Woof Alpha2

[Lobster]

Barry has just released an Ubuntu ISO version of Woof (upup) - I tried this but could not get into xwin (xorg) to run.
I tried changing various settings in the config file but was unsuccessful.
Anyone else got it working?

[tronkel]

Lobster wrote:

could not get into xwin (xorg) to run

I had a similar problem with the Ubuntu Woof using Woof Alpha which was my first attempt at building a Woof.

The Slackware Woof started X OK, as did the Debian Woof - both made with Alpha 2. I'm impressed with the Debian Woof - lightning quick.

I'll download and burn the latest Ubuntu Woof and try that as well.

When I get time I'll have a go with dPup on both the Asus eeepc as well as the Intel Classmate. From experience, I reckon that Ubuntu Woof will do well on the Asus eeepc.

update:

just tried uPup. As Lobster also discovered, X doesn't start. The xorg.conf is configured for nVidia whereas I have an ATI Radeon 3450. Is the ATI driver missing in uPup or is a later xorg version to blame? Could be the Puppy kernel maybe.

[ttuuxxx]

X-PUP

-First try
Ok it booted fine, xorg was fine, buttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
when the desktop opened I selected Setup icon on the desktop, then I select 'Connect to the internet' and boom it froze completely, even the shiftlock didn't work, nothing, couldn't get out of it, and this is on a clean system with no puppy files on it.
-Second try,
this time I just select browser and boom it froze and the same crash as above
-Third try
I selected file on the desktop to open rox and boom it froze again, same as above
ttuuxxx

[Firefox]

Downloaded slack-pup iso and tried to format drive partition for a FULL hard drive install.
Gparted refused to function from menu.
Used another puppy to do this.
The install cd did not complete and I did not get a menu 1st in boot dir, so no boot up from HD.

[01micko]

What's happenning here? Are we building from woof tarball or downloading pre-built woof? I built apup from alpha-1, worked ok albeit some things broken, then I managed to fix some. Bulding a woof on weekend.

Please clarrify if you built or downloaded your 'x'-pup. (will help BK too )

[Firefox]

I downloaded the pre-built slack-pup iso for testing purposes.ie spup-011.iso.
Being on dial up I havn`t tried to build any distro from scratch.
Burnt iso to cd and booted from it.
Simply trying to help in bug finding, and making the base setup secure.

[gerry]

spup 011.iso- live cd on Intel Celeron 600MHz, 256MB ram.

I like it, it's faster than Puppy 412.

But I can't get cups to work- like a previous poster I get 404 not found error. I've checked everything- it all seems to be the same as 412.

Comparison using top shows that /usr/sbin/cups_shell doesn't start, but I can't see why.

Gerry

[Firefox]

I don`t know what cups is in it but if it`s anything like a modern one then we may have problems
if your on a line printer. I`ve found some notes from somewhere that mentions changing
rc.services to modprobe the parport before init.d gets run. In this way the lpr gets recognised in CUPS on reboot.

modprobe parport
modprobe parport_pc
modprobe lp
chmod 066 /dev/lp0

I tried it in pup 4.2RC1 and it works. Also there is something to do with file permissions if your running samba having to change var/spool/cups to temp location.
Also udev reports on bootup cant find lp - oh well keep trying.
My printer is hpdeskjet 710c on parallel port so I need this working. Usually I have to
compile a pnm2ppa.tar.gz file into the full hard drive install and place a ppd file in /usr/share/cups /model file that cups can see but I`m not sure if Cups is looking there anymore.

[8-bit]

I tried spup (slax version of woof) from a live cd boot on a Compaq Presario with AMD Athalon X2 4800 Duel-Core Processor, Nvidia GeForce 6150 SE Graphics and 3 gigabytes of ram.
I started it with pfix=ram.
The select mouse and keyboard displays showed up and were selected.
But I got a black screen after that with a lot of hard drive activity and no cd activity.
I think that there should not be all that hard drive activity going on.
With 3 gigs of ram I should have more than enough for it to come up to a desktop.
I then tried an HP desktop with 384 megs of ram hooked up to a Poloroid TV and still got the black screen.
The only PC that accepted it is an old 900mhz Dell with 384 megs of ram and an ATI rage 64 video card hooked up to an IBM G70 monitor.
I saw no offering of Xvesa as a display option and I think a lot of users rely on Xvesa to work around display problems.
As a result of this, I think it needs a lot more refining.

