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big_bass

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Jan 2010, 13:25    Post subject:  

SlaxerPup_Uninstaller version 1-7-2010 with a GUI

this is the complement to the installer
the uninstaller

the default is remove nothing so it is safe to
click on it

works for the pets and tgz

how I will do this is by date and code number
so it will be easy to keep track of


for some reason you wanted to uninstall
any of the packages the auto installer installed
(there is no need to do so but you could )

you now have a GUI to do it also

note: removing required packages will break things
but since this is linux you have the right to add
or remove what you want when you want

use with care for advanced users


as you will discover everything gets registered
with pet get and pkgtools

without the new package management

keeping things simple


Joe
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Aitch


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jan 2010, 10:57    Post subject:  

Nice, Joe

btw, have you noticed Slack official [up to 13.0] is now ported [12.2] to the ARM architecture

http://www.slackware.com/

& Slackintosh 12.1 is catching up to Official....

http://workaround.ch/

So, my question is, are you going to attempt adding either ARM or PPC ports/support [or both Wink ] to your wonderful creation?

It would be a first for any Puppy if you did!

Anyhow, keep on trucking, Joe, Very Happy

Oo! nearly forgot, I had a box the other day, which wouldn't run slaxer_pup xorg...
I think it was i810 chipset, but I was at a friend's and in a hurry, so used 214R instead, which ran ok, - when I go back there I'll get more details
Also, I miss Bubbles & Gemgame..... Laughing .....not a problem, until I tried to install....they wouldn't run?? .....any suggestions?

thanks

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big_bass

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jan 2010, 15:13    Post subject:  

Hey Aitch


In time other builds will be possible
there are a a few steps that need to be achieved first
and I am on that road

(I left but havent arrived )

anything that doesnt fit well with the true linux way to share and build
keeping things transparent as possible
will be removed or replaced with standard practices

I know this is a process but the end result is
people will have more freedom
and free time


because following standard practices
allows you to honor the past work of so many talented people
who built so many great programs and wrote documentation




Joe

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amigo

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Jan 2010, 17:41    Post subject:  

Joe and Aitch, I am up to around 500 packages now with kiss -all of X and the development stuff, plus all the rellay basic packages needed for booting. The scripts I am using are usable on x86, x86_64, ppc, arm -whatever...
I gather that Joe is taking care to collect sources and script the builds for puppy-specific programs -at least I hope so.

kiss is using glibc-2.11.1, gcc-4.4.2, gtk-2.19.1, xorg-7.5-ish, so I am staring from a very up-to-date base. I have written a tool which uses the abundant info from src2pkg dependency files(generated with each package build) to create a build-order for the whole distro or parts of it. I'm using a package format like slackware, but highly modified databse through the addition of extra files which make it possible to track dependencies both ways, md5sums of all files installed and other kewlness. The last couple of days I've been hacking on 'spkg' which is a clone of the slackware pkgtools, but written in C. It runs *much* faster (up to 30 times faster at removing packages). I'm getting close to staring work on the installer, so an installer CD can be created -that'll give you guys something to work with while I go on and start creating the ppc version.

BTW, the slackware arm port has been around for several years -but it only recently got adopted as an official port. Unfoirtunately, it uses its' own build system. Most of AlienBobs SlackBuilds for the 64-bit version have been rolled into the 32-bit tree so that at least those two trees are using a common set of scripts. But any ports to other arches implies re-working all the scripts again to make them work on another arch. This is what my src2pkg scripts are supposed to avoid. Adding another arch just means adding a few lines to src2pkg itself and not to each of hundreds of scripts.
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jan 2010, 07:47    Post subject:  

Quote:
.....because following standard practices
allows you to honor the past work of so many talented people
who built so many great programs and wrote documentation



Joe, totally agree Very Happy

however.....

Great stuff, amigo - Your methods, knowledge, and ability continue to astound me Very Happy

& here I sit with baited breath, [it says here Wink Laughing ]

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jan 2010, 12:12    Post subject:  

Did you mean 'bated' breath, or have you been snacking around in the tackle department of the local sporting goods store?

I hope you don't lose faith or patience -I'm not a perfectionist, but I like to have my 'ducks in a row' before I start releasing things on the innocent public... After 5 years releaing versions of src2pkg, no one has had there systems borked or lost any data due to using it -even though there are several places where that really dangerous command 'rm -rf *' gets run.
You have a ppc machine, right? Is it an old-world iMac or what?
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big_bass

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PostPosted: Tue 19 Jan 2010, 14:47    Post subject:  

This is an odd post for me since it very rare for me to have any need to run windows apps

but I was at a cyber cafe today and my Slaxer_pup CD got scratched
and wouldnt boot so downloaded the ISO and installed this
little freeware program and it was easy and worked perfectly
so thumbs up to them Cool


freeware iso burner for windows now no excuse to burn the cd
only burn linux cd's please Laughing

http://www.freeisoburner.com/
Version: 1.2
Release Date: 20-Jan-2009
File Size: 800 KB


