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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Mon 27 Apr 2009, 23:05    Post subject:  

Getting the SCIM configuration box to show up wasn't the problem. That part would run okay even before I replaced the GTK with the one I compiled in 4.1.2. The problem is that what's supposed to happen once you have SCIM installed and have restarted, is that whenever you launch a SCIM-compatible program (such as Geany), then the SCIM icon will show up in the program tray. Also, once that happens, you're supposed to be able to press the combination CTRL+SPACE, and a sort of mini-toolbar-tray deal will show up in the bottom left that lets you choose which language you want to input, and when you type, it will be functional. Here, I'll take some screenshots to show you.

You'll see two screenshots from 4.1.2, showing the icon that appeared when I opened a Geany, and the tray that appears when I press CTRL+SPACE. The third screenshot is using the SCIM you just provided in 4.2, but using the GTK that I compiled in 4.1.2. When I tried those same pacakges with the GTK that you compiled in 4.2, the icon never appeared, and even if I manually start the SCIM, that tray won't appear when I press CTRL+SPACE.

The behavior with your copy of GTK is exactly like the behavior with the version of GTK that was included in 4.2, which was the one I'd originally compiled several months ago.


Whether I use the SCIM you provided or the older package I originally tested with makes no difference. So the problem is in GTK, not SCIM.



No, we don't need the --debug option. It turns out that it was unnecessary. I gave you the exact same ./configure line that I used when compiling the version of GTK that I compiled in 4.1.2 and showed working in my screenshot.

Something is not right.
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 Description   4.1.2. You can see the extra SCIM tray that appeared when I pressed CTRL+SPACE, and
how it let me type hiragana (the exact letters I pressed to type were "tabemono" which were
translated into the hiragana "ta, be, mo, and no")
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 Description   4.2. This is using ttuuxxx's version of SCIM and my version of GTK (as the one he compiled
will not do this). You can again see the SCIM tray that appeared after opening Geany and
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 04:40    Post subject:  

this file (did not come up in Seamonkey incidentally) but the Skipstone browser used it:
file:///usr/share/doc/home.htm

Anyway minor point from using 4.2.1RC
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 05:09    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
this file (did not come up in Seamonkey incidentally) but the Skipstone browser used it:
file:///usr/share/doc/home.htm


works fine in puppies 4.2, you have to post it in a url in seamonkey because of missing mime.
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 07:51    Post subject:  

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Ok I just tried it on puppies 4.2 and luckily thats the base I'm using, because I don't have that issue Smile
But 4.2.1 does, so lets narrow down the differences, they both have the abiword update, This one has the recompiled gtk2 and I think that version has a similar patch. This one doesn't have Pwidgets, hmm thats It it must be Pwidgets, better get rid of the quick WhoDo, lol Just kidding guys. Wait a minute I didn't ask which version is he using? the Broken abiword in 4.2 or the fixed version in 4.2.1?

Master Wrong which version of puppy are you using?
ttuuxxx


Hi tuxxx
I just tried the puppy 4.2 without the patch and the result is also error ????

this is the picture
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 08:02    Post subject:  

Master_wrong wrote:
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Ok I just tried it on puppies 4.2 and luckily thats the base I'm using, because I don't have that issue Smile
But 4.2.1 does, so lets narrow down the differences, they both have the abiword update, This one has the recompiled gtk2 and I think that version has a similar patch. This one doesn't have Pwidgets, hmm thats It it must be Pwidgets, better get rid of the quick WhoDo, lol Just kidding guys. Wait a minute I didn't ask which version is he using? the Broken abiword in 4.2 or the fixed version in 4.2.1?

Master Wrong which version of puppy are you using?
ttuuxxx


Hi tuxxx

i think i know where the bug was...

I just try the fresh abiword without the patch and the result wasss........ ok, no error ????

the patch i was talking about was
abiword-2.6.3-updated.pet

thank you


do you have a pupsave file or something, because if you take 4.2 and add that patch it should work perfectly, Thats what I applied in 4.2 puppies and it works fine, I'm sure 4.2.1 must work also because there's no complaints, so I think you might have some sort of saved settings somewhere. i just can't reproduce the same error using 4.2 and the patch.
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 10:00    Post subject:  

sorry tuxxx, i edit my post please see the pic, I try the abiword-2.6.3-updated.pet... is it the right patch ?

