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Hello,
Well, Ive been working for a while on a Pup for Photography / Graphic Arts
Currently I`m at RC-2 (See page 4 for update details)


P.A.W. The Puppy Linux "Photo Artists Workshop"..
Based on Puppy 4.12 retro...
ISO is 354mb..
MD5sum: ae70ff099b7a30021a916d98d4e1c3cf PAW_RC-2.iso

Username: puppy
Password: linux

512mb RAM /(Or a Swap File/Partition) Strongly recommended......

Included are:

Enhanced JWM with Xcompmgr, fading and transparency, and rounded corners..

Blender...`3-D graphics engine`
Blenderplayer
Bluefish w/Python...`wysiwyg HTML/Web Page editor`
The Gimp 2.6.3...`Superb Image Manipulation Software`
Gimp Animation plugin
Gimp ufraw plugin
Gimphoto....`Image viewer`
Gimageview.....`Image viewer`
Fotoxx....`Image viewer`
Gpicview...`Image viewer`
Gtkam.... `Digital Camera Manager`
Phatch....`Batch Image Editor`
Python 2.5
Mtpaint 3.2.1...`Image Editor`
Inkscape...`Vector Graphics`
Rawstudio...`Raw Format Image Manager`
Scribus....`Desktop Publishing
Terragen (in Wine)...`Landscape Generator`
Wings 3D...`3-D Graphics Generator`
Xpaint...`Image Editor
as well as:
Firefox 2.0.12 w/flash9
Gxine 0.5.11 with codecs
Mplayer from SVN (no gui)
PawTV
Conky / Pwidgets
Xscreensaver
PuppyBasic Screensaver
CPU power scaler
Streamtuner
Pmusic
Gslapt...

The ISO is at my link below...
Let me know what you think...

Hi Jay,

I put this on .ca but the md5sum isn't matching.

Would you check your original and post the md5um here..ty..then I'll do mine again on .ca.

Eric

Eric,
D/L from .asia and crosschecked the md5`s..Alls good on this end..
Matches the original..
baf76dbb43a0eee8c7c4ddbd8db8a875 PAW-412.iso

Ok Jay,

Hooray..we have a winner...all matched up now.

That's weird as I use wget -c to do the transfer...maybe the upload wasn't complete on .asia.

Eric

Composite Information:

From http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 64&t=39162
Refer there for more information on compositing in JWM

Here are the steps to enable composite (for transparency/translucency):
First install one of the following:

xcompmgr-1.1.4.tar.gz
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=15590
(This comes pre-installed in PAW, no need to install it)

Or, if you prefer:
kcompmgr-2.02.tar.gz
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... h&id=15589

Then:

1. Add the Section/EndSection below to your xorg.conf (at the end of it also works)

Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection
This is the only step necessary for PAW...

2. Add one of these to .xinitrc before "rox -p /root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin"

kcompmgr -n & # basic composite & transparency

-or-

kcompmgr -I 0.05 -O 0.15 -f -n & # composite, fade-in/out & transparency

-or-

xcompmgr -n & # basic composite & transparency

-or-

This is the default, already added....
xcompmgr -I 0.05 -O 0.15 -f -n & # composite, fade-in/out & transparency

Then you must restart X....

I've seen many multimedia Pups. But most were video or music oriented.

Seems like PAW is the one I have been waiting so long.

I hope that you consider adding Wings 3D and /or K3D with / without Blender.

(I do know K3D has many dependencies. It's a big job)

I tried Blender but I came from 3DS Max, Nendo and Maya. So Maya like K3D interface or Nendo like Wings 3D is more familiar.

I know there is memory restrictions but most computers today come with minimum 1GB RAM.

Even 2D artist needs 3D composition more often than not.

Some even use 3D just for video post or composition fuction in XSI.

Please take this suggestion into account. Thanks.

