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J-Bob


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jan 2009, 17:21    Post subject:  Puppy 3.02CE Going BETA!
Subject description: communication about the next release.
 

Well, i put quite a bit of thought into it, and once i get finished with loading the fixes i found, the system should be able to install, use modules, and work hopefully without error.

this is why i decided for the next release, things are going to become interesting.

For Beta 1.

- Fixed PetGet, posisbly with some Puppy 4 Packages added into their own category in the Puppy3 livepackage file. hopefully to allow a simpler system for package management, while allowing people to use later software.

- Updated squashfs, people might make modules on puppy 4 machines, and we want these to work with it.

- Fixed installer, one of the final major bugs to be fixed, uses the 3.01 installer. Might make a version using puppy 4's.

- linking various mime-types of the same program, this might save a few kilos.

- further cut-down, Gaim removed.

For Beta 2

- Possibility of preloading EeePC drivers into it by default.

- Might update ALSA, so i can use this on my desktop.

- Might make a new look specifically for netbooks.

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suggestions would be great, but b advised that not all will be chosen, and sending me PMs about it will only make me want to not add them even more.

You have been warned, somewhat. well, not really.

- J-Bob
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 02:21    Post subject:  

naming confusion....

http://puppylinux.ca/tpp/tronkel/

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=20962

why not make it 3.2 and incorporate the 4.2 core upgrades like hotrox and pwidgets

also why not replace gaim/ayttm with meebo.com there is already a startup script in /usr/local/bin (in 4.1.X anyways) it basically just calls bareview http://www.meebo.com (just add a desktop file for it in /usr/share/applications)

similarly you can replace some other programs with browser plugins like fireftp and simple mail(may require xsidebar) as well as xinha html editor
(this would also allow you to use firepup) to start these you would make a desktop file that either calls bareview or defaultbrowser chrome://....

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 03:02    Post subject:  

I made these packages really small for 4.2 maybe you could use them

Xchat 684KB Instant messenger I configured it to auto login into #puppylinux for help, changed the fonts etc 684KB
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13878

People really do hate using online IM like mebo where its difficult to login, where you can't save your friends on a list etc, Its not a messenger it a direct login.

Xpad 44kb is a sticky note system, would be best installed and have it autostart, because it min to the taskbar and makes it handy to use. its not really handy if you need to click menu, then documents, the Xpad. notes are made to be quick and simple and this program even remembers your notes until you delete them
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13874

Parcellite 22kb Cliboard
Better than glipper and should be auto-started when booting.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13265

Icewm 575kb
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13759

xarchiver 111kb replacement for Xarchive
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37276

Updated package manager
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13571

GTK 337kb Hash gives you md5 and shaw1 sums
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32700

MtPaint3.29 260kb latest version
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13894

If you installed all these it would be around 1.25 MB because most of them are replacing current ones.
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 07:50    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
I made these packages really small for 4.2 maybe you could use them

Xchat 684KB Instant messenger I configured it to auto login into #puppylinux for help, changed the fonts etc 684KB
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13878

People really do hate using online IM like mebo where its difficult to login, where you can't save your friends on a list etc, Its not a messenger it a direct login.

Xpad 44kb is a sticky note system, would be best installed and have it autostart, because it min to the taskbar and makes it handy to use. its not really handy if you need to click menu, then documents, the Xpad. notes are made to be quick and simple and this program even remembers your notes until you delete them
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13874

Parcellite 22kb Cliboard
Better than glipper and should be auto-started when booting.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13265

Icewm 575kb
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13759

xarchiver 111kb replacement for Xarchive
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37276

Updated package manager
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13571

GTK 337kb Hash gives you md5 and shaw1 sums
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32700

MtPaint3.29 260kb latest version
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13894

If you installed all these it would be around 1.25 MB because most of them are replacing current ones.
ttuuxxx


I think those would be good to fit into the beta. I never liked Xarchive very much, it usually had bugs and was quite slow. So i think a replacement is in order.

Updating Mtpaint is also something i think would be very good to see.