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 10:48    Post subject:  

UPDATE !!!!

select all and changing font to dejavu sans correct the problem !
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janusz0

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 15:14    Post subject: sound and IBM X30  

In Puppy 4.1.2 sound was ok on my old IBM X30 laptop.
In 4.2 there is a problem. ALSA config seems to detect sound card properly, but I cannot get any sound (only sometimes half of first second of sound can be heard).
What differences between Puppy 4.1.2 and 4.2 sound subsystem could be the reason of this problem?
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 21:21    Post subject:  

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Ok I just tried it on puppies 4.2 and luckily thats the base I'm using, because I don't have that issue Smile
But 4.2.1 does, so lets narrow down the differences, they both have the abiword update, This one has the recompiled gtk2 and I think that version has a similar patch.


hi Tuxxx,

please check if editing " /root/.AbiSuite/templates/normal.awt " and changing font to

"font-family:DejaVu Sans; "

can solve the problem ? because i solve the problem that way... maybe just some sort of font bug Confused
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Tui

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PostPosted: Wed 29 Apr 2009, 05:06    Post subject: Wireless cards won't go!  

I have just put this version of Puppy on a machine for my wife,
and I can't get it to detect the wirless cards that I have got.

One card is a D-Link WDL-G520 and the other a WG 311V3

The WDL-G520 came out of a machine that has Puppy V2.17 and it has been
going ok.

Where do I look for this problem ?

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2009, 04:23    Post subject:  

Pizzasgood
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Getting the SCIM configuration box to show up wasn't the problem. That part would run okay even before I replaced the GTK with the one I compiled in 4.1.2. The problem is that what's supposed to happen once you have SCIM installed and have restarted, is that whenever you launch a SCIM-compatible program (such as Geany), then the SCIM icon will show up in the program tray. Also, once that happens, you're supposed to be able to press the combination CTRL+SPACE, and a sort of mini-toolbar-tray deal will show up in the bottom left that lets you choose which language you want to input, and when you type, it will be functional. Here, I'll take some screenshots to show you.

You'll see two screenshots from 4.1.2, showing the icon that appeared when I opened a Geany, and the tray that appears when I press CTRL+SPACE. The third screenshot is using the SCIM you just provided in 4.2, but using the GTK that I compiled in 4.1.2. When I tried those same pacakges with the GTK that you compiled in 4.2, the icon never appeared, and even if I manually start the SCIM, that tray won't appear when I press CTRL+SPACE.

The behavior with your copy of GTK is exactly like the behavior with the version of GTK that was included in 4.2, which was the one I'd originally compiled several months ago.


Whether I use the SCIM you provided or the older package I originally tested with makes no difference. So the problem is in GTK, not SCIM.



No, we don't need the --debug option. It turns out that it was unnecessary. I gave you the exact same ./configure line that I used when compiling the version of GTK that I compiled in 4.1.2 and showed working in my screenshot.

Something is not right.


Hello, I have the same problem I guess: puppy 4.1 and scim configuration working but nothing is hapening when I launch SCIM-compatible programs. I can't understand what I need to do, changing my version of GTK?
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2009, 19:22    Post subject: Probably possible to use Tiny Core tce's in Puppy
Subject description: with some care regarding libs and compilation versions
 

Master_wrong wrote:
I hate to say this but... more abiword bug...

copying from seamonkey into abiword can create mess if there is table or special character etc.


I wonder if the Tiny Core Linux people are about to face the same difficulties with Abiword. They have just produced their first Abiword official TC extension: http://tinycorelinux.com/forum/index.php?topic=1339.0
It is the newer version 2.6.8 of Abiword.

