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PowerPup! A project to port Puppy to PPC macs!
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PowerPup
 Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 65 Location: Washington, USA. |
Ah, so when you say "logo" you mean a logo for Puppy Linux and not PowerPup?  Because that's what I thought you meant and what I asked my brother to do. lol.
brymway, your problem with the CP command is so puzzling. I've tried it myself copying a text file from the CD to ram and it worked fine. it worked fine when copying the sfs file to ram. but anyway your Emac will probably always need to boot in failsafe for Open Firmware issues is my guess. Probably nothing we can do. that's probably why the failsafe option is there, to make it work.  (Or its the the kernel and the nvidia card. dunno.)
I agree totally with you ecomoney, so many times I've seen a "cool" mac on craigslist but don't have the money or necessarily the need for it.
Actually I found slackintosh very easy to install, after finding out how to partition the hard drive. I found the book "Running Linux" from O'Reilly Publications. It had a small section about Linux PPC and partitioning the hard disk. I've found this book helpful considering I'm still somewhat new to Linux. If anyone is interested I can make a small guide on installing slackintosh. And thanks for the info on gnash, I'll keep that in consideration. 
Well at the moment I am at a small standstill for PowerPup. I now need to figure out how to create the SFS file that will be on the CD to boot. Woof seems like the best and easiest route to go. Since Slackware's and Slackintosh's are exactly the same, (one for Intel, the other PPC,) it should be theoretically possible and somewhat easy to do. Although since my slackintosh DVD has all the binary packages on them it be nice to make the scripts use them instead of downloading them again. I can probably just copy them onto the hard disk. The question is will it work the way it is or does it need to be made slackintosh compatible? Maybe I can get some help or info from BarryK on this. Until I get this figured out I'm going to try to slow it down and take it easy for a bit. After all, I have the satisfaction of knowing that I'm not too far from a usable PPC Puppy Linux.  Just need some time and patience.
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Lobster
Official Crustacean  Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 15122 Location: Paradox Realm |
We have a logo for Puppy. There is still work being done on 4.2 and Kennel will only be active and fully supported after this process. For now good luck with your brothers logo. In the future I hope a Kennel support artist will provide a Logo combining Kennel + PowerPup - as well as offering an independent logo. They could even have a go now with the PowerPup logo
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Aitch
 Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK |
Well, Lobster, Powerpup Since Powerpup is for Mac, perhaps the logo should be a 'kilted' Puppy... [tossing a caber]? 
OK, tell me to shut up.....I'm still on medication.... Aitch
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PowerPup
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 65 Location: Washington, USA. |
Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining to me Lobster.
Well, that's not a bad idea Aitch. It'd be nice to put a little of my heritage into the logo. How you guessed that I have no clue. 
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Aitch
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK |
Best I can find....no caber, though.....maybe someone with gimp skills? 
Aitch
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8-bit
 Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 3406 Location: Oregon |
Your links to download PowerPup Beta on both the forum and your site download a 0 length iso file! So it seems there is something wrong there. Thought you should know. Also, I have a PowerBook 1400 that I am willing to try things on. |
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PowerPup
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 65 Location: Washington, USA. |
Yeah, I kinda worried about that. It appears Skydrive changes the direct link address every few hours or so. If you want to try it click here.
Unfortunately The PowerBook 1400 doesn't have OpenFirmware. So it can't boot from the CD. It would require BootX and a kernel supporting the PowerBook 1400. But the Linux/PPC for Nubus project doesn't have a stable 2.6 kernel yet. So until there is one, PowerPup won't work on those kind of macs.  (Not unless I figured out a way for puppy to work on a 2.4 kernel, who knows. )
You can go to http://www.netbsd.org/ports/macppc/models.html to see a list of what will work and what won't. Even though it's for NetBSD. It applies to almost any PPC Linux OS really. Anyway, I found out that I might be required to recompile most of Puppy Linux's sources in order to make sure PowerPup stays "Puppy sized." I'm not sure if I can just use the binaries from Slackintosh. I'm still somewhat new to Linux and don't know which packages are needed to build a barebones OS and build up from it. So I'm going to do a little research on that probably from LFS and other sources. Happy Puppying! (btw, great pic Aitch! )
-PowerPup. Edit: I'm moving the powerpup website to a new host so I can have the site and iso files all in one place, powerpup.yi.org might not work for a day or so, until the domain name fixes itself the powerpup website can be accessed here. |
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Aitch
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK |
Hi Powerpup HFS+ Don't know if this is any use to you, as it seems to have 'died' at 2.4 support http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-hfsplus Also found this http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.shtml and was reminded that many old PPC boxes had scsi drives in, and I'm a fan of getting scsi booting in Puppy, hence interest in big_bass's slackpup, which is still in evolution, and maybe useful for you?
