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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 05:46    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
WhoDO you did it again, you left out the filemanager mini-icon Smile here's a pic, it shows where its actually linked to, probably where the problems starts from.

Now that's really WEIRD because I check back over my Unleashed packages and rootfs-complete directories and what I have there in both places is the actual icon, not a link. Maybe .... I dunno. Just put it back and it will be fixed for the next release. *sheesh* Surprised


also you didn't use the icewm6 I posted on page one of alpha4 you used icewm5 from alpha3. Icewm6 I did last night, it has the reduced right and left hand taskbar icons, plus I made all the themes look="flat" and re-enabled -show desktop, added back ttuuxxxView which was missing, the link was always on the rightclick of freememory applet, but the little script didn't find its way into the icewm release, it was used in my older larger release and when freememory was reused ttuuxxxView was left behind, by accident.
anyways I re-uploaded it to page 1 of this thread.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 05:52    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
Add the latest mtpaint plus the new snapshot with adjustable delay timer.

I'd love to but it needs serious pruning first. As I said in the 'Known Issues' I had to leave it out because it contains 3Mb of documentation alone. Who knows what else could be pared from the package to get it down to the size of 3.29 (or less) Question
it is, the size of the 3.20 with the updated snapshot pet packages is 261.12 KB pet or like 551kb installed, its just about the same size, try it out its on page 1 of this thread and try the snapshot feature. just do the fixmenus/ restart jw/icewm and you'll see it.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 05:54    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
1.)
When closing a side-tray (add widget/icon), the old tray (without close button) is still there. The reason is because side-tray code is still in /root/.jwmrc-tray. It should have been removed.

2.)
The Stardust gtk-theme is still the old one. You'll find it on the 'Stardust recourses' page.

3.)
The menuicon of Figaros password manager and Gxine is too wide.

Fixed.

zigbert wrote:
4.)
Desktop icon 'Install' is a symlink and I think the icon is wrong. It should have been pointing to pet48.png.

5.)
The Icon_switcher does not keep the unique menu icons when changing icon theme. It auto-generates 24x24 icons out of the 48x48 icon theme. Like this it overwrites existing menu icons. I guess Barry made this to save space (the 24x24 icons didn't have to be in the iso).
Warren has to make a choice if he will support unique menu icons.

Under consideration. All icon themes will need to comply to a standard specification and that has yet to be developed. Barry made the switcher capable of handling SVG icons that were manipulated to create the 48x48 and 24x24 standard icons for the desktop and menus. Subsequent themes have used PNG, JPG, XPM and SVG. That will all have to be resolved before the final release. Any takers?

zigbert wrote:
6.)
Yaf-splash welcome message shows up before widgets are loaded.

That is by design. It waits for the user intervention or a timeout (I think) before disappearing but only appears on first run before a pup_save.2fs file is created.

zigbert wrote:
7.)
The fantastic pdf-printer is not in my printer list.

Beta1 doesn't include the latest version of ttuuxxx's CUPS software and libraries. Beta2/RC1 will fix.

zigbert wrote:
8.)
/etc/xdg/templates/_root_.jwmrc misses info to NOT show window-decoration for xli and xpad.
Quote:
<Group>
<Class>xli</Class>
<Name>xli</Name>
<Option>noborder</Option>
<Option>notitle</Option>
<Option>sticky</Option>
<Option>nolist</Option>
<!-- Option>layer:2</Option -->
</Group>

Fixed.

zigbert wrote:
9.)
The trash and lock icon has a bit unlogical placement on the desktop.

Positions were hard coded to keep these out of the way of default Pwidgets and it looks like your wide-screen implementation has added extra space between them.

zigbert wrote:
10.)
I couldn't install my printer because the lack of username/password

Long known userID=puppy pwd=woofwoof ... ttuuxxx's latest version has this pre-entered (I think), but if it doesn't that would be a good thing to do for usability.

zigbert wrote:
11.)
The gxine doesn't work when streaming internet radios.

