Newyearspup 02 Micro, Mini, Midi, and Maxi RC10

[MUguest]

Dave,
I made a small error in xorgwizard.
If you select the "173" driver, then "96" is installed.
If you select the "96" driver, then "173" is installed.
I will upload an updated pet this evening, when I'm back home.

For now, please try the "96" (which in reality will install the 173).
As you wrote, it will not work, then please do this:
After X fails to start, type:
cp -ax /var/log/Xorg.0.log /root/

Then start X with a working driver, and attach /root/Xorg.0.log here.
This is required to find out, why the 173 driver does not work for you.

Mark

[davesurrey]

Hello Mark,
xorg.log file (selecting 96) attached.
HTH
Dave

[tlchost]

Here is my latest look with your new icons and themes:

Which theme did you use to show the drive icons on the desktop?

Thanks

[tlchost]

Should the usb bootable version automount all drives?

It appears that only the usb drive is auto-mounted. Not sure if I changed anything, or if it's normal for the auto-mount not to function with a USB bootable.

Thanks for any help

Thom

[MU]

Should the usb bootable version automount all drives?
It appears that only the usb drive is auto-mounted. Not sure if I changed anything, or if it's normal for the auto-mount not to function with a USB bootable.
Thanks for any help
Thom

I did not heck it with bootable usb-drives.
I just use non bootable usb-harddisks, that get mounted.
It basically will mount all drives you see with:
fdisk -l
or
muppyfinddisks -m

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I updated the nvidia173 pet, now the menu entries in xorgwizard should work as expected.

Now I will have a look at Daves logfiles.
Mark

[MU]

Dave,

your log shows:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure
(EE) NVIDIA(0): that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and
(EE) NVIDIA(0): that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly.
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Please consult the NVIDIA README for details.
(EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting ***
(II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"

So please again, try this driver.
Then when X fails, type:
modprobe nvidia
Note down the error you get, please.

And type:
du /lib/modules/2.6.27.5/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
Please note down the number it returns.

And type:
dmesg >/root/dmesg.txt
cp -ax /var/log/messages /root/

Then attach here:
/root/dmesg.txt and
/root/messages

Then try it again, but first type:
depmod -a

But I think, this will not help, it is just a try.
Maybe with the things you note down, I will have a better idea.
Mark

[techtype]

Here is my latest look with your new icons and themes:

Which theme did you use to show the drive icons on the desktop?

Thanks

No particular theme does it. I created the symlinks myself in "Desktop". That is why the icons for the drives show as folders.

[davesurrey]

Hi Mark,
Hope your first week on java was interestng and that I didn't distract you from your studies.

I didn't see any pointer to a new driver-pet that you mentioned so I assumed it was at the same place as the previous one. It had the same name but the MD5 checked out different.

When I originally installed the original driver it said that it was not possible to un-install it. Gave it a try anyway but PetGet took forever and then froze. So installed the new driver over the old one. Hope this was okay.

Or did you mean start afresh with a new install?

Anyway, restarted and did xorgwizard selecting the 173 and it failed to start.
Restarted with the 96 driver and started but nvidia says using 96 driver.
So I assume the selection now does select the driver it says it is going to, but still works only with 96 and not 173. Not sure if that is what you were expecting.

Okay...

modprobe nvidia returns nothing..back to prompt.

du /lib/modules/2.6.27.5/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko returns
"7700 /the file above"

Files attached have suffix _first
ie message_first.

Then did xorgwizard with 173 again.
Then did depmod -a
modprobe nvidia returns nothing..back to prompt.

du /lib/modules/2.6.27.5/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko returns
"5300....." this time

File saves now have suffix "second"

By the way Ubuntu uses the 173.14.12 driver whereas I see you are using the 173.14.15. It probably is irrelevant but I would prefer to give you too much info than too little.

Enjoy the weekend
Dave

[MU]

yes, the course is ok, thanks
When I tried to learn Java 10 years ago, I did not undertand it. Meanwhile, thanks to my experience with Perl and C, I find it pretty simple to understand.
Just a pity that it is so huge and slow on older computers, so it is not interesting for Puppy.


It was correct, to install the updated driver over the old one.

Ok, the messages give us important hints.

Feb 6 20:49:01 (none) user.warn kernel: NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 173.14.15, but
Feb 6 20:49:01 (none) user.warn kernel: NVRM: this kernel module has the version 96.43.09. Please
Feb 6 20:49:01 (none) user.warn kernel: NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver
Feb 6 20:49:01 (none) user.warn kernel: NVRM: components have the same version.

This means, that the 96 kernelmodule still is loaded, when you select the 173 driver.
Maybe it cannot be unloaded?
I vaguely remember, I also had a similar issue once.

You should do:
1.) select in xorgwizard the driver 173.
2.) Try to start X.
3.) when you arrive back at the prompt, type "reboot" or hit CTRL-ALT-DEL.
4.) hope and prey, that after the reboot, xorg works now, as now no old module still is in memory.
5.) If it does not start, type again:
du /lib/modules/2.6.27.5/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
It should return approx. 7700.
6.) I need again then the current dmesg and messages.

Mark

[davesurrey]

Hi Mark,
And the answer is.......yes, it works!!!!
This is really great.

Just to be specific, if I select driver-173 on reboot it loads the 173-driver as confirmed by the "nvidia X-server settings" app. It offers me resolutions up to 1400x1050.

