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#16 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 18:06

goes off,lol Sorry I was confusing it with my frugal install

I think frugal is the best for packager and developers, with my 13 gig pupsave, I copy it as pup_save.zzz and when I get a major muckup. I just restart and do the puppy fix=ram, then copy my files from the messed-up pupsave to a folder, then delete the pupsave and copy the backup and restart the pc and I'm back in business in about 5 or less minutes with the compiler,icewm and a handful of programs, very handy. I think I might give up on compiling live, its quick this way, because compiling live takes about 15mins just to check the dep when installing my devx_410.pet, then reinstall all my programs I use, maybe 1hr.
ttuuxxx

rjbrewer · #17 Post by **rjbrewer** » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 18:16

Vague memory;

I had Redhat 9 installed when I first got my old pc.
It had the option of automounting drives. I tried that, but
once it automounted the cd drive and started mounting all
the rpm packages; (or something like that). Very messy.

Does mepis have something like that?

bambuko · #18 Post by **bambuko** » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 20:10

well, I have tried

the title of the thread is:

free memory indicator (bottom RH corner) FULL INSTALL

and I started the description of the problem by saying:

I have FULL INSTALL

fully in the knowledge that there was bound to be somebody who will advise me to do something with my pupsave file

I think, I will make suggestion to the mods, that we should have the section of the forum dedicated to FULL INSTALL,
where any mention of frugal, or multisession dvd, will be met with full and instant banishment from the section

Joking aside, thanks for trying ttuuxxx (we all suffer from senior moments occasionally),
maybe now, that you know what I am talking about, you will have some idea about my problem

bambuko · #19 Post by **bambuko** » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 20:15

ttuuxxx wrote:. . .when I get a major muckup. I just restart and do the puppy fix=ram, then copy my files from the messed-up pupsave to a folder, then delete the pupsave and copy the backup and restart the pc and I'm back in business in about 5 or less minutes with the compiler,icewm and a handful of programs. . . then reinstall all my programs I use, maybe 1hr

seems to me like a very complicated way of doing things

when I muck up I just restore partition image and I am done in a couple of minutes, back exactly where I was before I started . . .

canbyte · #20 Post by **canbyte** » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 21:33

Also having problems which result in cpu usage going way up as shown by the red area increasing. Trying to run audio cd Gets very slow, like the audio player is bloating itself in memory. No sound. Using 385meg ram. Should be enough. 17g free on HD puppy 4.1.2, on hd.

fwiw, Link to that thread:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=37549

bambuko · #21 Post by **bambuko** » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 21:57

I wonder, who? and why? has changed the title of this thread

I have changed it back to original to avoid the usual confusion in Puppy forum when somebody asks a question specific to FULL INSTALL ONLY

bambuko · #22 Post by **bambuko** » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 22:12

canbyte wrote:Also having problems which result in cpu usage going way up as shown by the red area increasing. . .

is yours FULL INSTALL also?

rjbrewer · #23 Post by **rjbrewer** » Sun 11 Jan 2009, 23:36

It's normal for the cpu meter to turn mostly red when a program is
loading. Doesn't matter if it's full or frugal install. It settles down once the program is loaded and running.

With my little 400mghz p2 it will be mostly red continuously when
trying to watch a streaming video website; and "top" shows the
processor usage at around 90 percent. Speed counts.

bambuko · #24 Post by **bambuko** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 00:29

rjbrewer wrote:. . .Doesn't matter if it's full or frugal install. . .

AFAIK this meter indicates different things for full (free space on the drive/partition where puppy is installed) and for frugal (free space in save file)
Potential causes of problems and solutions are different for each type of install
Plus of course the size matters

rjbrewer · #25 Post by **rjbrewer** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 00:46

I wasn't talking about the little blue box with the numbers in it:
I meant the little grey box to it's right with the changing red graph.

bambuko · #26 Post by **bambuko** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 01:02

yes, just scrolling seamonkey screen up and down can take up to 30% or 40% CPU (all of this taken by X :0 -br -nolisten tcp )
and this on AMD 64 x2 Dual Core 5000+ processor . . .

rjbrewer · #27 Post by **rjbrewer** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 01:59

An idea;

Puppy doesn't support dual core processors yet; and in the menu
list of frugal installs the third line, (begins with kernel) ends with
puppyxxx=nosmp.
Check your full install menu list and see if nosmp is in there.
Might make a difference.

bambuko · #28 Post by **bambuko** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 09:03

sorry for being so thick

where do I find "full install menu list" ?

rjbrewer · #29 Post by **rjbrewer** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 09:21

Your boot grub menu list.

bambuko · #30 Post by **bambuko** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 10:31

sorry

I should have thought about menu.lst

line beginning with kernel has only:

Code: Select all

kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda3 ro vga=normal

and absolutely nothing else

rjbrewer · #31 Post by **rjbrewer** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 10:44

try this, can't hurt xx is your puppy number

vga=normal puppy4xx=nosmp

bambuko · #32 Post by **bambuko** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 14:21

thanks rjbrewer for bringing this to my attention (I didn't even think about dual core as an issue

)
I did a bit of search and found this re Puppy 4.0 (which mine is):

Alternative 4.00 live-CD with 2.6.25 kernel
The 'standard' build of Puppy 4.00 is file 'puppy-4.00-k2.6.21.7-seamonkey.iso, which is 87.1MB -- compare that with Puppy 3.01 'standard' (with much less functionality) which is 98.6MB!
I have also built 'puppy-4.00-k2.6.25-seamonkey.iso', using the latest Linux kernel. This may not be quite as mature for wireless network connectivity though. Choose this one if you want support for a dual-core CPU (but the 'standard' build with mono-core 2.6.21.7 kernel works on dual-core systems). Also, strangely enough, we have more success booting older PCs with the 2.6.23 and later kernels, so try this one if Puppy fails to boot.
The 2.6.25 kernel is configured with the unified /dev/sd* and /dev/sr* drive naming, which may cause some difficulty if you need to configure GRUB.

this is from:
Puppy release notes 4.0
btw 'puppy-4.00-k2.6.25-seamonkey.iso' is not available through normal download channels (only as a torrent)

so
a)2.6.21.7 is supposed to be OK despite being mono-core
b)I might try 2.6.25 or even investigate 4.1+ ??

see also:
Barry's blog

rjbrewer · #33 Post by **rjbrewer** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 14:38

Maybe what he was saying, is that the mono core system is okay' if
it has nosmp (Sadistic Machiavellian Processor) added to end.
I'm not sure which of the latest kernels, if either, has support.

bambuko · #34 Post by **bambuko** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 15:35

I am so out of my depth on the subject, that I don't even know what smp stands for

I better do some reading

later edit:
apparently it is symmetric multi processing and you can read about it here:
Linux and symmetric multiprocessing

rjbrewer · #35 Post by **rjbrewer** » Mon 12 Jan 2009, 16:11

From Barrys" Blog

Posted on 9 Aug 2008, 14:02 by John_Doe
re: nosmp with 4..0.5
As I had also mentioned in a forum thread that some versions were freezing from me, just wanted to comment that all is well now with 'nosmp'. I'm at 10hours 35 minutes with the computer in the Out house (it was the one that froze). It has a hyper threaded processor. If I have a chance I will test out the same on my laptop. I burned up it's power supply in a recent lightning strike. Still have to order another.
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