Puppy 4.2 RC4 Deep Thought - Bugs & Fixes

[ttuuxxx]

...and looks nice and clean to boot

Blinky looks like Toys 'R Us and freememapplet is an ugly black rectangle.
The original icons looked way better.

well that wasn't very nice panzypuppy lol
ttuuxxx

[Béèm]

Knowing that there is support for sata HDD's I tried 420RC4 on my Desktop (see subj description)

Install method frugal with Lin'N'Win.

The 320GB sta HDD connected internally is recognized and used to do the install.

The second 320GB HDD is insalled in a bay of the PC through a e-sata connector.
This HDD isn't seen by puppy.
Is there a way to correct this? A matter of lacking kernel support? or other?

Side question:
The sda1 is the windows drive ntfs, which contains the puppy files for boot (same setup as my laptop)
The sda5 is a data partition (vfat) which contains the pup_safe file.

Having 1GB of memory, I suppose the complete pup_420.sfs is copied to ram, as I didn't see that tit was copied to /mnt/home.
But on the desktop I have the sda1 and sda5 icons both mounted with a yellow dot.
How come the sda1 is mounted also? I don't have this on the laptop.

[WhoDo]

@WhoDo: Disregard my former post about using the unpatched xorgwizard. Use the attached copy here instead.

Got it, thanks, PG.

[WhoDo]

If you want I'll repackage it with gtmoz as backend, with menu links, I'll even go as far as to making a patch for seamonkey so it will be in the Quick launch personal toolbar. But please once again don't make it default homepage.

Relax, ttuuxxx. You're stressing for no good reason. The Puppy Web Desktop never was going to be the home page; just a link from the welcome screen and help pages.

I'd appreciate that patch for Seamonkey to add the Puppy Web Desktop as a button on the Personal Toolbar. It will be much more obvious there for those who enjoy Cloud computing. Thanks.

[WhoDo]

I have been working on integrating parts of the web desktop into the default home page... here is what I have so far
... sorry the games aren't categorized - haven't had time to work on it

I got the download, techo, but couldn't make it overlay the default desktop page. BTW, I've asked ttuuxxx to create a Seamonkey patch that will add the Puppy Web Desktop to the personal toolbar so it is right there and visible when the browser is launched.

Cheers

[WhoDo]

...and looks nice and clean to boot

@ttuuxxx: Your 'enhanced' blinky looks like Toys 'R Us and freememapplet is beyond ugly
The original icons looked way better.

Good job, panzer. You've just convinced me to use ttuuxxx's version! Anything you don't like has to be an automatic inclusion!!!

[WhoDo]

Side question:
The sda1 is the windows drive ntfs, which contains the puppy files for boot (same setup as my laptop)
The sda5 is a data partition (vfat) which contains the pup_safe file.

Having 1GB of memory, I suppose the complete pup_420.sfs is copied to ram, as I didn't see that tit was copied to /mnt/home.
But on the desktop I have the sda1 and sda5 icons both mounted with a yellow dot.
How come the sda1 is mounted also? I don't have this on the laptop.

Can't help with the e-sata setup, Béèm, but I think you've answered your own question as to why both sda1 and sda5 are shown as mounted boot (yellow dot).

sda1 has your boot files and so MUST be mounted to boot
sda5 has your pup_save file and MUST be mounted in order to retrieve your configuration at boot (psubdir= ...).

Not knowing your laptop configuration I couldn't say why this appears different but it certainly is logical as you've explained your setup.

[ttuuxxx]

...and looks nice and clean to boot

@ttuuxxx: Your 'enhanced' blinky looks like Toys 'R Us and freememapplet is beyond ugly
The original icons looked way better.

Good job, panzer. You've just convinced me to use ttuuxxx's version! Anything you don't like has to be an automatic inclusion!!!

awwwwwwwwww you made me happy WhoDo, I'm Actually starting to live JWM who would of known, especially the new release with rounded windows
Oh Ya WhoDo did you try that other thing I mentioned in a PM?
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Hey whodo I just installed the latest version of 'Puppy Web Desktop' and well the transparent menu does not work at all, its way to distracting to see so much text, below, above, and even beside the line your trying to read. If you want me to make it solid just sy so, I'm just trying to make the seamonkey patch as a package for you.
have a look at the default settings below.



Ps also the background black text the wrong colour for a dark blue Sky, It makes it also very hard to read black on dark blue. Then The background goes light with the sand, It would be difficult to put text clearly on this sort of image, the background should be solid. Like one of those tiny stretched ones we have by default on puppy, that would do the trick.
Has anyone given any input to this project? Its the first time I've downloaded so I'm a bit surprised these things haven't been mention yet.
The application itself is excellent, jut needs a bit of work before submission.
ttuuxxx

[Béèm]

Side question:
The sda1 is the windows drive ntfs, which contains the puppy files for boot (same setup as my laptop)
The sda5 is a data partition (vfat) which contains the pup_safe file.

Having 1GB of memory, I suppose the complete pup_420.sfs is copied to ram, as I didn't see that tit was copied to /mnt/home.
But on the desktop I have the sda1 and sda5 icons both mounted with a yellow dot.
How come the sda1 is mounted also? I don't have this on the laptop.

