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Lobster
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 02:48    Post subject:  Woof Alpha2  

Smile OK Barry has released as well as the development system
a ready made Alpha ISO (Slackware mode)

follow progress here
http://www.puppylinux.com/blog/


The live-CD and 'devx' are here:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/puppylinux/test/woof-alpha2/

new package manager:
http://puppylinux.com/woof/ppm.htm

The Woof alpha2 tarball is here:
http://puppylinux.com/test/woof-alpha2/

Now back to trying to install compiz in this new system . . . Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 02:55    Post subject:  

I am running the Slackware ready made live CD ISO

Smile OK it is pretty bonkers to 'test' a difficult package
but why not

So I started with Compiz - the compiz part seemed to be installing OK
But I also needed my nvidia driver
Would the driver need recompiling with the woof devxx?
It seems so as it is not taking.

The package management system is well stocked.
Maybe I should try something easy Smile

Update - the Nvidia config is there but the driver is not loading

Tried Xfce - was not running - but mousepad the xfce editor is running from the Puppy interface, Thunar did not load but was there and the Xfce package manager . . .
tried fluxbox - nope

OK gonna have to try a simple program . . . so many to choose from . . .

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 05:33    Post subject:  

Yes, there are going to be some packages that might not work properly as-is in Puppy.

I have been contemplating a user feedback mechanism that can auomatically blacklist a certain package on a certain repo, or modify it's dependency list. This could be automatically added online somewhere for the Puppy Package Manager to read.

...this is dreaming, I don't know how to do such a thing (yet).

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 05:48    Post subject:  

Always good to dream Barry . . .
Smile
The Slackware version compiled from Alpha 1 has moved on.
Just noticed the FullerScreen slide presenter (under graphics)
- that has a LOT of potential uses
Would it be easy to install in Deep Thought?

Will Woof Beta or later version be based on Deep Thought?

I notice people are already clamouring for a Woof Ubuntu . . . Smile

What I can say is the packages downloaded OK
There are more available than in Alpha 1

Woof is already generating a lot of well deserved interest . . .

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 06:44    Post subject:  

I just had a go at building a Woof Ubuntu.

Had big problems with downloading the packages - many were missing - After trying the2createpackages script and getting many errors, I ran out of patience eventually.

I then downloaded the sPup iso.

It booted ok and runs well. The CUPS daemon wouldn't start though, so I couldn't try out printing.

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 07:23    Post subject:  

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Had big problems with downloading the packages - many were missing


Jack
I am not sure if Barry fixed this - he did mention effort
was required for this situation . . .
In Alpha 1 I ran the download part 10 times (it kept picking up more packages) Eventually I hoped that was enough to compile the Slackware Puppy - it was . . .

talking of Slackware
has this been suggested /
any use?
http://slackfind.net/en/


Hope that helps

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 11:11    Post subject:  

Bonjour,
About a possible new name for Puppy Packages Manager
I would like to submit PAPI (Puppy All packages Installer). Wink
Cordialement Wink

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 12:02    Post subject: More Puppy Package Manager names  

Several more candidate names:

PUPS (Puppy Universal Packaging [Package] System)
PAL (Puppy Applications Library)
PUDDLE (Puppy Universal Distribution Download and Logistics Engine) Wink
PACX (Puppy Application Control for X)

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 12:19    Post subject:  

Downloaded today md5 ok but can't get past the Puppy Video Wizard. Using 1024x768x24 works fine in 4.1.2 here the screen simply goes black and everything dies out. CD tray works nothing else.

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 12:30    Post subject: Re: More Puppy Package Manager names  

dogone wrote:

PAL (Puppy Applications Library)




PAL is already in semi use Smile

My suggestion is PS (Puppy Software)

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 14:56    Post subject:  

Bonjour,
My vote for PUPS (Puppy Universal Packaging System) by Dogone.
Cordialement Wink

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 15:04    Post subject:  

For those of you that downloaded spup_devx_011.sfs and cannot get the md5 checksum to work, just edit the path in the md5.txt file for it.
It seems the path shows the file as being in a subdirectory called sandbox.
I removed that and md5sum completed ok.
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 15:18    Post subject:  

OK, a much better result this time - but with dPup (Debian) . Here's the saga:

Lobster wrote:
Quote:
In Alpha 1 I ran the download part 10 times (it kept picking up more packages) Eventually I hoped that was enough to compile the Slackware Puppy - it was . .


I started the download script which seemed to terminate early, before it had managed to access and download all of the necessary packages. On starting the 2createpackages script errors were appearing to the effect that it could not find the various packages. I then found several of them via Google and copied them to the deb_packages-2 folder. At that point, I ran out of patience.

Then I remembered Loster's advice about downloading several times until the packages were correctly accessed and downloaded.

The second attempt appeared to be much more successful with the 2createpackages script unable to find only one missing package - xorg-common.

Google could find no trace of this package, but it kept coming up with x11-common instead. So I downloaded this, renamed it to xorg-common and copied it as before, after which the 2createpackages script seemed to terminate with no errors. The download from the Debian servers by the way seem much faster and more reliable than the Ubuntu servers - so that must have helped. (see above abortive attempt with Ubuntu).

The ISO was then built with the later kernel without problems.

Aha, so lets have a try and see if it works.

This is the first ever base Puppy version that has ever been able to configure xorg to recognise the ATI Radeon 3450 video card that's in the PC.

The cups daemon starts on this version, but there are still problems. I can't see the printer on the USB port in CUPS and will not accept a current root password either. So CUPS is still a no go.

Neither Abiword nor Gnumeric would start due to missing libraries.

This version has a great turn of speed as well, so for me it's a keeper! I like the looks as well.

The problems I daresay will be eliminated over time. It sure is on the right track though. Cool Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 16:17    Post subject: New package manager UI  

I suspect the seed is already in the ground, but the current package manager user interface needs a makeover. Something much more Synaptic-like is called for now that our PM is in the big leagues. New users (and reviewers) will likely pan the current GUI. No slam intended. It's just that the "Woof" concept has raised the bar. It's time to take the next step with excellence. I'm SURE we can find some talented GUI mavens somewhere Wink
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PostPosted: Sun 01 Mar 2009, 19:45    Post subject:  

I m doing this on a four Gig USB flash
so I have to juggle a few things around

1) can you confirm the total package count
for packages-pet (I have 230)

2.)can you confirm the total package count for
packages-tgz (I have 353)

what could be used to tail the progress ?
or a packages.txt to compare to

I was doing some work around
the house while it was downloading
so when I came back I wanted to verify
the download


I have built with unleashed countless times since puppy 2.13
and you could download all packages with gftp
and confirm if you had all or not

here is a list of what I downloaded
is it all there ?

I added the md5sums also

Updated with my package list
sorry ,if I overlooked something

thanks in advance
will report my findings

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md5sum_packages-tgz.tar.gz
Description 
gz

 Download 
Filename  md5sum_packages-tgz.tar.gz 
Filesize  10.31 KB 
Downloaded  342 Time(s) 
md5sum_packages-pet.tar.gz
Description 
gz

 Download 
Filename  md5sum_packages-pet.tar.gz 
Filesize  7.03 KB 
Downloaded  333 Time(s) 

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