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Puppy - Pen Drive and FAT 16/32 File System
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waynev

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Feb 2009, 20:08    Post subject:  Puppy - Pen Drive and FAT 16/32 File System  

The below is copied from elswhere:

Note however, as it is a DOS-based system WakePup can only recognise ISO9660 and FAT filesystems. CDs use the ISO9660 filesystem for holding files, so that is okay. USB pen drives are usually formatted with FAT16 filesystem, so that is also okay. MSDOS and Windows 95/98 installations are in hard drive partitions with FAT filesystems, so again okay.
Thus, WakePup will not recognise Puppy installed in a NTFS (Windows XP) hard drive partition, nor a Linux partition

Question:

I ask this question because the above makes me believe that Puppy will full install into new and fresh FAT 16/32 partition, and, out of frustration, I'm willing to seem demented Confused
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Feb 2009, 20:17    Post subject:  

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I ask this question because the above makes me believe that Puppy will full install into new and fresh FAT 16/32 partition


No. You can only do a full install of Puppy into a Linux-type partition like ext3. The Wakepup diskette is designed to boot frugal installs. However, you can make a GRUB boot diskette that will launch a full install.

Your title refers to pen drives. Were you thinking about trying a full install into a pen drive? This is only possible by making extensive modifications to the core Puppy files.
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waynev

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Feb 2009, 21:04    Post subject:  

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No. You can only do a full install of Puppy into a Linux-type partition like ext3. The Wakepup diskette is designed to boot frugal installs. However, you can make a GRUB boot diskette that will launch a full install.


Obviously I did not have a clue. This helps me a great deal.

Are you saying if it's a frugal install on a pen drive formatted FAT/16-32 the WakePup would be used to boot the Pen Drive.



Quote:
Your title refers to pen drives. Were you thinking about trying a full install into a pen drive? This is only possible by making extensive
modifications to the core Puppy files.


[So] for a Pen Drive, when using the universal installer the install is frugal and the file system is FAT Question
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Feb 2009, 21:13    Post subject:  

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...for a Pen Drive, when using the universal installer the install is frugal and the file system is FAT?

Precisely. However, you don't always need the Wakepup diskette to boot it. Most newer computers will support USB booting from the BIOS.
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rjbrewer


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PostPosted: Sat 14 Feb 2009, 21:34    Post subject:  

Waynev;

If you have a fresh usbdrive and use the universal installer to
install puppy to a fat partition, it makes a frugal install: except
it's not necessary to install grub to the drive in order to use it.

It can be booted straight into a windows computer that is
capable of booting usb; or booting into a linux partitioned
computer by using a wakepup floppy or the cd using: puppy
pmedia=usbflash; if the computer does not have usb-boot
capability.
Rcrsn51 has a whole package of different booting options.

rjb

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waynev

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Feb 2009, 21:45    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
Quote:
...for a Pen Drive, when using the universal installer the install is frugal and the file system is FAT?

Precisely. However, you don't always need the Wakepup diskette to boot it. Most newer computers will support USB booting from the BIOS.


This really helps, thanks.

My machines are old and like me they need all the help they can get Smile
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waynev

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Feb 2009, 21:58    Post subject:  

rjbrewer wrote:
Waynev;

If you have a fresh usbdrive and use the universal installer to
install puppy to a fat partition, it makes a frugal install: except
it's not necessary to install grub to the drive in order to use it.

It can be booted straight into a windows computer that is
capable of booting usb; or booting into a linux partitioned
computer by using a wakepup floppy or the cd using: puppy
pmedia=usbflash; if the computer does not have usb-boot
capability.
Rcrsn51 has a whole package of different booting options.

rjb


Thank you, this really adds to the tool box I can use to get this USB Pen Drive working. rcrsn51 is posting here, is this the same Rcrsn51 you mention regarding different booting options Question Wink
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waynev

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 19:28    Post subject:  

Used the universal installer and installed puppy on Pen Drive Fat Partition. Since I wanted to boot Pen Drive into a linux machine, I used WakePup. The boot did not complete. It hung itself and the green lite on the Pen Drive remained on. It required a hard reboot to exit. I tried three different WakePup options 1, 2, 3 and non worked. The closest I came was WakePup telling me it could not find Pup files on any drives and wanted a path to a sub directory. I finshed pulling out what hair was left and moved on Sad

pmedia=usbflash. I tried booting with CD typing Pmedia=usbflash at the boot prompt, no good, the machine continued to boot the HDD.

This hp does not offer USB in the boot order, but mentions USB a lot otherwise Question

Is there any possibility that this will ever happen or are we simply wasting our time Crying or Very sad
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 19:53    Post subject:  

Have you tried GParted after universal install to see that

LBA and Boot??? are checked.

Some USBs are rubbish and you have to try different install options.

You have tried different USB ports???
This is critical sometimes.

Could you get another cheap USB to try.

I have 4 USBs working with different Puppies.

I would try again if none of the above work.
Let GParted format your USB again.
Don't format your hard drive.

OR here is the old reliable HP formatter.

Chris.
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waynev

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 23:19    Post subject:  

cthisbear

I'm at work now but will follow up on your suggestions tomorrow.

BTW My office has new hp machines and these machines allow changing of the boot order. I have changed the boot order on my machine and tried a couple others without any successful boot for the Pen Drive.

It's interesting because previous to installing puppy, SliTaz Cooking was installed, although SliTaz did not boot at least the computer reconized SliTaz as being on the Pen Drive and puppy is not reconized.

I appreciate your help on this cthisbear

Wayne

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 23:32    Post subject:  

A post I made on another thread.

There is one point during the usb flash install using the installer
and cd that caused me a few problems at first.

At the final stage, when making the save-file, it takes 15 or 20
minutes for the file to be made. Then the screen goes black, and
I assumed it was finished. It wasn't; takes another 10 minutes or
so before it really is. Removing the cd and rebooting fails without
waiting until the very end.

rjb

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waynev

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 23:36    Post subject:  

rjbrewer

When using the installer, I opted not to make the save-file could this be the problem Question
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 23:46    Post subject:  

I'm not sure; but when I deleted the save file from one of my
flash drives, it wouldn't boot after that.

Also: when I tried making a maximum size save file it wouldn't
work.

rjb

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waynev

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Feb 2009, 00:03    Post subject:  

cthisbear

Quote:
Let GParted format your USB again.
Don't format your hard drive.


[SO] I run Gparted and delete what is on the USB and the let Gparted format the USB drive FAT 16 or 32?

A bit confused on what you mean "Don't format your hard drive."

After the new FAT format by Gparted I then use the universal installer to install puppy without a save-file.

The USB is Dell 64MB, can you or any one recommend a puppy. I thought of Johns 50MB MeanPup. The USB is loaded now with ( I forgot its name) Puplet 3.0.1 under 50MB.

Cheers
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Feb 2009, 02:27    Post subject:  

A 64 mb flash drive??

rjb

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