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Puppy 4.2 Bling Or No Bling ANNONYMOUS POLL
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brymway

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 19:52    Post_subject:  

I take it that this request is for the up and coming community version right? It's nobodys job to decide what will go in the standard public release except the one who is in charge of the release. And that is not us. I believe the decision has been placed on whodos shoulders for the public release.

For the community version I always like to be surprised, although they usually throw some flash in there. Maybe you should specify that it doesn't matter what the public or the users think or say, it's whodos call.

I don't ever remember Barry asking us if we liked something.

Looking forward for the finale! I am using RC4 now with my own little additions and it works great. Great job to all the developers!

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 20:27    Post_subject:  

brymway wrote:
I take it that this request is for the up and coming community version right? It's nobodys job to decide what will go in the standard public release except the one who is in charge of the release. And that is not us. I believe the decision has been placed on whodos shoulders for the public release.

For the community version I always like to be surprised, although they usually throw some flash in there. Maybe you should specify that it doesn't matter what the public or the users think or say, it's whodos call.

I don't ever remember Barry asking us if we liked something.

Looking forward for the finale! I am using RC4 now with my own little additions and it works great. Great job to all the developers!


Yes its WhoDo's, but what is decided here is that, as soon as the final is released to I strip away the added bling and repackage it just like a regular puppy or not, by the number of results it does show a high number for it. I'll probably also do the unthinkable, remove Icewm, thats my little pride and joy that small package I made up Smile but its a extra 500kb including 7 themes.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 21:25    Post_subject:  

Hey ttuuxxx

Are you sure you haven't changed tack a little?

Anyhow, who cares?

If you are going to remaster a puplet count me in! I'm all for it. I love my old piece of crap 486! And I bet I've done more with it that most would bother to do Laughing I'd really love to see 4.2 run on it and I'm sure it can be done! (even with a touch of bling, added later of course!)(atm I'm doing a full install of fat_free... it's booting now! Yippee, grub worked, using xorg FFS!!! was using Xvesa, cursor is up... waiting..... Laughing Laughing Laughing Oooh, JWM is up!)

Patriot would be handy to have on side. He has a real knack for optimising things and I bet he's seen this thread. Wink

Cheers buddy

Mick

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 22:07    Post_subject:  

01micko wrote:
Hey ttuuxxx

Are you sure you haven't changed tack a little?

Anyhow, who cares?

If you are going to remaster a puplet count me in! I'm all for it. I love my old piece of crap 486! And I bet I've done more with it that most would bother to do Laughing I'd really love to see 4.2 run on it and I'm sure it can be done! (even with a touch of bling, added later of course!)(atm I'm doing a full install of fat_free... it's booting now! Yippee, grub worked, using xorg FFS!!! was using Xvesa, cursor is up... waiting..... Laughing Laughing Laughing Oooh, JWM is up!)

Patriot would be handy to have on side. He has a real knack for optimising things and I bet he's seen this thread. Wink

Cheers buddy

Mick


I'll be editing the sfs file in the iso, not a remaster, because I'm not going to use remax or the built in puppy remaster script, I'm surgically going to remove the software. That should be a more stable way of doing it. In the past there have been issues etc. I think its the best way to go. I'll also make you a stripped down version mick for your little 486 Smile but we'll have to talk about whats needed for it Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 22:10    Post_subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:


I'll be editing the sfs file in the iso, not a remaster, because I'm not going to use remax or the built in puppy remaster script, I'm surgically going to remove the software. That should be a more stable way of doing it. In the past there have been issues etc. I think its the best way to go. I'll also make you a stripped down version mick for your little 486 Smile but we'll have to talk about whats needed for it Smile
ttuuxxx


Sounds good!

I'll get back to yer on what can stay and what can go on the ol' dino!

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 22:16    Post_subject:    

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trapster


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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 22:36    Post_subject:  

Anybody with a "low" number of post should be carefull. It seems ttuuxxx doesn't really care what you think.

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Libretto100ct Why don't you take your little 36 post and take a long walk of a short pier. Here's a good one to start with, watch your first step its a doozy.