TC's extensions (dottce's) are, like dotpets, tar.gz archives. I have thus been trying out some Puppy series 4 compilations running under TC, as a (successful) experiment - including Abiword 2.6.3: http://tinycorelinux.com/forum/index.php?topic=1330.0

[I realise that some people frown on inter-mixing parts from different distributions, and there are certainly some technical dangers... but generally I think that the open source movement, more generally, benefits from cross-fertilization].

It might thus be relatively be easy to use the current TC Abiword 2.6.8 with Puppy, except you probably also need to use the associated Abiword-related libraries (also available as dottce extensions in TC). Whether that messy procedure would reveal or fix all the current Puppy Abiword bugs (or help with printing problems) is an unknown matter to me however.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2009, 00:55    Post subject: Tiny Core Linux Abiword 2.6.8 DOES read docx files  

I just tried reading a Word docx format file in the new Tiny Core compilation of Abiword version 2.6.8
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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2009, 02:27    Post subject: Abiword fantastic  

I'm afraid I had to edit my previous post. Turns out that the Abiword package provided by TIny Core Linux works really well with Word 2007 docx format, and can save to pdf, LaTeX, and a host of other formats.

I therefore think that Ecomoney has a strong point. It is such a major application (only the web browser being probably more important) that the problems with it should surely have been noticed before any stable Puppy release. Clearly it being released with an unnoticed Abiword problem was a Puppy developer error (and not being able to read docx is a major bug, in this world dominated by Msoft documents - Abiword, properly installed clearly can read such documents).

Having said that, developers are only human, and errors and bugs (even ones that shouldn't have been missed really) do occur. They are all volunteers and enthusiasts and the most important thing is not to damage that enthusiasm by making harsh severe comments. I still think Puppy sometimes sets its sights too high; in terms of its development model, it IS a hobby system, even though it is so good that many users have long adopted it as their main desktop.

I certainly found it completely unacceptable when Ecomoney questioned ttuuxxx's mental health and made references to ttuuxxx's family situation; up until that point I didn't think Ecomoney's concerns were without warrant, but enough certainly was enough.

Yes, it is great that Puppy is SO good that Ecomoney has been able to reliably recommend it to his clients, but... such reliability is not something that Puppy developers can possibly guarantee; even though the chances are that Puppy always will tend towards such stability. If Puppy were not primarily a hobbyist system, then Ecomoney's demands would be reasonable, but it is a hobbyist system, regardless of its high expectations and standards (the same goes for Tiny Core and Slitaz, for example).

I do suggest the Puppy developers take an inside look at Tiny Core's abiword.tce extension and abiword-plugins.tce extension; they are just plain tar.gz archives, much like dotpets. In open source we should all benefit from each other's successes.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2009, 03:12    Post subject: Re: Abiword fantastic  

mcewanw wrote:
I'm afraid I had to edit my previous post. Turns out that the Abiword package provided by TIny Core Linux works really well with Word 2007 docx format, and can save to pdf, LaTeX, and a host of other formats.

I therefore think that Ecomoney has a strong point. It is such a major application (only the web browser being probably more important) that the problems with it should surely have been noticed before any stable Puppy release. Clearly it being released with an unnoticed Abiword problem was a Puppy developer error (and not being able to read docx is a major bug, in this world dominated by Msoft documents - Abiword, properly installed clearly can read such documents).

Having said that, developers are only human, and errors and bugs (even ones that shouldn't have been missed really) do occur. They are all volunteers and enthusiasts and the most important thing is not to damage that enthusiasm by making harsh severe comments. I still think Puppy sometimes sets its sights too high; in terms of its development model, it IS a hobby system, even though it is so good that many users have long adopted it as their main desktop.

I certainly found it completely unacceptable when Ecomoney questioned ttuuxxx's mental health and made references to ttuuxxx's family situation; up until that point I didn't think Ecomoney's concerns were without warrant, but enough certainly was enough.



Do you have a link to a tar.gz or pet etc? Or even better the repo, maybe the package manager, I tried looking at the site and well it kind of makes you run desktop appbrowser.
as for the other formats that don't work, I could fix that no problems, plus the deps look fine for puppy. Unlike if you would use Ubuntu or Debian it would be much larger.
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