Implementation in 4.2 is MU's modified gxine that resolves some playback issues. The version in 4.1.2 was problematic. We are looking at Alsaplayer+Streamtuner to overcome the issue of streaming radio.

zigbert wrote:
12.)
Yahtzee doesn't write highscore

Curious. I've been playing that version for quite a while and it writes my high scores file fine - in fact it improves the layout of that file by making the OK button visible at the bottom of the window at all times regardless of the number of entries (below the maximum number). More investigation required.

zigbert wrote:
13.)
fixmenus script fails to split name and description for
- Figaros password manager
- Rubix cube
- Manage printing
I have attached a updated fixmenus script

Grabbed, thank you Sigmund.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 06:02    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
also you didn't use the icewm6 I posted on page one of alpha4 you used icewm5 from alpha3. Icewm6 I did last night, it has the reduced right and left hand taskbar icons, plus I made all the themes look="flat" and re-enabled -show desktop, added back ttuuxxxView which was missing, the link was always on the rightclick of freememory applet, but the little script didn't find its way into the icewm release, it was used in my older larger release and when freememory was reused ttuuxxxView was left behind, by accident.
anyways I re-uploaded it to page 1 of this thread.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned that I hadn't included this one back in the Alpha4 thread. I got it too late to add to the Beta1 release but I've downloaded it and I'm testing it in my pre-beta2/rc1 test bed. It will be in but the number of themes will be pruned back for space considerations. Odelite will stay but the others will be left out of the standard release. I'd like to include BRdelite too, but I don't think I'll have the room. I have included Elberg-blue because I wanted users to have an option of 1xdark and 1xlight theme. If you wanted to try and trim that down it would be helpful. Maybe you'll get it small enough that I can include BRdelite original with the flat title bar and bubble buttons as a third option. Wink

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 06:05    Post subject:  

[quote="WhoDo"]
zigbert wrote:
1.)

zigbert wrote:
10.)
I couldn't install my printer because the lack of username/password

Long known userID=puppy pwd=woofwoof ... ttuuxxx's latest version has this pre-entered (I think), but if it doesn't that would be a good thing to do for usability. <---Not yet But I'll put it on the top of my list, If I'm unable to do so, because I checked google yesterday and it hasn't been done before, I'll change the html to provided the username and password so all users will know what it is.


zigbert wrote:
12.)
Yahtzee doesn't write highscore

Curious. I've been playing that version for quite a while and it writes my high scores file fine - in fact it improves the layout of that file by making the OK button visible at the bottom of the window at all times regardless of the number of entries (below the maximum number). More investigation required. <----- This is to do a with a incomplete tcl/tk package, I'm working on that also Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 06:13    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
Add the latest mtpaint plus the new snapshot with adjustable delay timer.

I'd love to but it needs serious pruning first.
it is, the size of the 3.20 with the updated snapshot pet packages is 261.12 KB pet or like 551kb installed

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about! Razz The version I had was 4.6Mb uncompressed and 3Mb of that was the manual! Surprised Thanks, ttuuxxx.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 07:23    Post subject:  

WhoDo delete that Mtpaint package you just downloaded and grab the latest and final version, this one has the following improvements over the first package
It becomes 'defaultimageviewer'
Included are the default icons that puppy uses 2mini and 1pixmaps
added the mimes also so you can't go wrong Smile

On another note WhoDo I seriously would consider scrapping the Icon-theme-selector and fixmenus script. This version is starting to act like a alpha. this is why
I replaced the missing rox mini icon, I compiled/installed the new mtpaint and looked at the other themes and the rox icon is disappeared again. Back to the link again, like the image earlier.
Also the 'shutdown menu was up' but now its reverted back to old look without the 'shutdown menu'
And it had a printer Icon in the menu, and now thats gone.
Really we are moving files in place where they never were, Things are breaking like pmount, Things are disappearing from menus, like the icons, or they aren't switching right. Its just over complicating things, I thing this crazy mess should go. Without a working drive mounting program makes this release a alpha, you can call it beta, but not by definition.
I've made icewm packages as you know including icons, that changed 90% of the menu icons by default, I've made firefox packages, that became default browsers and changed the desktop 'browser' icon, perfect 100% of the time. never failed once.
My advice is either package each of the icon sets up into pet packages. have them sit in a folder along with a cropped snapshot, for a viewer to pickup. like /user/share/iconssets
Then make a modified puppy package manager, that installs them without notice and displays the accompanying image of what it will look like.
It must have to do with the way the puppy manager installs things, because it just works for changing icons. No issues no problems.
We are getting way late into the game, to have serious issues thats cripples mounting of hard drives on a regular basis, i don't mind adding the Icon once, but every time I install somethings, I have to include that icon or my sata2 does work. thats not on.
Seriously we are Alpha 5 codename Beta1, lets replace it, or toss it. Tough call but its your ball park, bases are loaded and your up to bat.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 07:40    Post subject:  

