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PostPosted: Thu 02 Apr 2009, 09:22    Post_subject: Re: Puppy 3.01  

zenfunk wrote:
There I am complaining in several posts that puppy doesn't have a big repository or a "propper" package manager- and then I learn that the 3.xx series can have slapt-get and even gslapt all along. Wink
I'm thinking a lot lately about changing my base to fat_free 3.01. Since slapt-get schould work better with the 3.xx series than the 4.xx series- is this an issue or can I run slapt-get on puppy 4.12 without much issue.
Are there any restrictions in using slapt in puppy?
Is the update of puppy system files possible via slapt?
Is the whole slackware 12 repository available?

Sounds all too good to be true- a full blown OS with puppies weight...

Thank you very much in advance for your insights.

Christian


For puppy 3 series we used Gslapt, that worked very well Smile
it also worked on 4 series but had some issues, like if you installed glibc from it or solibs etc that would cripple puppy 4.0.
But on series 3 you could install k3b, now thats a task and a have done with a few clicks. Most of my Fire Hydrant series is based on 3 series and comes with gslapt already installed, I also had a retro lite version that you can find on this forum.
You can find gslapt pet located
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=196585

or my Retro Fire Hydrant Lite 75.8MB 3 series
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31049

The rest of he Fire Hydrant 3.0 series can be found at www.ttuuxxx.com

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zenfunk

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Apr 2009, 04:56    Post_subject: Remasterin Probs  

OK, so I remastered my first alpha. On the Laptop it was developed all went well, but when I throw it in another PC it loads the initial ramdisk just fine, then searches for the pup_412.sfs and says It couldn't find it. I renamed my pupsfs to something like pup_412pulp.sfs.

After rerenaming it to pulp_412.sfs and building another iso with the following command

mkisofs -o pulp001.iso -l -b isolinux.bin -c boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table folderwheretheisofilesare/

I still get the above message.
when I copy the contents from the iso to the hd ten it boots ok.
It seems that the live cd only looks for the pup_412.sfs on the hd and not on the live cd itself.

Any hints about what could be done?

BTW I used the normal remaster script that is shipped with puppy barebones in the first place.

Thanks for your input, Christian
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zenfunk

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009, 19:47    Post_subject:  Version 0.02 is out  

Just to let you know, my first version 0.02 is finished. If anybody is interested, it could be obtained here:

http://flusslinie.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/pulp-the-ultralight-puplet/

Thanks for everybody who contributed.

If you find bugs, let me know, but I won't guarantee it will be fixed... Wink

Changes from Puppy barebones 4.12:

removed :
Blinky
freememapplet
xload
mixer

added:
emelfm
antiword
Ted
Firepup
HV3
Dillo
elinks
centerim
mplayer
xmms
xhippo
cmus
mp321
ogg123
htop
nano
gtkedit
xarchiver
tkzip
mtpaint
xnview (fast, proprietary, but free for non- commercial use)
epdfview
gpm
flash 9.xxx
gtkfind
pfind
and several small games I'm rather fond of...

Rox is not removed, but somewhat hidden. For the users who are used to puppy this is probably the biggest change from stock puppy. For your usual file juggling you can use emelfm. This file manager is magnitudes faster than rox, so it's worth giving it a try if you have a slow machine. I didn't remove rox completely because I didn't know if this would probably break something else.

One of the best finds was gtkedit. Extra tiny, extra fast. Apart from printing, it has the same functionality as leafpad. Leafpad starts on my machine in about 5 seconds, gtkedit is up and running in about one second- whohooo.
If you really want to print out a textfile- use leafpad- it is still there. The binary of gtkedit was taken from the sourceforge site. The proggie is GPL and the source code is there, nothing was changed.

The fastest picture viewer (with slideshow etc.) I could find was xnview. Unfortunately its not FLOSS, but free for non- commercial use. I'm looking desperately for a free alternative. Suggestions are very welcome.

Second best find was firepup (thanks again tuuxxxx). Firefox 1.5 with security updates up to 3.something. I have no real numbers, but it feels a tad quicker than stock firefox 3.xx.

If you are RAM or CPU challenged, use dillo or elinks for web browsing.
Elinks is text based, but surprisingly easy to use, even for a cli- noob like me. Just click on the links with your mouse as usual.

My old Laptop uses APM, so I used rxvt -e cat /proc/apm to give me an idea how much juice is left in my battery. Just click on the yellow battery symbol in the tray.

Sound volume is adjusted with alsamixer- just click on the speaker in the tray.