[eztuxer]

Sadly, I'm having the same "Acer Aspire One" bug as with FatDog 110 & 111.
After installing on USB stick:
System loads up but no X & does not respond to "ctrl+alt+backspace", or "alt+F1, F2, etc...".
It works OK on the CD with Xorg @ 1024x600 24 bits.
It's a real bummer cause it works really nice of the CD, wifi, sound...

[BarryK]

Hi Barry, I love the woof script you're writing, however I want to be able to strip back the original packages further, not install some of the apps and install others in their place. Much like a build from unleashed. I'm assuming at some point you'll automate this more so it's similar, but until you do, can you tell me which scripts I need to hack to add/remove packages from the build? Thanks.

~dinky

For now, there's a file in Woof, DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-ubuntu (or DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-slackware, etc.), with a table that has the choice of packages -- see the "yes" in the first field.

That can be edited, however at some time in the future I do plan to add a package-chooser script, maybe with a GUI, and with dependency checking.

[BarryK]

Comparison using top shows that /usr/sbin/cups_shell doesn't start, but I can't see why.

yeah, I haven't got around to looking at printing from a Woof-build. I had better get onto that soon. Maybe target that for alpha3.

[big_bass]

only need a simple list of the packages then

then use wget
fast and easy


here's a quick demo
woof_pkgs_demo.tar.gz

1.)unzip it
2.)open the script with geany as text
3.)in geany click on Execute


you will download just 66MB just to get the point
the name is
/root/woof_pkgs_demo/download_woofpkgs
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I think we will need a new package option
called "Patch"

after installing an official lets say slackware package
and all its depends and if it still doesn't work
a patch package

is installed to finish
the job so when an update comes along it would be logical
to make a new patch and much easier to duplicate
the fix quickly

an on going problem on the forum with forum members
is someone does alot of work to patch a package
then it gets "included" in someones package?
now when its time to "fix" the next version
we have a mess to sort

this way the patch is just applied to the original official package
bad for the ego BUT good for a stable system
much better for reduced bandwidth too

*big_bass puts on his bullet proof jacket and awaits the gun fire

big_bass

[Leon]

Report for "Slack Puppy", spup_011.iso

Frugal install
Intel P4 1,7GHz, 1GB Ram, 80GB IBM ATA IC35L080AVVA07-0, NEC DVD_RW ND-2500A, TEAC CD-W552E, Ati Radeon 9200 SE graphic card, Sony SDM-M51 15" LCD monitor

Progress

Xorg
It display 1024x768 resolution for my monitor and graphic card but I had to manually modified the settings in /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
In Puppy 4.1.2 it only worked at that resolution when I upgraded my pup_save file from one of the previous 4.x alpha installations.

USB modem
I use ADSL Internet connection by rp-pppoe.
I also have an option to use an analog line. A few months ago I purchased this 56k USB modem:
http://www.manhattan-products.com/en-US ... -usb-modem

It works perfectly and noticeably faster then in Vista.
It doesn't work in Puppy 4.1.2.

Problems

PupDial and Roaring Penguin PPPoE
/etc/resolv.conf - is symlink to /etc/ppp/resolv.conf
/etc/ppp/resolv.conf - is symlink to ../resolv.conf

I replaced symlink /etc/ppp/resolv.conf with resolv.conf file from my Puppy 4.1.2 pup_save file with my nameserver settings in it.

CUPS
When I try to add a printer the '404 Not Found error' message is shown.

Gxine
It starts to play a video file and then stops responding.