One last rant before I'm done Shocked -ing
The old change you desktop icon switcher worked in 4.0.
Issues started happening with system links, menu files etc, to change menu icons and taskbar icons.
I would Toss the menu,taskbar icons
I would revert back to the old fixmenus script and desktop icon changer from series 4.0
I would Keep the Desktop icons only and have a nice day Smile
simple. Then I would say to who ever wants these things in place, make it work, remaster puppy, give me a testing iso that you can abuse, ex install/uninstall programs fixmenus, change wm/ change themes/ etc. use it for like a week. If it passes ask for the package and if doesn't It just wasn't ment to be.
If you want to go back to the old system, I could
package up the deskyop switcher from 4.0 series, strip out the mini icons, add the older fixmenus script. add the usr/share/applications/.desktop file
addselect the best of zigberts minicons and use them a default icon set for the taskbar and menus. etc
then end result would be
1 complete mini-icon theme for menu/taskbar that doesn't change via desktop icon chooser.
maybe 4 or 5 desktop only icon themes, and all the issues go away.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 08:25    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
Long known userID=puppy pwd=woofwoof ... ttuuxxx's latest version has this pre-entered (I think), but if it doesn't that would be a good thing to do for usability.


Is this not just a matter of going into /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and modifying all the lines that specify authentication?
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 08:44    Post subject:  

Here's a fix for tcl/tk TKYahtzee Highscore, once its installed, the high scores will display and will record the high scores. plus the error message is gone.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 08:47    Post subject:  

PUPPY 4.2 BETA NOTES

Still no printing for me. I set up my printer (Brother HL-5140 monochrome laser, HL-1240 driver) just as I did in Puppy 4.1.1, where printing works. With TextMaker 2002, I got an error message saying "lpr: Error - no default destination available." I looked in CUPS for how to set my printer as the default destination--no luck! With WISH Supernotepad, which also invokes lpr, nothing happened. With AbiWord, my printer was shown, but the status was "paused" although CUPS said it was "Idle." No luck. With SeaMonkey, the printer was correctly shown as "CUPS/Brother HL5140"--but nothing happened. I looked in /var/spool/cups and no jobs were shown. Back to the drawing board again!

Tcl 8.5.6 "clock" bug (apparently resulting from excessive zeal in cutting Tcl package down) not fixed; the "clock" command still doesn't work, and apps that invoke it still won't run. But, on the bright side, I installed my tcl- and tk-8.5.5-runtime .PETs with no problem; then "clock" worked and apps ran.

No thunderbolts, I trust, have struck you down from on high for daring to produce a Puppy of slightly more than 100 MB total size. I would strongly suggest that you bite the approximately 2-MB bullet and put in Tcl/Tk with just about everything except demos and man pages. That way everything will be sure to work, and it will still be only about half as big as the 4-MB bullet you were previously thinking of biting. Very Happy

IceWM taskbar still too cluttered. The "Shutdown" menu item should be changed to "Shutdown/Restart," and all sub-menu options should appear when the mouse is over the item, just as they do for "Desktop," "System," and all the other main menu items. New users are likely to be confused and even dismayed if they install packages and are told they have to restart the window manager to see a new menu item, but it isn't at all obvious how they're supposed to restart the window manager. "Shutdown" sounds pretty scary and not very relevant to merely restarting a window manager. Worse yet, after clicking Shutdown, and then the Advanced tab, I don't find "Restart IceWM" anywhere among the options! This is a change for the worse from 4.1.x, and really needs to be fixed.

A few great IceWM themes should be added. I suggest at least QuanX, ShineySingle, GoldenMood, Xtreme-Animated.

Thanks for trashing the Emacs GTK+ theme; the Raleigh theme is also ugly and not needed.

Please don't have xpad come up automatically.

By the way . . . you said you were going to get me the 4.2 versions of packages.txt and 0pkgs_db before the first beta. How about before the second beta, then? Like, um, maybe right about now? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 09:01    Post subject:  

pa_mcclamrock wrote:
PUPPY 4.2 BETA NOTES

David McClamrock

Hi david could you please try the above tcl/tk patch, It fixes the high scores error/problem in yahtzee, I was wondering how much of the errors does it fix:) hopefully all and save the full package space. But if not I was thinking, would it cause any problems if I edited /root/ztcltk/tcl8.5.6-i386/usr/lib/tcl8.5/tzdata
and removed most of countries ?)
Same with most of the files in /root/ztcltk/tcl8.5.6-i386/usr/lib/tcl8.5/encoding
could maybe be editited.
As Icewm goes WhoDo missed the latest package and I haven't tested yet the printing to see if anything is still missing or needed.
Thanks for your help
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 09:14    Post subject: mtPaint compilation  

People, if you want the smallest - and fastest - mtPaint binary, pass the "release" option to ./configure when compiling it.