[ I've also posted for scsi boot support in Barry's Blog ]
Hope things are well?, and when I get some time/space to blow the dust of the ppc, I'm going to try your ISO, beta experimental or not Aitch
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PowerPup
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 65 Location: Washington, USA. |
Thanks for the info Aitch. I'm didn't know about that for the 2.4 kernel.
And the mac-fdisk would be a good idea to include on the CD.
Aww... If I would have known no one else had used a non-puppy kernel to boot up puppy before I could have claimed the award. That's pretty much what I did, took slackintosh's 12.1 kernel (2.6.24.5) and used puppy's inird.gz to create the template for PowerPup's since I had to recompile the programs for it. Ah well. 
Things are going well, I still need to work on recompiling puppy's programs to create the SFS file. But for a test I want to create a different SFS file first that will just be a barebones version. that way I can at least make sure unionfs and squashfs are working properly. Today I'll be moving my slackintosh installation to a larger hard drive, the current one is filling up quick from all the source codes I'm working with and if I'm going to recomile puppy, well you get the idea.
Hope you have success when you test your mac!
-PowerPup |
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PowerPup
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 65 Location: Washington, USA. |
Small update, I decided not to bother trying to moved my slackintosh installation to the other hard drive because it wouldn't work right. So I found a spot to place it under the CD Rom drive bay.
Also found a needed step in order for Linux (And PowerPup) to have write support on HFS Plus format. Linux does not yet support writing on journaled HFS Plus format, (sometimes known as HFSJ.) So it needs to be disabled in order for PowerPup is be able to save changes. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2355 shows how to disable journaling in all Mac OS X versions, (near the bottom of the page.) However if all you have is Mac OS 9 or older, then you don't have to worry about turning off journaling. Because it wasn't introduced until Mac OS X.
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Aitch
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK |
Some more news/links for you I believe YDL has solved the journaling HFS+/Linux problem, but I'm not certain & can't find specific reference http://mac.wareseeker.com/Utilities/yellow-dog-linux-5.0.2.zip/332750 http://us.fixstars.com/products/ydl/ http://us.fixstars.com/support/downloads/ http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog/ ftp://ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/yellowdog/ Fink looks interesting, too http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=582265 Other Apple news http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/31/1629236 http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/28/2339246 Hope you find something interesting/useful, & it doesn't distract from your efforts? Aitch
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PowerPup
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 65 Location: Washington, USA. |
Thanks for the info Aitch.
Looking around in support on YDL I found a howto on HFS+ mounting. http://us.fixstars.com/support/solutions/ydl_general/hfsplus.shtml It doesn't talk about journaling so I wouldn't know if they fixed it or not. Maybe I'll look into it more.
As for my progress, I have the flu so I am probably not going to much on PowerPup this week. I do have the source tar extracted on the new hard disk, so I'm going to look into that and see if it can help me build the sfs file.
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Aitch
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK |
Oh Yes, ....I remember,.....by Kai Staats He was CEO of Terrasoft, & was developer of YDL & Linux for PS3 It was based on MKLinux Here's an ftp site with very early files for ppc [2005] ftp://ftp.mklinux.org/pub/mklinux-pre-R1/ the origins of ydl....early interview Kai Staats http://us.fixstars.com/news/articles/linuxammac/ I'd forgotten about MKLinux, [apple development & funding, I believe] I don't know if any of it is still relevant, but you never know, some clever tricks maybe.....? He was also responsible for this little gem http://nstanosheck.wordpress.com/2006/10/26/kai-staats-on-flash-player-9-for-ydl-50-%E2%80%94-adobe-needs-to-hear-from-you/ I don't know if it had any effect, but PR is PR, right? Here's to googlelinks for Powerpup, eh?
Puppy-on-a-mac may get googlebotted for this
Keep on truckin' Aitch
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technosaurus
 Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 4466 |
here are the t2 packages http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/powerpc/ Includes: # dtc/ # gtkpbbuttons/ # mac-fdisk/ # macosd/ # mol/ # pbbuttonsd/ # pdisk/ # petitboot/ # pmud/ # powerpc-utils/ # quik/ # yaboot/ _________________ Web Programming - Pet Packaging 100 & 101 |
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Aitch
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK |
more.......PPC embedded http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/PPCEmbedded/Resources#Section_2.4. Crux http://www.ppcnux.com/?q=crux-ppc-in-version-2.4 Firefox 3.01 Community build on PPC Linux http://www.ppcnux.com/?q=firefox301-compiled-and-run-on-linux-powerpc *buntu for PPC http://www.ppcnux.com/?q=node/7233 Gnash http://www.ppcnux.com/?q=node/7214
Nice touch! Aitch
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