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My emphasis in the last paragraph.ecomoney wrote: Greetings Whodo
Can I summarize from your previous message that 4.2 will be bugfixed when you "get round" to it? I find it incredible that you would allow a standard latest edition of puppy be available for weeks as our main offering with a faulty wordprocessor/printing system among other serious flaws. This is not right in "scunny" or anywhere else.
Ive searched the forum, puppylinux news, pupplinux.org etc and found no mention of 4.2.1 bugfix version, except Lobster mentioning he hoped for one in his podcast. These are the main puppy sites are they not?
May I ask you again, what is your timetable for updating the bugs in the current puppylinux release?
If I were to get together some of the other concerned developers (and there are quite a few), would the bugfixed 4.2CE become the main offering at puppylinux.org until 4.2.1 came out, if ever? If not it would be a fruitless exercise to our intended target audience.
Puppy Linux is too valuable a technology to be left in this condition for any length of time. Please inform me of your intentions regarding this, and the timescales of those intentions. If these are not imminent from yourself I am willing to take whatever steps necessary to ensure the current condition is rectified as soon as possible.
Yours Cordially
Robert Simpson
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That was prompted by the following exchange:
ecomoney wrote: ....and would love to have another stab at a community edition sometime if that were at all possible.
WhoDo wrote: Nike ... just do it!
ecomoney wrote: That would be fantastic.....I would start on the way. It would mean me breaking from my other-more personally beneficial-projects, but I would be happy to do that as long as I knew the ISO's up at www.puppylinux.org were going to be replaced. If I could get your official blessing to head up 4.2.1 then Im sure a lot of the other developers would love to get behind me and clear up the 4.2 problems/bugs, as long as I kept certain the unsavoury elements that were responsible for a lot of the bugs out of the process (Love and Peace will give you a fuzzy feeling inside...but anger will drive you onward Wink )
WhoDo wrote:Whoa! I didn't suggest taking on the next official release! I suggested building a CE version of 4.2 instead. Start with the 4.2 base, incorporate the patches and fixes and then add away to your own and the community's content with things like Office packs, extra applications, replacement programs such as maybe VLC instead of Gxine, etc. Keep it under 135Mb total and let your head go with things like Window manager, themes, etc.
ecomoney wrote: To clarify my offer, my main and dear wish is to get the 4.2 iso's down as the official release as soon as possible. I would be willing to contact some of the developers with expertise in certain areas to get the "bling" back into "deeper thought V2", as well as regress the versions of abiword to the "just works" version, as well as CUPS. My offer was simply to do the thread watching/PM'ing/co-ordination surrounding that. If there is somone already on a 4.2.1 then Im just as happy to help around that. Im just worried that I dont see any activity around the forum surrounding it...so I thought I would "just do it". Perhaps you would let me know who will be heading up the 4.2.1 version so I can offer my services?
With regards a CE version, I may still have a crack at that, but its not one of my aims right now, especially until a bugfixed 4.2 can be created.
---------------------------WhoDo wrote: So let me get this straight; I offered you a means to achieve your stated aims, but one that required YOU to do the work rather than someone else, and you declined saying that's "not one of my aims right now"? I'm sorry but you've had your opportunity (twice now) and you've blown it, Rob. There won't be another offer, at least not from me. As for your concerns about creating a "bugfixed 4.2", you can stop being concerned. That's my job and my decision. Your opinions, as valid as you may think them to be, are not universally shared and certainly not shared by me.
As can be seen from the exchange, ecomoney thought I was giving him permission to take over development of the official Puppy. I could not and would not take such a decision. The leadership of the official release program isn't mine to give away. That rightly remains a decision for Barry and the community at large. Barry supported me in taking on the 4.2 development coordination and I have offered to continue through 4.2.1 or 4.3 as the case may be UNLESS either Barry wants it back or the community nominates someone better qualified. That is still my position.
There has been a continuing campaign by ecomoney to DEMAND a bug-fixed release following 4.2 "immediately"(sic). I have repeatedly answered that is a policy decision and I have good reasons for NOT doing that at the moment. ecomoney still persists is trying to push his agenda on the release of official Puppy versions, culminating in his threat that if I don't comply with his wishes then he will "take whatever steps necessary to ensure the current condition is rectified as soon as possible".
I've been patient. I've been transparent about my reasons for taking the decisions I've taken. I have even offered ecomoney an opportunity, with my support, to correct his woeful record on actually DOING anything for the Puppy community rather than just his own community by building a 4.2CE the way he says the community wants Puppy to be.
I have finally had enough of the bully boy tactics. I have told Barry and I have made no secret of the fact that once coordinating Puppy ceases to be fun, then I will stop doing it. We are rapidly approaching that point. There is no fun in threats, however empty they may ultimately prove to be. It is now up to the community. I will step down as coordinator if that is the community's wish. OTOH, if the community does NOT wish me to step aside, I will take that as a mandate to continue my intended program of releases when I see fit, and not as ecomoney or any other individual thinks fit.
I have allowed 7 days for your decision. Either way, I will not be giving up my support for Puppy or its excellent crew of developers who in the main work away silently in the background and remain aloof from the politics and drama playing out elsewhere. I don't want this to be a case of "support me or I'm taking my marbles and going home" style of poll. I will remain a firm defender of Puppy and the community no matter what the decision.