Puppy 4.3 ?

[Béèm]

a bit late for 4 series.

It's never too late to be sorry.

[ttuuxxx]

Could there be an ill effect of running a smp kernel on a 1 cpu machine?
If no, I would say: go for smp kernel.

None at all reported from what I've seen, and quad cpu systems can use 2 cpu's.
its just a bit larger I think around 1-2MB
ttuuxxx

[ecomoney]

Thanks for clarifying things Lobster, this is good news indeed. I was afraid there would not be a stable, attractive and enhanced 4 series puppy before 5 series gets all of the inevitable problems sorted that such an massive overhaul will bring.

Mistakes can be learnt from, wrongs forgiven, processes improved, new approaches tried, such is the unstoppable nature of open source. History teaches us often...when those who hold opinions and speak up are labeled "terrorists", "communists", "heretics" or ""witches", progress slows.

The worlds many disenchanted and embittered XP users are counting on us....

I like the name "Earth"

[Lobster]

the "body" referring to everyone else except WhoDo

Well said Joe.
I am reminded somehow of the Jack Nicolson film
"As Good as It Gets" (highly recommended)

We as a body of potential positive puppys
can with a little effort, provide pets, patches
and positive petting.

This will offer the groundwork and a solid, sound
base.
Some intend.
Some can.
Some do.

WhoDo did.

[davids45]

G'day,

"I like the name "Earth" "

What a dull name.

Given the future events, why not "By-pass"?

We've got to build them, you know.

David S.
Milliways.

[droope]

I'm on the developer list WTF?

[BarryK]

A technical correction.

The "Puppy4 series" is based on the code base introduced at 4.0. An Ubuntu or Debian build should not be numbered 4.x, it will only cause confusion I think.

After 4.2.1, there can be a move to Woof if desired, but it would be a "Ppup", built from Puppy4 PET packages.

For a brand new code base, it would be better to number it 5.x.

[01micko]

Could there be an ill effect of running a smp kernel on a 1 cpu machine?
If no, I would say: go for smp kernel.

Well Beem if you look at big_bass slaxer_pup thread I tried 3 different older style boxes with it... and I believe that is an SMP kernel... so no bads for me... and the machines were quite varied

Cheers

[Lobster]

After 4.2.1, there can be a move to Woof if desired, but it would be a "Ppup", built from Puppy4 PET packages.

For a brand new code base, it would be better to number it 5.x.

My thinking behind 4.3 was to use it as a stepping stone to 5
Getting people used to Git, Vala/Genie and Woof.

Does everyone feel it is better to go straight to Puppy 5?

[ttuuxxx]

After 4.2.1, there can be a move to Woof if desired, but it would be a "Ppup", built from Puppy4 PET packages.

For a brand new code base, it would be better to number it 5.x.

My thinking behind 4.3 was to use it as a stepping stone to 5
Getting people used to Git, Vala/Genie and Woof.

Does everyone feel it is better to go straight to Puppy 5?

Well of course will have 4.2.1 released or heck just rename my unofficial release of it, really the difference will be a few icons

anyways whats the need for 4.3 ?
with series 5 we have so much newer and better things, like ext4, newer kernel, things like FireFox3 working out of the box etc. Its going to take a lot of work to setup for 5 series. Plus I personally really like Dpup, haven't upgraded to the latest woof yet, been waiting to find out if the compiler is fixed in Dpup and also maybe a working media player for it? like Gxine or Mplayer, I personally lean towards Mplayer, but I guess its whatever Barry hands us to play with

Git on the other hand I've explained before, only dedicated testers will actually use it, say if we have 10 000 memebers on this forum, maybe the most that would use git to test out softwae would be 20 or so.
If we had a main testing section(not a subsection in software, a new main section) where packagers could have a subsection and maybe made as admins for that section only, They could have one locked thread called 'releases' with links only. So users couldn't added tons of pages, and things get lost,
then in a subsection you have another section called 'software results'
in that section the packager has a forum threads with titles like gimp, Cups, etc and there people would report findings contained to the package.
By doing this we could maybe have over 1000 people testing packages etc. anyways its an idea
If you don't get how I explained it I could make a diagram, its up to you
ttuuxxx

[Lobster]

anyways whats the need for 4.3 ?

There may be none.

I will wait for a few more responses but it seems we might be able to move straight to 5 . . . if so I will remove this thread

[Béèm]

Could there be an ill effect of running a smp kernel on a 1 cpu machine?
If no, I would say: go for smp kernel.

Well Beem if you look at big_bass slaxer_pup thread I tried 3 different older style boxes with it... and I believe that is an SMP kernel... so no bads for me... and the machines were quite varied

Cheers

Thanks for sharing that experience.
I didn't have a look at slaxer.
There are so many pupping up, I loose track.

[Béèm]

Could there be an ill effect of running a smp kernel on a 1 cpu machine?
If no, I would say: go for smp kernel.

None at all reported from what I've seen, and quad cpu systems can use 2 cpu's.
its just a bit larger I think around 1-2MB
ttuuxxx

Thank you for the info, ttuuxxx.