AbiWord
It doesn't start from the menu until pup_save file is created.
When it's started from rxvt this message is shown:

abiword: /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0: no version information available (required by abiword)
abiword: /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by abiword)

[dinky]

For now, there's a file in Woof, DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-ubuntu (or DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-slackware, etc.), with a table that has the choice of packages -- see the "yes" in the first field.

That can be edited, however at some time in the future I do plan to add a package-chooser script, maybe with a GUI, and with dependency checking.

Thanks Barry. That makes more sense to me now. I look forward seing what gui you come up with in the future, and for now will just have fun hacking it. Cheers.

~dinky

[01micko]

*big_bass puts on his bullet proof jacket and awaits the gun fire

big_bass

*ouzi*--------- rattattattattatttattattatat..... ah shoot... blanks!

Makes some sense to me big_bass

[big_bass]

Hello Barry K

just a quick progress report

first off I must say I was surprised for an early Alfa *great Job
I was very sceptical about package management with slackware
without using the official tools pkgtool

which I have been using for quite some time (old school)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=39015

but I now see what your are trying to do with it
and you have come a long way for an alfa version
I know how fast you can resolve problems

I also would prefer an option to just download the package without


installing *I know you are aware some packages will break the OS
they can be filtered out for the normal user and a power user
understands the risks involved and can have a development option

It was a pleasant surprise that seamonkey was fast and responsive
for someone who always uses firefox


some small glitches which can be quickly fixed are listed here
mind you they all worked correctly for me that was just a test from console
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# abiword
abiword: /usr/lib/libpopt.so.0: no version information available (required by abiword)
abiword: /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by abiword)



mtpaint
mtpaint: /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by mtpaint)



# fotoxx
cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/fotoxx/parameters': No such file or directory
Operation not permitted, cp /usr/share/fotoxx/parameters /root/.fotoxx
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an ongoing problem about poweroff
I noticed when I dont have the folder /proc/acpi
my box wont power off completely which is not a new problem

so the problem lies in my machine defaulting to apm
when that happens it wont poweroff
I hope these observations can be of good use to you

thanks for all your hard work

Barry K comments from the Blog
I just looked at the link raffy posted about what big_bass has done. Great! The team may decide that Slackware compatibility for 4.3 is the way to go, and it is certainly do-able. It looks like big_bass would want in on that one, as would MU.

wow ,I am slow I just seen that a couple of days ago
it popped up while doing a search to my surprise

it did turn out that slackware was the way to go


big_bass

[Gorilla no baka]

Hi there...

I have been playing around with the new Woof alpha 2.1.It is a very nice one i must say..
Congrats on your work mate...

Listen..I have been meaning to ask you guys or whoever might know...

Is there any probelem with Gparted?? In the Woof i downloaded the Gparted with not work...Luckly the fsdisk and the other one are working as far as i could see tough i have not used the all the way..It was a lot easyer to pop in the other cd with Puppy215CE and firing up Gparted wiping the disk and making a new partition...

Also ,when i tried to install the Woof on the hard disk ,I was not able to...THe process goes trough the usually stages till the end but somnehow the Grub is not written....

I even tried the upgrade version way as well... Seems to be working fine except for the part where we have to upgrade the grub ,that part where it ask us to manually upgrade the grub by copying the text from the temp blah blah...

Well i was not able to access sda1 :It tells me that it can not be mounted.....

To make a long story short , I was not able to install the Woof on the harddisk...
I know this is a alpha version an all but the upgrade and install process have been already perfected long time ago so i was asking myself...

Is there anyway to install Woof on the harddisk??

Cheers!!!

[BarryK]

To make a long story short , I was not able to install the Woof on the harddisk...
I know this is a alpha version an all but the upgrade and install process have been already perfected long time ago so i was asking myself...

No, The Woof build system is in alpha, but what gets built, that is, a Puppy, is still pre-alpha
Upgrade and install was "perfected" for Puppy4, but the Woof build has significant under-the-hood changes that may affect some of those scripts.

[01micko]

You could try a cheat frugal, copy the essentials from the CD to a linux partition and edit your grub lst manually...