John S

Hello,
Blender and Wings and XaraXL huh?? OK
Still working on Phatch....

puppyluvr

good to see your focus on art

did you use the gimp photo I made up for tttuxxx?
there will be a new mtpaint soon so follow the thead

artist and musicians always welcomed with me

this is a good focus

big_bass

You also left out Xara Xtreme, that was pretty good, the older kompozer was good for web, Not the newer one I release version 2, that was buggy, and probably filezilla. A lot of people who do graphics also build webpages and uses ftp, Puppies gftp is ok, I compiled the one in 4.2 and that looks really nice:) but most use Filezilla. I never use Gftp just filezilla, maybe because they do like 12 security updates a year where as Gftp upgrades like once every bluemoon:)
Anyways very interesting project, any icon editors? Or batch image resizer programs? They are handy for artist, When I have to batch resize I usually go to the wifes pc and use Photoshop cs3. I do have a kde version that works really well but its a lot of fat just to resize like 30 images at once.
ttuuxxx

XaraLX would be nice
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 538#277538

My stay in SE London comes to end tomorrow
I used Puppy +
mtpaint (scaling and enhancing images)
Gimp (Church montage)
Composer (web page)
and fottox (panaroma)
for this website of pics
http://www.tmxxine.com/dw/

Do not have a DVD burner - will check out your efforts when I get home

Hello,
@ Ttuuxxx, Yes, XaraXL is going to be there too, (see above screen)
As for Batch Editing, The intended program, Phatch, is a pain..But It`ll get in there too...Building a working Phatch is what started this in the first place...
Have a couple of Pups with it working, but still working on this one..
WXpython doesnt seem to install where Phatch looks for it..I`ve just got to remember how I got around it before..LOL..Shoulda took notes....
As for icon editors, IDK of any...But I`ll add `em iffn I finds `em...

Still, currently <250mb...so I have a little room left...
I`m saving each version as I go for a future "Lite" setup..
But this one can get pretty big, as most machines you`d want to do this kind of stuff, should have enough ram...
Maybe a "Tiny Paw" for older, more limited hardware, IDK...
Open to suggestions, comments and critics...

Puppyluvr, How about a modular approach if you are constraint by size problem?

Woof, Tinycore, ChoicePup all employ some kind of modular approach, meaning that only core boots up and connect and disconnect necessary applications.

ChoicePup's attaching/detaching fully built up sfs is a great way to be free from iso size problem and memory limitation.

There are many wonderful Puppies but I couldn't use them beacuse I ran out of RAM(Kernel panic, out of memory error). Unlike my wife's notebook, mine is old and has 256MB RAM. That's the reason it gets error message. I am planning to buy a new one with at least 1 GB RAM. Til then a modular approach like choicePup or at least using sfs is better for my old computer.

Although it requires installing many dependencies, K3D is more like modern 3D program. Blender reminds me animator Pro(DOS) when I started learning 3D Studio R3(DOS). The user interface turns people away.

I have found that there are K3D debian package as well as slackware package in Slax 609 module (lzm) I think you could covert the debian pac to pet(det2pet.pet)

Knowing Wings 3D is included in PAW, it became one of the most anticipated Puppies. Good work, Puppyluvr.

John S

Hello,
Well, here we go...
P.A.W. beta-01...
Known bugs...
Xara listed in menu twice...
Firefox listed in Menu as Firefox 3...Not!!! FF3 is buggy, this is FF2...W/Flash..........IDK why it says 3...

Additional Software:
Blender
ImageMagik
Wings3D
XaraXL
And....Pidgin.....Forgot it 1st time round..
Some Python stuff..(in preparation for Phatch)

324MB........
MD5sum:
6dedc2fe42dd1e97cfaad67d1ada2082 PAW_beta-01.iso

Goals for Beta stage....PHATCH!!! / Bugsquashing...
Scanner and Printer support...
Looking at slimming a little where possible...
Phatch will put it at 350 or so....
Hey, 324mb is big..but look at whats in it......
Full Install, it runs in 256mb..Frugal / Pupsave you`ll need 512 or more or a swap file / partition...
1st Test/Build machine P4 1.8gh 768/ram ATI 7500 video...
2nd Test machine P3-600 w/384 ram i810 video bcm43 wireless..
Works well on both...

A "Lite" Edition is a definite need now, with a few SFS "modules"...
So.....Another learning curve.....
My mind hurts....