[Béèm]

anyways whats the need for 4.3 ?

There may be none.

I will wait for a few more responses but it seems we might be able to move straight to 5 . . . if so I will remove this thread

If the 4.3 stays with the same kernel, I have no major need, except user friendly configurability. That could attract people hesitating to leave Windows.

The objective should be then, that this is taken over in 5.x as well.

[mysticmarks]

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40888

ANYONE OUT THERE?[/url]

[Pizzasgood]

I suggested once a month release a bug fix version, Pizzasgood suggested every 2.5 weeks or something, I think thats a bit too many releases in the year.

Sorry if you misunderstood. I did mean monthly. The part where I mentioned a couple weeks was the longest I'd personally be willing to wait after releasing a "final" version before putting together a bugfix for it with whatever bugs there are. I was completely ignoring (had forgotten, actually) the monthly thing by that point. Actually, it might fit well - release the big new version on the month in place of the normal monthly bugfix. Then half a month later (two weeks) do a bugfix. Then another two weeks for the next bugfix, which would put things back on the monthly schedule again, and ensure that big releases get some fixes in faster.



As for your concern about Git vs. testers - Git is for the developers, not testers. The testers could just ignore it if they didn't like Git. There is no reason we couldn't release normal isos for the uninitiated to test with. Alpha/beta/rc releases would still happen normally. Git would provide people with an additional option, to avoid the need to wait for alphas. But it's mainly to help simplify the development.

I am feeling like Git is getting ahead of me though. I had intended to start working on Pizzapup using Git before we use it with Puppy, so that I could have a better idea of how practical it will be and what-not, to avoid wasting people's time if it flops. But I've been swamped since February. I've had an average of 12-14 hour weekdays and 7 hour Saturdays. School is finally wrapping up for summer though, so I can get some work in soon.

Also, if we intend to replace Unleashed with Woof in the near future, then we may as well just keep doing Puppy the old way until then.

[ttuuxxx]

Also, if we intend to replace Unleashed with Woof in the near future, then we may as well just keep doing Puppy the old way until then.

It would be nice is woof had a folder called 'users-extras' where we could simply place pet's and deb's packages, then when we build a woof version it would automatically include those new programs. I've been just adding files to /woof-alpha3.1/rootfs-skeleton folder to add files, kind of a lazy way and the they have to extracted to '/',
ttuuxxx

[mcewanw]

It would be nice is woof had a folder called 'users-extras' where we could simply place pet's and deb's packages, then when we build a woof version it would automatically include those new programs.

Of course, functionally at least, that is the way tiny core linux handles addon packages in persistent tce mode (there are other alternatives similar to sfs but without using union file system at all): you just stick the dottce application (kind of like a dotpet) into /tce (or some other folder you have preset for the purpose) and, like magic, the new applications become part of your system on next boot. Removing applications is as simple as taking the associated dottce out of /tce...

A great "trick" is that /tce doesn't even need to contain the dottce applications. They can all be kept in a separate folder and /tce just populated with symlinks to the ones you want for that "flavour" of tiny core (no remastering needed). That way you can set up several /tce-type folders containing different sets of symlinks to the main dottce storage folder and use, for example, a grub menu.lst boot code to select which /tce... is to be the one used on boot. i.e. loads of flavours for different specialised purposes but no extra isos or additional bloat needed at all. It is a very powerful concept. Personally, I use the slimmest barebones system that suits my need at any particular time, so often just have a browser, a terminal, and a text editor as one of those "flavours" (but when I want to do maintenance, I pretty much always reboot into Puppy Linux v 2.17.1 because everything I'm likely to need is there for maintenance of my system is all in there and well trusted by me! :-)

I doubt I'll ever settle down to one particular system as a desktop; I get bored easily and sometimes reboot just to have a different OS: Puppy, Tiny Core, the latest slitaz, geexbox (whenever I want to watch DVDs), and very occasionally .... oops... Windows (usually W2000Pro, but very very rarely XP, and never Vista). I do have Ubuntu (slightly old version) installed too, but almost never boot up into it: these big Linux distributions just seem like slow bloat to me now, such that I hardly see the point of them any more for desktop use (different on a network with multiple users and services though). Clearly, for me at least, core (small as usefully possible) + extension applications (+ extension bling...) is the way to go, though it's important that the set of extensions are well tested and capable of producing a reliable overall desktop system for those who want that all singing and dancing at the same time - but flexibility in that sense remains the marketing key for the future, I'd say. Another way of looking at it, is that it is usually easier to add things on than to take them off once they are already built in to a complex system.

[Lobster]

At the moment our most up to date, stable and complete Puppy is 4.2 and the soon to be released 4.2.1
An ideal basis for your Puplets.

Developers, testers, tweakers and those developing woofability are keen to move towards the Woof building system for Kennel (Puppy 5)

So this is where the emphasis will be
http://puppylinux.org/wiki/development/ ... y-5-kennel

Puppy Woofability
Does your distro have it?

[ttuuxxx]

Hey Lobster are you jumping the Gun?? Why's the title Puppy 4.3 [cancelled] ???
ttuuxxx