Unfortunately I still get unacceptable screen flicker at 1024x768 and some other resolutions but it seems fine at 1280x960 so I have selected that; (sorry to mention it again but never had this prob with the ubuntu driver, although it is a diff version of driver they use).

The borderless windows problem is now fixed on all the apps I have tested so far. This makes the whole thing workable now.

There is still a lot I need to experiment with as I am unfamiliar with this WM and many things to learn how to adjust (quite diff from the 412 I am used to)

My main concern is there still seems to be some instability on switching desktops but until I can be more specific I know that general comments
like that are not very helpful.

Many thanks again Mark.

Dave

[MU]

great!
Concerning the screen flicker, I have no idea at moment.
Maybe you can use the Nvidia settings program in the menu to set up something, that avoids it.
At moment, I use the Ati card, so cannot run it.
But sometimes, these settings programs have an option concerning "vsync", maybe that plays a role.

I could not compile 173.14.12 with Kernel 2.6.27.5, so maybe Ubuntu patched it.
I found similar patches in the past already for other drivers.
I can try to create a patched 173.14.12 in the next days.

Concerning the desktopswitcher, there might be a timing problem on older machines.
I encountered it very seldom on my new computer, if I clicked very quick on the different buttons to switch a desktop. After some slight changes for rc1, this issue was solved here.
I must investigate that on my old notebook this month, as we have several reports concerning this issue now.

Mark

[davesurrey]

Mark,
I'll have a "play" around this coming week and if I see anything that is of help (including the flicker and desktop switcher) I'll let you know.

Now to dig my car out of the snow...
Global warming???

Have a good weekend
Dave

[techtype]

Concerning the desktopswitcher, there might be a timing problem on older machines.
I encountered it very seldom on my new computer, if I clicked very quick on the different buttons to switch a desktop. After some slight changes for rc1, this issue was solved here.
I must investigate that on my old notebook this month, as we have several reports concerning this issue now.

Mark

I found that if I customize the desktop under LXDE and then switch desktops a few times and then switch back to LXDE -- the customizations are screwed up or lost.

[tlchost]

I found that if I customize the desktop under LXDE and then switch desktops a few times and then switch back to LXDE -- the customizations are screwed up or lost.

I notice that while you can disable desklets Under Desktop Options....you can't activate them again....which is annoying....

What file can I manually change?

I still can't save more than two sessions to a LiveDVD

Thom

[Tigger1]

I hope that you will take my test results with a grain of salt as I understand thay are still in Beta form.Test machines are Eeepc 701,Hp2133mini-note,MSI Wind U-100,Dell XPS2010 lappy,Dell Optiplex 745.All systems are intell chips 2gig ram.Ati card HD3100 in Dell 2010,all others have intel grafic cards (ie) 915-945 series cards. Tested all flavors of your release on all systems at least an hour or till I gave up.All flavors seem to work ok but as stated before the load time is way long even with 2gig ram,Screen flicker is not so bad on the small screens Eeepc is best, worst is Hp2133 using Via chip and Dell 2010 uses Ati grafics.No USB mouse or keyboard on any of my systems usable(Switched to wired works) Logitech EX110 keyboard and mouse combos are used daily.Intel sound on Dell,Wind,HP no joy,ALSA reports no sound card,but worked around and now have sound.Agree with others about screen clutter(icons all over) but not a prob.Am very impressed with the Look and Feel of the Distros and will prob do and upgrade to them as soon as the Bugs are worked out,as I feel that It might be time to upgrade from Puppy 3.01 on our Office/field computers.Please dont stop your work! As this distro and its many options of programs,looks and styles is a winner.THANK YOU

[MU]

I notice that while you can disable desklets Under Desktop Options....you can't activate them again....which is annoying....

What file can I manually change?
Thom

you mean gdesklets?
It works here to switch them on/off.
/root/.desktopchooser/app-settings/gdesklets.use
should contain a "1".

If they don't start, please try to run "gdesklets" from a consolewindow to see, if they have a problem and report an error.

Mark

[tlchost]

you mean gdesklets?

If they don't start, please try to run "gdesklets" from a consolewindow to see, if they have a problem and report an error.

Mark

They run and now I can switch them on and off....thanks for the help.

Thom

[tlchost]

Here's what I have discovered about remastering, or the inability to do so.

Either the Dougal script or the distro will not write to an ntfs partition

A remastered DVD will only save sessions to the DVD 2 times, then reports session not saved.

If one creates a bootable USB, saves to the USB drive work fine.

A Live-DVD will recognize the .2fs file on the USB drive.

If one attempts to create an ISO using the Bootable DVD and the save file on the USB drive, the iso is created, you can burn a DVD....it boots....but will not let you save the session to either the DVD or to the USB drive.

Thom

[MU]

Thom, concerning NTFS:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 578#274578

Please trywhat I suggest in th end of the message to fix the broken symlink, written in blue.
Simply type it in a consolewindow.

**edit, no forget it, see following message there
Thom,

Code: Select all

Either the Dougal script or the distro will not write to an ntfs partition

Can you write to that partition without the remaster scripts?
Or is it mounted read only in the filemanagers, too?


Mark

[tlchost]

Thom, concerning NTFS:
Can you write to that partition without the remaster scripts?
Or is it mounted read only in the filemanagers, too?
Mark

When I tried to copy a file to the ntfs partition from the command line, I got a message
telling me it's a read-only file system

Thom