Hi, I'm watching this thread very excitedly! can't wait til it's complete. I'm not qualified to help really but the one question I would ask is have you given any thought to color management? I've been struggling with this in Ubuntu. I guess, due to it's Unix heritage, Linux doesn't have as much consideration for color management. this is rapidly changing but currently is still over my head to get put together and set up.
also I wasn't able to dl the beta from the .asia server, and it isn't on the .ca server.
should I wait til you get past beta, or is it running well enough for a novice like me to make use of it now?
thanks soo much!!!
Scott

Hello,
Well, Here we go again!!
PAW beta2....
Additional software:
Cups
Sane w/front and back ends
Bluefish w/Python
Scribus
RawStudio
Blender Player
Ghostscript
ufraw batch plugin
ufraw gimp plugin
wxgtk
Many libs....


Fixed Menus, but now have Scribus twice... (Will fix later)
348mb...
MD5sum: f9ae829f315e5bf6abdd8009e7681da0 PAWbeta2.iso

Can't access the file. Asks for a password.

37fleetwood,
Scott,
Thanks..And yes, thats what beta is for...Please use, test, and critique..
PAW is stable, except maybe the compositing in JWM..which you can easily turn off, leaving just the rounded window corners..
Please, Test away..

Known issues/bugs:
Tested on ATI and i810 video..I have no access to an Nvidia machine...so...
While in composite mode, I have had the menu freeze on screen. Its a latent image, and doesnt affect functionality..I just restart X...
I have not yet been able to test Cups / Sane due to lack of a Linux friendly printer / scanner...
Some testing on importing / exporting of images between programs / formats is needed, What Ive tried so far has worked fine...
IDK enough about Blender or Wings to test them much, help is needed...

I am testing OO and OxygenOffice SFS`s for compatibility (ie..inport / export to / from Impress and Draw..), and will post a link to the most compatible one here..

Thanks...Jay...

wosifat,
User: puppy
Password: linux

Thanks puppyluvr,
I finally got the beta2 downloaded and booted fine. looks great but I didn't get a chance to play with it. maybe soon. hoping you get Phatch worked out, I use it often in Ubuntu. also for those interested, Photoshop 7 (CS1) works fine in wine as does Photoshop Elements 7. the newer CS versions are more problematic. G.I.M.P is every bit as good as Photoshop 7, however CS 4 is a huge jump foreward. I'm hoping wine advances soon to get full support for Adobe stuff, also hoping G.I.M.P. steps up to the plate.
Happy Easter everyone!
Scott

Hello,
Happy Easter everyone..

OK, the "final" count::

##########PAW beta 3 / RC 1##########
PAW_beta3.iso....349mb
MD5sum:4ac5e1fdba8c1bcd5324a89dc721a17c PAW_beta3.iso

http://puppylinux.asia/members/Puppyluvr/PAW_beta3.iso

Username: puppy
Password: linux

Included are:

Enhanced JWM with Xcompmgr, fading and transparency, and rounded corners..

The Gimp 2.6.3
Gimp ufraw plugin
Gimphoto
Gimageview
Phatch
Fotoxx
Gpicview
Gtkam
Mtpaint 3.2.1
Inkscape
XPaint
Blender
Blender Player
ImageMagik
Wings3D
XaraXL
Cups
Sane w/front and back ends
Bluefish w/Python
Scribus
RawStudio
Ghostscript
wxgtk
ufraw batch plugin
BlueJay JWM theme
Wine
Terragen (in Wine)
as well as:
Firefox 2.0.12 w/flash9
Gxine 0.5.11 with codecs
Gxine plugin for Firefox
Latest Mplayer from SVN (no gui)
PupTV
Conky / Pwidgets
Xscreensaver
Gslapt
CPU Scaler
Streamtuner
Pmusic
Many added libs....

Changes from beta 2:
Added Phatch
Added XPaint
Fixed menu entries
Slimmed down a few mb...

Testers needed...Especially ImageMagick, as IDK how to use it...LOL..Is there a GUI???? Did I miss something???
Thanks, Jay...