I'm also on possibly having a boot screen kid of like what WhoDO has for Alpha 1 of 4.2.

Speaking of 4.2 i have plans to download the alpha, for what i have been hearing, it sounds highly promising.

And I'm thinking of making FirePup + SimpleMail + The WYSIWYG Addon for a lightweight SeaMonkey killer.

GTK Hash would be a very nice utility to include,

And Xnote and Xchat would be very nice to include.

But it's still being called 3.02 if you are wondering. As this is a progression to Puppy 3.10 not 3.1. Partially like how Puppy 2.xx went and how 3.xx was planned.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 12:16    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
I made these packages really small for 4.2 maybe you could use them

Xchat 684KB Instant messenger I configured it to auto login into #puppylinux for help, changed the fonts etc 684KB
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13878

People really do hate using online IM like mebo where its difficult to login, where you can't save your friends on a list etc, Its not a messenger it a direct login.

Xpad 44kb is a sticky note system, would be best installed and have it autostart, because it min to the taskbar and makes it handy to use. its not really handy if you need to click menu, then documents, the Xpad. notes are made to be quick and simple and this program even remembers your notes until you delete them
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13874

Parcellite 22kb Cliboard
Better than glipper and should be auto-started when booting.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13265

Icewm 575kb
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13759

xarchiver 111kb replacement for Xarchive
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37276

Updated package manager
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13571

GTK 337kb Hash gives you md5 and shaw1 sums
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=32700

MtPaint3.29 260kb latest version
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=13894

If you installed all these it would be around 1.25 MB because most of them are replacing current ones.
ttuuxxx


out of all those minus icewm. only 2 programs worked. Gtkhash, and MtPaint. The only other one that worked was parcellite, but when i try to edit the clipboard, it crashes with a symbol lookup error.

and everything else has a symbol lookup error involving g_once_enter_impl.

if someone could help me with this, it would be appreciated.

And I'm cautious about IceWm, it's going into 4.2 from what i know, but if that does a full transition. Than where would be the traditional puppy look.

This Pup fits with a different niche than 4.2. 4.2 is mainstream. But if you need an older kernel, than this might be better for some people. As it fits as a minimalistic type of puppy. As that was what it was intended to be since it's inception.

And i'm keeping it thin to allow for more drivers in the future. Possibly in 3.03 or 3.04

but you never know.

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 12:38    Post subject:  

Ya thats the differences between 4 series and 3, if you get a working model and devx, I could recompile them.
Icewm probably would work, Just remember the most popular CE ever was 2.15ce and the default window manager was IceWm, and also since my 2 releases of icewm, I've had over 1000 downloads, just to show how popular it is.
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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan 2009, 13:04    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
Ya thats the differences between 4 series and 3, if you get a working model and devx, I could recompile them.
Icewm probably would work, Just remember the most popular CE ever was 2.15ce and the default window manager was IceWm, and also since my 2 releases of icewm, I've had over 1000 downloads, just to show how popular it is.
ttuuxxx


that would probably be good for a later release. As i got past most issues with 3.02 and it looks like it might be stable enough to be the Beta 1 Release.

It's likely i might add it to 3.02 beta 2. As i got another person working with me. His account on the forum is B-Ren from what i believe.

That would be one of my relatives. He introduced me to puppy, and I help bring him back to it.

I imagine he would be more than happy to try and help with modding your theme to make it work with his Greenlooks theme he's making.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 16:59    Post subject:  

Well, i'm downloading the IceWm package you made, and i'm preparing to get it ready for Puppy 3.02CE Release Candidate (there may only be one RC), as i imagine that when Puppy 2.xx was around, releases usually were once every two weeks or something like that.

And well, I have no life. that's why i can prepare Puppy 3.02CE this quick.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 17:36    Post subject:  

J-Bob wrote:
Well, i'm downloading the IceWm package you made, and i'm preparing to get it ready for Puppy 3.02CE Release Candidate (there may only be one RC), as i imagine that when Puppy 2.xx was around, releases usually were once every two weeks or something like that.