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 22:37    Post_subject:  

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 23:05    Post_subject:  

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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 23:10    Post_subject:  

Hmmmm .... Coolpup..... posts=0... input=∞
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 23:22    Post_subject:  

trapster wrote:
Anybody with a "low" number of post should be carefull. It seems ttuuxxx doesn't really care what you think.

Posted: 3/20, at 23:06
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Libretto100ct Why don't you take your little 36 post and take a long walk of a short pier. Here's a good one to start with, watch your first step its a doozy.


Trapster did you miss what Libretto100ct said to me on the previous pages, go back to where you copied that from, then move back like 2 pages and read back to it, you were only catching the ending of it, He said a lot of stuff I didn't like to me, so that was a response back to his rude comments, I've helped tones of newbeeee's all the time, don't take the numbers out context. That was just related to him only!!! nobody else, he was being a jerk, ok
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 23:24    Post_subject:  

brymway wrote:
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Yes its WhoDo's, but what is decided here is that, as soon as the final is released to I strip away the added bling and repackage it just like a regular puppy or not, by the number of results it does show a high number for it.


So it appears that you are putting up the poll to see what others would like to see in a derivative. If that was stated at the beginning, I probably wouldn't have posted what I did. But you didn't say that. It appeared that you were taking a poll for the up and coming official release, which in that case, would have seemed less than savvy. My initial impression was that your post seemed rather divisive.

But if this is for your knowledge, for what others would like to see in a derivative that you will put together after the official release, then just in case others got the same impression as I did, perhaps you might think of adjusting your title post. Very Happy No sense in creating any waves at a critical time in Puppy history, right? Cool


No thats not it, Originally I made this poll for WhoDo to take notice, that people didn't want extra resources being taken by bling, some have reported as high as 17% of the memory. But the numbers didn't happen on here, if we actually would of had a full turnout it would of made a difference, I had over 400 downloads of foxit pdf reader in 4 days. He had mentioned in the 4.2 bugs that 50 votes wasn't enough for him to change his mind, because the usual daily user login is like 400+. So because of that I'm prepared not to let the other users down. So I'll reduce the final, I don't really consider it a remaster, because if you were to use a remastering program to remove the bling, the system would be crippled. The new Bling has be integrated into the refresh scripts, and other scripts and they have to be edited or replaced and no remastering script can do that, they just remove what is in the package. This is a more complicated task.


Also WhoDo has stated that the retro version will have the bling turned off by default, I do believe that is because of this thread and the knowledge/input that the users have provided us all.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 23:25    Post_subject: no bloat  

I voted for: no bloat, no bling. Keep adding bloat and you'll soon lose users/market.

I had already stated my opinion about such matters in another thread concerning why people still use old versions of Puppy, so I won't repeat that here; I couldn't care less how old or new the computer is, I loathe bloat (which is in any case easier to add later than to remove later). My opinion is expressed here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=286569#286569

One day we will have to become responsible world citizens. The Modern Desktop: in the future their will be no room for stupid bloat and not having to maintain such extravagance will give us back some free time too! :-)
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 23:36    Post_subject: Re: no bloat  

mcewanw wrote:
I voted for: no bloat, no bling. Keep adding bloat and you'll soon lose users/market.

I had already stated my opinion about such matters in another thread concerning why people still use old versions of Puppy, so I won't repeat that here; I couldn't care less how old or new the computer is, I loathe bloat (which is in any case easier to add later than to remove later). My opinion is expressed here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=286569#286569

One day we will have to become responsible world citizens. The Modern Desktop: in the future their will be no room for stupid bloat and not having to maintain such extravagance will give us back some free time too! Smile


I like your way of thinking, give what is needed and let the users decide if they want to add the extras.
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PostPosted: Sat 21 Mar 2009, 23:51    Post_subject:  

Hang on,

I´m all for a 4.2 with absolutely no bloat, barebones even, but WhoDo made his choice long ago for the official. You did grab his attention but not in the right way. I also know that another dev may or may not have peeved you, but let that go, no harm was intended and you know it.

I agree Jeff that maybe you should retitle this thread to get helpers for a no bling Puppy 4.2 derivative, no matter how it is made, because the title is provocative and I think you know you´ve pissed off WhoDo enough.

All the best mate and look forward to advancing!

Mick

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