"Bugs":
After messing with the jwm- config The nice graphical configurator for jwm was broken. To change the themes you have to use the config files now.
Themes are in the /root/.jwm/themes folder.
copy those to /root/.jwm/jwmrc-theme
Background is set with JWM- config file (.jwmrc)
No desktop Icons since rox isn't running.
All these most likely won't get fixed, because they are somewhat responsible for a lot of ram and cpu cycle savings.
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2009, 13:07    Post_subject: Known bugs  

Known bugs:
Somehow the JWM config file wasn't included in PULP.

So, background has to be set with xsetroot in .xintit.
grrrr....
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2009, 15:42    Post_subject:  

Release notes for PULP 0.02

PULP is yet another puplet for older hardware.

The speed-ups are gained by stripping out eye candy and using smaller and faster applications than in stock Puppy.

leafpad replaced by gtkedit
seamonkey replaced by firepup/dillo/hv3/elinks
Abiword--> Ted
and so on and so on...


Some general apps:
Firepup (fully featured graphical browser)
gtkedit (editor)
Ted (Wordprocessor)
emelfm (Filemanager)


Multimedia applications:
XMMS
mplayer
alsamixer
xnview


CLI applications:
htop (system load monitor)
alsamixer
midnight commander
nano

If anybody is interested, PULP could be downloaded here:
http://flusslinie.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/pulp-the-ultralight-puplet/

Just rename the file from .doc to .iso.


Thanks for everybody who contributed.

If you find bugs, let me know, but I won't guarantee it will be fixed... Wink

Known bugs so far:
-somehow the JWM config file got messed up and the settings don't seem to stick the current workaround is to set the background through xsetroot in the .xinit
-hv3 doesn't work properly and gives funny error messages. Start up time is long anyways. I'll throw it out in the next version.

Detailed changes from Puppy barebones 4.12:

removed :
Blinky
freememapplet
xload
mixer

added:
emelfm
antiword
Ted
Firepup
HV3
Dillo
elinks
centerim
mplayer
xmms
xhippo
cmus
mp321
ogg123
htop
nano
gtkedit
xarchiver
tkzip
mtpaint
xnview (fast, proprietary, but free for non- commercial use)
epdfview
gpm
flash 9.xxx
gtkfind
pfind
and several small games I'm rather fond of...

File manager:
Rox is not removed, but somewhat hidden. For the users who are used to puppy this is probably the biggest change from stock puppy. For your usual file juggling you can use emelfm. This file manager is magnitudes faster than rox, so it's worth giving it a try if you have a slow machine. I didn't remove rox completely because I didn't know if this would probably break something else.

Texteditor:
One of the best finds was gtkedit. Extra tiny, extra fast. Apart from printing, it has the same functionality as leafpad. Leafpad starts on my machine in about 5 seconds, gtkedit is up and running in about one second- whohooo.
If you really want to print out a textfile- use leafpad- it is still there. The binary of gtkedit was taken from the sourceforge site. The proggie is GPL and the source code is there, nothing was changed.

Image viewer:
The fastest picture viewer (with slideshow etc.) I could find was xnview. Unfortunately its not FLOSS, but free for non- commercial use. I'm looking desperately for a free alternative. Suggestions are very welcome.

Browser:
Second best find was firepup (thanks again tuuxxxx). Firefox 1.5 with security updates up to 3.something. I have no real numbers, but it feels a tad quicker than stock firefox 3.xx.
If you are RAM or CPU challenged, use dillo or elinks for web browsing.
Elinks is text based, but surprisingly easy to use, even for a cli- noob like me. Just click on the links with your mouse as usual.

The usual system tray applications (aka: battery status indicator, sound mixer)
My old Laptop uses APM, so I used rxvt -e cat /proc/apm to give an idea how much juice is left in my battery. Just click on the yellow battery symbol in the tray.

Sound volume is adjusted with alsamixer- just click on the speaker in the tray.

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PostPosted: Mon 04 May 2009, 18:57    Post_subject: Finished PULP 0.03  

Release notes:
http://flusslinie.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/pulp-003-is-out/

Have fun with it,

Christian
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puppyiso


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PostPosted: Mon 04 May 2009, 21:53    Post_subject:  

Seems like an excellent work.

I have left a message on your board.

John S
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2009, 18:04    Post_subject:  

OK, I found a new file host. here is the link:

http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/69a1024598_90.7MB

I also added a tutorial for the file manager used in PULP- emelFM:

http://flusslinie.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/use-emelfm-like-a-pro/

An overview of the PULP Desktop can be found here:

http://flusslinie.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/the-pulp-desktop-in-detail/

Hope this is of interest to someone,

Christian
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2009, 21:49    Post_subject: Finally  

Hello, Christian

I finally downloaded your PULP. I had tried to download as doc file format a few times but none were successful.