This disables debug code GTK+ would otherwise add, and enables handpicked optimizations (depending on GCC version) which are guaranteed to have a positive effect.
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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 09:21    Post subject:  

Just another boring zigbert-comment about adding alsaplayer+gstreamer.

Yet another proposal to add new apps to the iso instead of
- improving already existing bytes.
- find something better that may replace the original.

Alsaplayer is a very nice audioplayer, - no doubt. Like said here before, it both streams and plays audio-CD (gxine does also play audio-CD). But when you want to manage a large music collection, Alsaplayer fails.

What Gxine doesn't do is streaming (well, not in Pupy 4.2, but it streams partly in Puppy 4.12). Gxine also misses features to manage the large collection. That's why Pmusic was created. - To fill a gap in Puppy. If we had a player that pleased us, we could trash both Pmusic and Gxine. Ending up with 3 players doesn't sound as the best solution for me.

Back to my point. Puppy supports streaming. Open a terminal and execute the following line:
Code:
ffmpeg -i "http://rockfun24.de:9001" -f au - | aplay


Last summer I made Pradio, which used this ffmpeg code-format. This is either a plugin to Pmusic or a standalone program. It has been on my wait-list since, waiting for a better ffmpeg package. Since ffmpeg also is capable to record desktop (video snapshot), I thought this had to come.




This could have been the time to attack the tcl/tk in Puppy 4.2, since the argumentation would have been similar. But I'll leave it. - Irritated opponents would soon leave me totally alone on this forum. But, I think it was a longterm strategic choice of Barry to skip tcl/tk before Puppy 4.

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PostPosted: Sun 15 Feb 2009, 10:49    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
[b]
Last summer I made Pradio, which used this ffmpeg code-format. This is either a plugin to Pmusic or a standalone program. It has been on my wait-list since, waiting for a better ffmpeg package. Since ffmpeg also is capable to record desktop (video snapshot), I thought this had to come.



Sigmund


Hi Sigmund where Pradio fails, is that it doesn't support Shoutcast Plugins, or Xiph plugins. you have to manually add your stations, and somewhat know what your doing, where as Streamtuner thats included in the Alsaplayer package does do and very well at that, It has thousands of stations at you figure tips, updated everytime you start the player up, If a station is closed, and the link is removed, it will no longer be listed, thats another feature that Pradio doesn't have, Pradio is good if you have a handful of personal stations you like to listen to and manage,you can also do that with streamtuner also:)
But it is nowhere near the shear mass as streamtuner.
I did not say to get rid of Pmusic either, But I do think that Pmusic has a way to go like to play cd's Gxine if you been reading takes around 15% of a cpu and for that reason is terrible for listening to cd's, or online audio streams, It will kill laptop batteries quickly if used for that.
Plus it plays online streams very smooth, and cd's also, Streamtuner+Alsa package is very sweet deal, Plus Pmusic no offense does not shut off, Unless you use process, And right now PMusic is buggy, when its opened my mouse is dragging all over the place, I shut pmusic down and its still doing it, I Open Pprocess and Kill pmusic and my mouse is perfect. whats up with that, i have 11gigs of memory left and 98% of my cpu left, run PMusic and its like I have 0% left.

Oh ya, have you really tried the package I made sigmund??
I've made Streamtuner a default library ./root/My-Music in there you just make all the directories you like and streamtuner has a local tab, if you click on that it will play each song that you select, kind of not the best way, butttttttttt if Alsaplayer does have a excellent playlist editor m3u , You can add as many song as you like, how I do it is in My-Music, I make all different folders for different music , Rock, ALternative,Celtic,Wife,Kids etc then I make a m3u playlist for each with Alsaplayer then I simply open Alsaplayer select the playlist.m3u for which folder I want and then I have choice with Alsaplayer either shuffle or playlist loop and sit back and enjoy Smile

this is what the local folder on streamtuner looks like, Like I said alsa is better for list, but live radio streams linux has nothing as light and equipped as Streamtuner for thousands of updated by the minute online streams . And Alsaplayer playlist can work in the folder very well.
Maybe download the package and try it Smile both packages combined in one pet is 466kb. The previous released streamtuner was 601kb pet and didn't look as good as this one:) plus the last alsaplayer 375kb, my version is 1/2 that size and plays way better streams due to alsaplayes low cpu usage against Gxine the cpu hungry monster Shocked One plays streams smooth and the other is choppy,

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=14958
Alsaplayer still needs the mime's but I'll add them tomorrow , Also with AlsaPlayer you can make as many m3u list or import them as you like.
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