Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

aragon · Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 1691 Location: Germany

Don't step aside WhoDo.

You've mastered some other times with 'less' fun, so please this one too.

Lobster might have a mantra to resolve this little crisis... Wink

aragon

paulh177 · Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 870 Location: ST862228

bugman · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2131 Location: buffalo commons

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3845

I think it would be a good idea for Warren to pass the baton to someone of his own choosing (at least every other minor release) and let the lead rotate. This would allow him some rest and also get a different perspective each time, since each alternate lead would make more fixes/upgrades/improvements in his/her area of expertise. We should try to get a Google summer of code project for our students out there (Pizzasgood, MU? others...). and allow some of the other major contributors to have a hack or two at it during the rest of the year.... therefore I vote for neither, maybe just step aside from time to time.

Patriot · Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 734

Hmmm ...

Just my thoughts here ...

1. Whodo should be given fair chance to follow this through right to the end. I see no major reason to do otherwise.

2. Is ecomoney attempting a coup d'etat on puppyland against our current "Benevolent Dictator" ?

3. I understand ecomoney's arguments for bugfixes but I disagree with his methods. He has several other options. Yet, he chooses to pursue this path. It is increasingly looking to be like a personal conquest.

4. This persistence with the abiword bug as a big huge major issue is hilarious, at least to me. Its not life threatening in any way. Abiword is a tool, no more than that and if it broke, then many other options still exists. As far as I know, no abiword developer has come aboard puppyland to explain the issue and we have no maintainer for abiword (yes, we have packagers. anyone can do that). Anyone wants the position ?

5. Abiword bug has been identified and with a fix offered. That's good enough for now. Perhaps a better way to let the intended user know of the fix should be given some thought.

6. At least one derivative with bugfixes has appeared. If that's not good enough then build one to suit one's own needs.

7. I believe some sort of a service pack could be worked out while waiting for the next build/release version. Perhaps someone is willing to pick this one up ?

8. Can ecomoney if and as the coordinator guarantee that the next version will be free of any bugs ?

9. All this barking about bugs is fine if it's being done constructively. Everyone's a critic. Unfortunately, many does not know how to do it constructively.

10. I've already cast my vote. Can we move along now ?

Rgds

tronkel · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 1067 Location: Vienna Austria

Puppy 4.2 managed to reach no 2 on Distrowatch for a while, no mean feat - coming in just under Ubuntu as the top dog. The target audience must therefore have been highly satisfied with it - despite the odd glitch here and there.

So why then would WhoDo have to resign? I voted no on that one for sure.

Bug-fixing a distro takes time and patience. WhoDo as well as other developers often work under time constraints - that's just life.

A bug-fixed 4.2 will appear just as soon as people find the time to fix it. It took Debian 2 years to fix Lenny (and it's not even right yet, but it's good enough to deploy).

Kudos to ttuuxxx as well for supporting Puppy 4.2 I reckon he did a great job there. Hope he gets sorted out with the base for Puppy 5.

Ecomoney? It's clear that he is trying to propel 4.2 in such a direction that it meets his needs for the CyberCafe etc.

If the current 4.2 appears not to fulfill his requirements at the moment in this respect, he has plenty of other choices that might be considered - naming no names here!

Could it be though, that in reality Puppy is in fact the best candidate for the job here - bugs and all? Sure looks like it. As you can also observe, Puppy is heading straight for the no 1 spot. 4.2 was a step towards this.

Ban Ecomoney from the forum? - no.

big_bass · Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 1736

Hey WhoDo

nobody voted for you to be the coordinator
BarryK asked if you would and if I remember correctly

*which I do have a good memory*
you said yes

end of discussion
.........................................................................................................

Do I agree with Barryk's request and your answer?

yes

end of my opinion

-----------------------------------------------------
echomoney

you made a business decision to use puppy whatever version
to please your clients?

Do you offer full localization language support?
Do you offer free tech support?
Do you offer multi users?

if you haven't thought this through yet
the demands you have now will only
grow

maybe whoever selected you to run your business
should reconsider their choice

big_bass

SirDuncan · Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 836 Location: Ohio, USA

MU · Posted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 13:00 Post subject:

DaveS · Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Posts: 3697 Location: UK

Ping MU. Good luck with the job hunt man............. tough times.

Lobster · Posted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 13:31 Post subject:

gerry · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 944 Location: England

@Tronkel- I understood that the Distrowatch ranking is based on the number of people READING ABOUT a particular distro, not how many download/install/use it. So Puppy being number two only means that a lot of people decided to have a look and read all about it.

Gerry

Aitch · Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK

Oh Dear

Dirty laundry again

To have such a good distro & such a poor human rapport between fellow forum members, regardless of their role, is IMHO just sad, as it goes public & has an effect for EVERY linux distro, not just Puppy

We should be both PROUD & VIGILANT!!

There's nothing wrong with saying XXX is broke, & publishing a bugfix ASAP

There is however, something wrong with making things/taking things personally

Can this thread be modified to off public focus i.e. hidden? - is there a way?

I've worked in the music industry with 'stars'

On stage they are heroes, offstage they can be a-holes

But the public remember the hero

So please lets keep this offstage drama just that

And keep everyone's, especially Puppy's reputation clean

Getting to number 2 @ Distrowatch can be achieved by bad press too, you know!

Thanks to both WhoDo & Rob - I value you both!

but for different reasons & don't see you 'in competition'

Whodo

I haven't voted because I don't think the question arises

You were asked by Barry & until that changes....roll with it

Aitch Smile

tronkel · Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 1067 Location: Vienna Austria

gerry wrote:

ecomoney · Posted: Fri 17 Apr 2009, 14:48 Post subject:

Hi Everyone, Im just stopping in on a friends laptop on the way to my next job. Ive had a good read, but dont have the time to reply to them all now. Ive got good answers prepared for all of them though! Wink

One quick point for now...
Maybe the point of this thread would be for Whodo to discover that community does want you to co-ordinate the releases, and re-releases when necessary. Maybe thats what I do, and thats why I shouldnt have my i.p banned.