc/interrupts" show an irq conflict?

Here is the output from those three info requests and the PNP BIOS setting:

START OF dmesg TEXT

(Some of the early output was cut off -- is there
a way to increase the buffer size?)

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 9
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 5
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 10
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] enabled at IRQ 11
PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
Applying VIA southbridge workaround.
isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Initializing RT netlink socket
apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16)
apm: overridden by ACPI.
Starting kswapd
Journalled Block Device driver loaded
Squashfs 2.1-r2 (released 2004/12/15) (C) 2002-2004 Phillip Lougher
pty: 2048 Unix98 ptys configured
Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-0Cool with MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
Real Time Clock Driver v1.10f
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 12288K size 1024 blocksize
loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
VP_IDE: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:04.1
VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
VP_IDE: VIA vt82c686b (rev 40) IDE UDMA100 controller on pci00:04.1
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd808-0xd80f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
PDC20265: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:11.0
PDC20265: chipset revision 2
PDC20265: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
PDC20265: (U)DMA Burst Bit ENABLED Primary PCI Mode Secondary PCI Mode.
ide2: BM-DMA at 0x8800-0x8807, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio
ide3: BM-DMA at 0x8808-0x880f, BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio
hda: QUANTUM FIREBALLP LM20.5, ATA DISK drive
blk: queue c034b540, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)
hdc: LTN526S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: attached ide-disk driver.
hda: host protected area => 1
hda: 40132503 sectors (20548 MB) w/1900KiB Cache, CHS=2498/255/63, UDMA(33)
Partition check:
hda: hda1 hda2
ide: late registration of driver.
md: md driver 0.90.0 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27
md: Autodetecting RAID arrays.
md: autorun ...
md: ... autorun DONE.
Initializing Cryptographic API
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
IP: routing cache hash table of 2048 buckets, 16Kbytes
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 16384 bind 32768)
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.

Freeing unused kernel memory: 132k freed
EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html
00:0a.0: 3Com PCI 3cSOHO100-TX Hurricane at 0xa400. Vers LK1.1.18
Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac3
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:04.5 to 64
ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: ICE17 (ICE1232)
via82cxxx: board #1 at 0xB800, IRQ 5
usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs
usb.c: registered new driver hub
usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time 10:58:54 Jun 17 2005
usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled
usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xd400, IRQ 9
usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 2 ports detected
usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xd000, IRQ 9
usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports
usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
hub.c: USB hub found
hub.c: 2 ports detected
usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver
hub.c: new USB device 00:04.2-1, assigned address 2
usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x3f0/0x3d11) is not claimed by any active driver.
hub.c: new USB device 00:04.2-2, assigned address 3
usb.c: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0xa16/0x9988) is not claimed by any active driver.
hdc: attached ide-cdrom driver.
hdc: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM drive, 120kB Cache, UDMA(33)
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
parport_pc: Via 686A parallel port: io=0x378
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Vendor: Memorex Model: ThumbDrive Rev: 7.77
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
SCSI device sda: 256000 512-byte hdwr sectors (131 MB)
sda: Write Protect is off
sda: sda1
WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
USB Mass Storage device found at 3
USB Mass Storage support registered.
usb.c: registered new driver usblp
printer.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x3D11
printer.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver
lp0: using parport0 (polling).
lp0: console ready
END COPY OF dmesg TEXT

# lspci
0:0.0 1106:0305 (rev 03)
0:1.0 1106:8305
0:4.0 1106:0686 (rev 40)
0:4.1 1106:0571 (rev 06)
0:4.2 1106:3038 (rev 16)
0:4.3 1106:3038 (rev 16)
0:4.4 1106:3057 (rev 40)
0:4.5 1106:3058 (rev 50)
0:10.0 10b7:7646 (rev 30)
0:11.0 11ab:1faa (rev 03)
0:17.0 105a:0d30 (rev 02)
1:0.0 10de:0110 (rev b2)

# cat /proc/interrupts
CPU0
0: 5228568 XT-PIC timer
1: 1732 XT-PIC keyboard
2: 0 XT-PIC cascade
5: 10116 XT-PIC via82cxxx, eth0
8: 1 XT-PIC rtc
9: 14011 XT-PIC acpi, usb-uhci, usb-uhci
12: 98231 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse
14: 17344 XT-PIC ide0
15: 35 XT-PIC ide1
NMI: 0
ERR: 0

2. Make sure your bios is set for "PnP OS = NO"

PNP is OFF

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jan 2006, 07:57    Post subject:  

Is this of any use to you edoc ?
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jan 2006, 19:06    Post subject:  

Anonymous wrote:
Is this of any use to you edoc ?


Been through all of that.

Problem was with some tiny and not-obvious-to-me setting somewhere between the HP drivers, Puppy, and the printer.

Crazy busy with holidays and end-of-year inventory.

Perhaps some time to play later in the week or weekend ... am also stalling to see what 1.0.7 offers.

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PostPosted: Tue 11 Apr 2006, 23:47    Post subject: libptal needed for hpoj driver  

Hi,

Just tried the HP hpoj driver but it's asking for libptal library. Can anyone supply?

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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct 2007, 18:57    Post subject: Research  

I have been asked to provide a multifunction device for a local community centre. From my research (This is a good document) I have decided to recommend a hp 4050 all in one series. The ink is also extremely cheap. I hope I will be able to get hplip working for the more advanced functions.

Just a side not, I have found epsons (usually a good second choice) with a usb interface dont get picked up very well with puppy with the autodetect. I dont know why.

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