Even this download had some problem but I got it at the end.

I will try out yours and tell you what I think. Reading your post is very interesting. Sounds like TurboPup but I had no way of knowing what's it like until I get it and test it.

Thank you for your effort to upload.

John
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PostPosted: Thu 04 Jun 2009, 23:33    Post_subject: Wow  

Having tried so many "Light, Barebone, Fat free" puppies, I am so excited to try PULP.

I had so much difficulty to download and I even thought this may not be a good one without trying.

I am posting and uploading this with PULP. Fast and real slimmed.

I wish this one gets expanded sfs acceptance upto 40 something.

Why don't all of us combine good qualities from ChoicePup, TurboPup and PULP?

But PULP itself is great. So light and swift. Very impressed. I don't know why you kept this in the closet so long.

John S
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Jun 2009, 01:14    Post_subject:  

Quote:
I am posting and uploading this with PULP. Fast and real slimmed.

I wish this one gets expanded sfs acceptance upto 40 something.

Why don't all of us combine good qualities from ChoicePup, TurboPup and PULP?

But PULP itself is great. So light and swift. Very impressed. I don't know why you kept this in the closet so long.
Thank you very much for the kind words. I'll be improving PULP constantly. Comparing PULP 0.03 with the 0.02 version shows how much improvement was achieved. Isosize from about 120 MB to 90 MB, better choice of programms, etc. I'm allmost ashamed now of having released 0.02. It looks really clunky now. Probably that's why I kept it for so long to myself.

After using PULP for a while now I'm still impressed about the speed, but after testing you will find many rough edges which have to be taken care for in the next version. .doc-file handling comes to my mind. Apart from something like antiword, the next less lightweight option seems to be abiword- which is way too heavy in my book.
xls- format works at least partly in siag- office, so this is somewhat taken care of.

If anyone knows about a lightweight alternative to antiword please come forward.

Thanks again for your quick feedback....
Christian
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Jun 2009, 09:43    Post_subject:  

Yes, Abiword is heavy and bulky. I tried CDLinux and it used to have abiword built in but not anymore. It now uses online editor.

For any English user, there won't be a problem.

As long as built in spelling checker and some basic editing functions, online editor could be a solution. If it works offline, it's even better.

I once had some interest in Puppxigen 3.0.3 "Antigua" LPPC Edition (Spanish). It claimed being fast and lightbut I have never been able to download the iso. I don't know how fast how well organized.

All I can say is that PULP is great. If you are interested in looking at Puppxigen 3.0.3 "Antigua" LPPC Edition, please check it out.

http://www.puppylinux.org/downloads/puplets/puppxigen-303-antigua-lppc-edition

The description;

This edition:
---> LPPC Edition (Low Power PC): For old stations or with limited resources.
30/05/09 SPPC Edition (Super Power PC): For standard stations >2000.
10/05/09 Mommy Edition: Easy edition for begginers or basic tasks.

Requirements: I have tested in a 16MB of ram and 300Mhz Intel Pentium processor machine,
with most acceptable results.

Some improvemets (i hope):

1. Spanish interface for hispanic users (also avialable in english if request)
2. New GTK-theme(Oxygen) Color-theme(Aurora) Cursor-theme (Oxygen) and Icon-theme(Aurora).
3. Some substitutions:
Pmusic ---> xmms
Gxine ---> VLC
fotoxx ---> Gpicview
mtpaint ---> Nathive
seamonkey ---> Midori
pburn ---> xfburn
mtpaint-screenshot ---> Xfce4-Screenshot
Pprocess ---> lxtask
and other
4. Some additions:
GiFT-ares pack for puppylinux
Xkill
Shutdown dialog
Puppy Control Panel (translated from pet package)
Menu modification (search, execute, help)
Games (ltris, AceOfPenguins, etc.)
Dillo (web explorer)
Wine 1...
Tvtime
pcursor
others.


John S
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PostPosted: Mon 08 Jun 2009, 18:58    Post_subject:  

Somebody pinched one of our community centre CDs today (Puppy vanilla 4.12), so I popped this one in the CD drive instead and it works even better than the standard 4.12 does, on an old machine with 128 MB of RAM.

It's a fine puplet, thanks.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 22:32    Post_subject:  

Hey zenfunk!

VERY cool puplet! Two questions:

1. Are you still actively working / maintaining this?
2. Would you have any issues with me mirroring it on my website?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct 2009, 23:54    Post_subject:  

zenfunk wrote:

If anyone knows about a lightweight alternative to antiword please come forward.


You might still be able to find an early TextMaker word processor (used to be free but is closed source)
which was in at least one Puppy.
It is very good.

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