Joe

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jan 2010, 13:33    Post subject:  

Gilbert

This is a little story to visualize how long I have been dealing with this
"package" disorder



My first Job many years ago when I was 15

was working in a furniture store (what does that have to do with linux Laughing ) be patient

since I was young and strong I was the one who did the warehouse
work well It didn't take me long to see that the total chaos of working in an unorganized place was killing me causing me to do much more work than needed to be done

so I took it upon my self to organize the entire warehouse
many heavy large boxes myself little by little
and I had let everyone else know what was the plan and why it was important to have things in order

well long story made short I found lost pieces of furniture sets
and made the owner very happy because he made alot of money
because of my efforts


and If I spent one tenth of one percent of the time I have spent trying to unravel puppy and put that effort into something else already based on sound linux practices

I could build a distro from a just a text package list in minutes Laughing


something just came back to my memory
I saw an old man moving a very heavy box unloading a truck
and had a vision and saw myself in his place Shocked
if I didnt get out of there soon the next day I signed up
to study electronics


is history speaking again ?

Joe

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jan 2010, 12:43    Post subject:  

well just a report
the above post was a bit of a cause and effect of what
happens in the real world
how people end up working harder then needed


and that I am more interested in getting packages organized and built correctly for the long term gain it brings than the short term
of just pumping out a new iso *or even less trying a different iso every week*

I do know this is a tedious process

what I need is an OS I can keep updated and solid
thats what was the motive to slaxer_pup and still is

pets will be the alien package format
they could still be installed at your risk

but the *tgz format will be the standard and it will also be built a package at a time from source

so that rebuilding from packages will be just like any standard linux
OS

what I mean here is its really straight forward to build with
tgz packages compared to building with pets (for me )
I hope thats not taken as a negative its just my personal experience

and if you tried the downloader /updater you would see that its easy to have everything install for you even if you never used the tgz format

and since everyone else has different versions and packages
it is easier to sort out the needed packages

mostly all this is to allow more people to
get in the game and have fun

Joe

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jan 2010, 07:32    Post subject:  

Well, we are working two ends of the same thing, I'd say -assuming you are concentrating on add-on packages. I am going through all the base packages and doing exactly the same as you. Of course, all the base packages for slackware (and many extras) already have their SlackBuild scripts. But I am converting everything to the src2pkg format so that all my eggs are in one basket.
of course it is a tedious job, but as you mention, it really saves lots of work in the long run because rebuilding for a new architecture becomes pretty trivial and upgrading to newer versions of packages is really trivial.
To put it simply, it is not enough to have created a package -especially when it is not starightforward. Anyone who regularly creates packages will know that after a couple of days one doesn't remember all of what one did to create the package, so the best way to keep a record of that is to script the whole thing -making notes on a blog or in a forum posting is a really lame way to keep a record of it...
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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jan 2010, 13:40    Post subject:  

Gilbert

Quote:
we are working two ends of the same thing


Like when building a railroad from east to west

when they meet you drive the golden spike

don't ask me to explain the details just yet but that's what I see

Joe

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Jan 2010, 14:43    Post subject:  

La estaca dorada -I like that! Did I ever tell you Joe, that my original intent with my old amigolinux distro was to make a Mexican-speaking Linux? I'm attaching the WDM login image for your enjoyment.
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan 2010, 17:24    Post subject:  

Hey, amigo

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bai1.htm

mea culpa.....

tuxmex

I like eet Wink

Be careful where you drive that estaca dorada, don't want any mishaps Wink Laughing


I like the philosophy you both seem to be applying & hope the extra effort is shown in the support you both [will] get... Very Happy

[btw, I have a couple of 6320@120mhz old world macs, OS 7 and a couple of G4s@450mhz&1.2ghz OS 10.3.7, awaiting Tiger/Slackintosh/PuppyPPC Very Happy
- apart from shedloads of other stuff... Embarassed Laughing ]

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JustGreg

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Jan 2010, 14:01    Post subject:  

Hi Big Bass,

I see that you did your usual excellent work. I tried Slaxer_Pup 4.1.2 on three different system. They are:
My Desktop, a Cybernet Celeron based system
the 2goPc, a second generation Intel Classmate Netbook
and Acer Aspire One Netbook.

It worked well. It even handled the Acer Aspire One acpi configuration that was a major pain for me with Puppy 4.3.1. The video resollutions were detected and properly setup. No mouse problems were found. The web cameras of the netbook was detected and properly set up A test with videoview was successful.

The only problem area was with the Wifi devices. The Cybernet and 2goPc use the RT73USB chip set. Slaxer installed the module rt2500usb instead. But, using rmmod rt2500usb, followed by modprobe rt73usb allowed the wifi device to operate normally. With the Apsire One, the wifi was completely missing. The need module ath5k is not in the diistribution.

It looks good. Thank you for making it available.

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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb 2010, 19:33    Post subject:  

Hey JustGreg


Thanks for the report and I will add in some more support
to include the modules needed as add on packages

Joe

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