ecomoney wrote:My "nowhere near good enough" comment related to the quote of Ttuxxx's reply directly above it, not to your work Whodo.
Ok, I've calmed down a tad now. The "nowhere near good enough" comment was simply the trigger. It devalued the work of a lead developer who had laboured day and night to help bring this release into being, and your off-the-cuff criticism belittled all of that effort with a single, glib one-liner.
That is what upset me; that and the presumptuous comment about rushing out a 4.2.1 release because of the effect this one problem had on you and your clients, deserving though they may be.
ecomoney wrote:I noticed my name was put on the list of the testing team in the
release notes, I dont know why as I was not asked nor did I request it by you or anyone else.
No-one needed to "ask" - coolpup compiled the list of helpers from those who had posted on the forum, either by testing or suggesting changes. That's where you came in.
ecomoney wrote:In the social sectors I do most, often things *are* "life threatening". The twenty year old girl who I had crying on my shoulder today weighs just six and a half stone/91lb, as a result of an eating disorder brought on by the stress of potentially losing the home she has lived in for the last eight years. Not being able to open the letters to the Housing Authority she had been preparing on Microsoft Word all night didnt help.
My sympathy to the young lady. All the same, what I was referring to was requests like a link to the root level of the drive. Important in some circles, yes, but not "life threatening". There were a number of issues you saw fit to post more than once in the forum AND PM me about to ensure your voice was heard. Bravo for getting your way, but to turn around and criticise the end product as "not good enough"
... I'll stop there because I'm getting hot under the collar again.
ecomoney wrote:Did you check that you had received good positive feedback about the new recompiled (and therefore suspect) Abiword package you had recieved from Ttuxxx? Did you test it yourself? If it hadnt been tested it shouldnt have been included "period", a writing tool is not a "nice to have" its a necessity.
Now, see, here we go again with the "attitude"! No, I didn't test every new package included to the
nth degree; that's what the alpha, beta and RC versions are meant to give people like YOU the chance to do! Why aren't you booting your own keester for not finding this bug instead of kicking ttuuxxx and me who brought it to you in the first place?
I sure as heck don't think that the "project leader" who
hasn't produced a single release (what happened to 3.02CE again?) should be allowed to criticise the processes of a project leader who
has released the single most successful CE version (2.15CE) and the most sought after Standard version (4.2 - check Distrowatch) of this mighty little distro, do you?
ecomoney wrote:I dont want to detract from your good work WhoDo,
But you are, Rob; and not just mine but a whole host of other community members who contributed to the very best of their ability.
ecomoney wrote:I recognise you are a volunteer like the rest of us, and human with it. Humans make mistakes. There is a lot of well earned backslapping going on about 4.2, but also to be the best we can be then mistakes need to be recognised, rectified as soon as possible, and steps taken to ensure they are not repeated.
If a mistake was made then you are correct. I'm not so sure a mistake was made; at least in the sense that any "gamble" was taken with this release. Like I said, 4 Alphas, 2 Betas and 4 RCs ought to be considered a reasonable test program. We could go on testing and testing and testing, but we both know nothing will ever be "perfect". Sooner or later you have to either poop or get off the pot!
ecomoney wrote:A more thorough testing schedule with a ticklist, and perhaps a person invited to oversee testing formally for future releases would be a good idea.
Here we go again with that 20/20 hindsight of yours. What the hell do you think MY role was in this release, hmmm?
ecomoney wrote:Whether you want to call the fix a point1 update, a bugfix or a service patch makes about as much difference as whether you call something an alpha, beta, release candidate or whatever. You could just regress abiword it and overwrite the copies and MD5Sums on the server for most people they dont care as long as it works. What is important is that you FIX IT SOON!!!!
No, what is important is that if you want the right to decide what's important and what isn't, DO SOMETHING TO EARN IT! *Sheesh* Now I'm p!$$ed off all over again!
..... Time for my nanna nap!