And well, I have no life. that's why i can prepare Puppy 3.02CE this quick.
Have you thought about turning 3.02ce into Slackware 12.2 bin compatibility?. i started making packages for it, If you want them I could upload the package, really its just a handful of packages. But the devx would have to be updated also. The ones I made were for the OS side, but I still have the original Slackware version also so you could just extract the dev parts from the originals.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 17:41    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
J-Bob wrote:
Well, i'm downloading the IceWm package you made, and i'm preparing to get it ready for Puppy 3.02CE Release Candidate (there may only be one RC), as i imagine that when Puppy 2.xx was around, releases usually were once every two weeks or something like that.

And well, I have no life. that's why i can prepare Puppy 3.02CE this quick.
Have you thought about turning 3.02ce into Slackware 12.2 bin compatibility?. i started making packages for it, If you want them I could upload the package, really its just a handful of packages. But the devx would have to be updated also. The ones I made were for the OS side, but I still have the original Slackware version also so you could just extract the dev parts from the originals.
ttuuxxx


I have from time to time, but my goal is primarily to revive the remnants of the TalkingStick project.

Primarily why i'm hoping that Lobster will be able to set me up with the ability to edit the wiki to add another CE into the list called Remnant. meaning the revived remains of Puppy 3.02CE, as the original goal never went through.

But if you could upload the slack 12.2 packages that would be appreciated.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 18:14    Post subject:  

Ya sure here they are, The pets are the finished ones, there's only 1 perl, the others still have to made, but its a good start.
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/Slack12.2/
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 18:36    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
Ya sure here they are, The pets are the finished ones, there's only 1 perl, the others still have to made, but its a good start.
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/Slack12.2/
ttuuxxx


I'm downloading them as i speak.

Strangely i have heard nothing from tronkel in quite a long time.

Well, i guess it's You, Jon, and me in this project as of late.

do you know where i can get the offline website, i think that would be a good addition. And possibly netsurf.

I'm currently making Chihuahua a barebones release, but 3.03 i hope to have work more like regular puppy, but possibly with a different set of tools.

As this is meant for later respins by the community.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 18:50    Post subject:  

J-Bob wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
Ya sure here they are, The pets are the finished ones, there's only 1 perl, the others still have to made, but its a good start.
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/Slack12.2/
ttuuxxx


I'm downloading them as i speak.

Strangely i have heard nothing from tronkel in quite a long time.

Well, i guess it's You, Jon, and me in this project as of late.

do you know where i can get the offline website, i think that would be a good addition. And possibly netsurf.

I'm currently making Chihuahua a barebones release, but 3.03 i hope to have work more like regular puppy, but possibly with a different set of tools.

As this is meant for later respins by the community.

Netsurf is great and all but it doesn't download pet packages, basically your screen fills up with the code, it doesn't have the right click 'Save As'. So really its only for website viewing which makes it a very limited browser.
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 18:53    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
J-Bob wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
Ya sure here they are, The pets are the finished ones, there's only 1 perl, the others still have to made, but its a good start.
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/Slack12.2/
ttuuxxx


I'm downloading them as i speak.

Strangely i have heard nothing from tronkel in quite a long time.

Well, i guess it's You, Jon, and me in this project as of late.

do you know where i can get the offline website, i think that would be a good addition. And possibly netsurf.

I'm currently making Chihuahua a barebones release, but 3.03 i hope to have work more like regular puppy, but possibly with a different set of tools.

As this is meant for later respins by the community.

Netsurf is great and all but it doesn't download pet packages, basically your screen fills up with the code, it doesn't have the right click 'Save As'. So really its only for website viewing which makes it a very limited browser.
ttuuxxx


It has dillo which it uses, does dillo download packages?
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan 2009, 19:06    Post subject:  

Yes I just tried the latest dillo, It does download packages, but it doesn't do frames or java script, heres a link, you need the 2 packages to make it work, dillo & flt
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http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1794464437&t=34588

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