Can't help with the e-sata setup, Béèm,

I just downloaded upup015 and installed it.
To my surprise, I can access all the partitions of the second 320GB HDD. So there is a way of supporting, but I don't know how.
Didn't look into details about unpup yet

.
but I think you've answered your own question as to why both sda1 and sda5 are shown as mounted boot (yellow dot).

sda1 has your boot files and so MUST be mounted to boot
sda5 has your pup_save file and MUST be mounted in order to retrieve your configuration at boot (psubdir= ...).

Not knowing your laptop configuration I couldn't say why this appears different but it certainly is logical as you've explained your setup.

My laptop has a ntfs partition sda1 and I use the same Lin'N'Win method. The second partition is vfat as well and is sda2.
The difference is in the memory size. The laptop has only 256MB and probably due to this the pup_420.sfs is automatically copied to /mnt/home (sda2) If this isn't done boot fails on this machine.
So I will copy by hand the pup_420.sfs to /mnt/home of the desktop (sda5)
I'll let know what happens with the yellow dot.

BTW, I don't use psubdir= in neither of the two machines.

[ttuuxxx]

two machines.

Hey Beem I've never had any issues with my 750G, 500G, 320G,X2 sata2 hard drives with puppy, do you think maybe its the cable, try swapping cables around and see what happens ?
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

hey WhoDo here's the patch for puppy web desktop, just extract the html file to /root/.mozilla/default/n44rjsz7.slt/bookmarks.html <---(hidden folder) and copy overtop the default one.
nice and simple then you'll have it in the personal toolbar.
ttuuxxx

Ps the program has to be installed for it to work.

[ttuuxxx]

Hey WhoDo I repackaged the latest Puppy web desktop with a menu item in menu/setup/
It didn't have one earlier.

[steve_s]

this is a minor thing but needs to be noted.

i just started up rc4 and tried to view it from the eyes of someone brand new to linux coming from windows...this is tough to do but is necessary for a new distro especially in these times. We are going to have a lot more Windows refugees coming over than ever before..

Anyway, on the very first help page that you click on at startup it has the html firstboot page that comes up...

On that page, one thing it says is, "When you get online, the web browser home page has many more links." Well, the home page is Google.

I know that line is designed for the last home page and the one listed in the /usr/share/docs area as home, right? I actually prefer google myself, but for those that are just coming over and are trying to follow instructions, that may be confusing...

I'll continue to check...

[ttuuxxx]

this is a minor thing but needs to be noted.

i just started up rc4 and tried to view it from the eyes of someone brand new to linux coming from windows...this is tough to do but is necessary for a new distro especially in these times. We are going to have a lot more Windows refugees coming over than ever before..

Anyway, on the very first help page that you click on at startup it has the html firstboot page that comes up...

On that page, one thing it says is, "When you get online, the web browser home page has many more links." Well, the home page is Google.

I know that line is designed for the last home page and the one listed in the /usr/share/docs area as home, right? I actually prefer google myself, but for those that are just coming over and are trying to follow instructions, that may be confusing...

I'll continue to check...

Yes thats a great point, good call, That page would be easy to fix
ttuuxxx

[steve_s]

...to continue with my previous post, the firstboot page also says, "Lots of local help is available -- select 'Help' in the menu (see left side of taskbar). The local Help page also has the Release Notes for this version of Puppy -- well worth checking out!"

I'm right now using icewm and there is no "help" area on the menu...

**Edit: perhaps just direct them to the Help icon via this page?

**Edit again:
Also, on the "Release Notes" page, there is an icon issue under "Support." The html refers to the icon picture at /usr/puppy-preference/pixmaps/xchat.png which doesn't exist...it is probably meant to refer to /usr/share/pixmaps/xchat.png

[ttuuxxx]

...to continue with my previous post, the firstboot page also says, "Lots of local help is available -- select 'Help' in the menu (see left side of taskbar). The local Help page also has the Release Notes for this version of Puppy -- well worth checking out!"

I'm right now using icewm and there is no "help" area on the menu...

**Edit: perhaps just direct them to the Help icon via this page?

Naaa I tossed that help link out of IceWM way back, it makes the menu taller which is a pain fo small laptops, plus I figured they had to use JWM first to get to Icewm so they probably already seen the help page, link etc.
ttuuxxx

[steve_s]

...to continue with my previous post, the firstboot page also says, "Lots of local help is available -- select 'Help' in the menu (see left side of taskbar). The local Help page also has the Release Notes for this version of Puppy -- well worth checking out!"

I'm right now using icewm and there is no "help" area on the menu...

**Edit: perhaps just direct them to the Help icon via this page?

Naaa I tossed that help link out of IceWM way back, it makes the menu taller which is a pain fo small laptops, plus I figured they had to use JWM first to get to Icewm so they probably already seen the help page, link etc.
ttuuxxx

I wondered about that...that seems logical.

Please also check my next edit about the release page...this thread is going amazingly quick.

~ thanks, ttuuxxx

[FredL]

Hi,
On the last 4.2.0 RC4 :
When you stop Pwidgets 2.0.5 (file - Stop/Start Pwidgets...) there's an error message :
Error loading backdrop image:
Failed to open file '/usr/share/backgrounds/Pwidgets_background'
No such file or directory
Backdrop removed.

[steve_s]

Hi,
On the last 4.2.0 RC4 :
When you stop Pwidgets 2.0.5 (file - Stop/Start Pwidgets...) there's an error message :
Error loading backdrop image:
Failed to open file '/usr/share/backgrounds/Pwidgets_background'
No such file or directory
Backdrop removed.

...wonder if that is related to one of my previous posts about the same error message...