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Boot/GRUB problem (error 2)
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mrbball151

Joined: 02 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jan 2009, 20:23    Post subject:  

I changed the firefox icon. Smile

I tried to zoom, but the issue with that is while the button and text appear larger, the rest of the text looks even rougher around the edges (e.g. on the Google page, the Google logo looks messed up as I zoom). In general, I think it seems like an issue of crispness, even with the fonts being good for the most part apart from some buttons and what not.

I'm not sure if it's just the button that's small, or if it's the text, or both. I do know that whatever I type in the search is really small and clumped together.

If it would help, I can try and post a screenshot. I'm used to hitting printscreen button, going into paint, pasting, saving, and uploading on a image hosting website. Not sure how to do it in Puppy though.
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jan 2009, 20:41    Post subject:  

Go to Edit > Preferences > Content > Fonts and Colours > Advanced

There is an item for Minimum Font Size. Set it to something like 14.
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mrbball151

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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jan 2009, 21:06    Post subject:  

Looks like that worked. Smile

I just feel like something is off. I turned on my laptop to compare and try to figure out what the difference is. The best I can come up with is an issue of clarity/sharpness to everything in firefox. The font size and everything is pretty much resolved at this point, and so that's not the issue. It just seems that maybe it's the quality/crispness of the font/text that is lacking, especially in comparison to what I'm used to seeing.

It's kind of hard to describe, and maybe this is simply how it should be, but I feel a change in resolution or something could be helpful (I vaguely remember having to pick something for the monitor settings during or after the install, I just picked whatever the default option was).
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Fri 02 Jan 2009, 21:12    Post subject:  

I have always been partial to 800x600. Under the Setup menu, you will find the wizards for changing resolution.
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mrallaire

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jan 2009, 13:13    Post subject: Missing Operating System  

Hello,

I struggled for days to get Puppy Linux installed on my hard drive. It turned I too had an Inode Size of 256.

rcrsn51's solution solved my problem, but only after re-running the Grub Bootloader Config program and making the necessary changes to the menu.lst file.

The reason is that GRUB is in 2 parts (stages). Stage 1 is copied to your MBR which gets deleted when you repartition a drive. Stage 2 is what you see on your hard drive, typically in /boot/grub.

Just an additional note incase someone else get's stuck like I did.
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jan 2009, 15:16    Post subject:  

Thanks for replying. This problem first appeared in the Linux world in the spring of 2008, and it's finally started to filter down to Puppy. There have been four episodes in the last few weeks.

Perhaps the maintainers of puppylinux.com and puppylinux.org need to make some statement about the issue on their sites.
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samysdad

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Feb 2009, 22:33    Post subject:  Bitten by 256 vs 128 inode!  

This is really sad.. I spent 3 hrs fiddling around in the GRUB files trying to get it to work... finally I found this posting!

Switched over to 128 and Puppy's working now.

Someone really needs to manage QA on this kinda stuff... especially for stuff where new users are concerned.
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Sun 08 Feb 2009, 00:32    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
Thanks for replying. This problem first appeared in the Linux world in the spring of 2008, and it's finally started to filter down to Puppy. There have been four episodes in the last few weeks.


Your post doesn't specify what problem. In context with other posts, I take it you refer to GRUB and inode sizes?

I find the subject interesting as you can well imagine. Frankly, I've never had such a problem, not now or ever. I only encounter it in forum postings.

Do you have an idea why?

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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Sun 08 Feb 2009, 09:30    Post subject:  

@BruceB: From the first page of the thread:

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When you installed Ubuntu, it would have reformatted the drive as ext2 or ext3. Unfortunately, the recent releases of some Linux's contain formatting tools that are not compatible with Puppy's version of GRUB.


Also from a previous thread about the same issue:

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Believe it or not, the actual culprit here may be your Parted Magic CD. In the past, ext partitions have been formatted with an inode value of 128. But around v2.0, PMagic upgraded to a new release of the e2fsprogs package which uses a default value of 256. Supposedly, this is in preparation for the upcoming ext4 filesystem.

Unfortunately, the GRUB 0.97 used by Puppy can't read an ext partition with 256 byte inodes. Hence, your "file not found" errors.


Also, read here.
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Bruce B


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PostPosted: Sun 08 Feb 2009, 09:49    Post subject:  

rcrsn51,

Thanks.

Keeping in mind that all my experience on this has come from you in bits and pieces.

The *buntu stuff makes sense, the 'guy' is a rich business man, not a software lover, not as far as I can determine. He'll likely do it his way. Mostly vendor centric or mostly user centric? It seems vendor centric to me.

Big question, is *buntu not using the legacy GRUB 0.97 ?

Bruce

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Feb 2009, 10:23    Post subject:  

From what I have read, the big-boy distros were able to patch their old GRUB 0.97 to allow for 256 byte inodes, and are now moving to GRUB2.
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PostPosted: Sun 08 Feb 2009, 12:30    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
From what I have read, the big-boy distros were able to patch their old GRUB 0.97 to allow for 256 byte inodes, and are now moving to GRUB2.


Very interesting. This patching is a theory or a fair certainty?

Suppose, by chance or even by deliberation, I install a GRUB that works with the 256 byte Inode size?

Would it be good to send the parts to you for packaging, maybe for Puppy?

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On the funny side. I have a directory on my system called puppy_parts, which seems fine to me, makes sense, follows the rules of giving directory meaningful names and all.

A friend was visiting, looked over my shoulder and saw the directory puppy_parts, it really caught his attention and peaked his curiosity. He wanted to know what that was about.

So I told him, "That's where I keep Puppy parts."

"Oookay", he said.

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PostPosted: Sun 08 Feb 2009, 16:30    Post subject:  

Here is a post from another recent thread to indicate how pervasive the 256 byte inode problem is becoming:

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The reason why EasyBCD didn't work was that the inode size of my puppy partition was 256.

I formated the partition again with puppy's gparted (NOTE: before I ALSO formated it with gparted but that was a standalone version).
I then reinstalled puppy in frugal mode and now EasyBCD worked fine.
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paulh177


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PostPosted: Wed 18 Mar 2009, 18:59    Post subject:  

I have run into this problem this evening with a Gentoo install. I did not care to wipe the partition but thought to see if I could find a non-destructive solution.

After a little light Googling I seem to find (note how careful I'm being) that some distros have patched GRUB, one being Arch.

Accordingly I followed the instructions here, adapting the partition layout for my own setup; this seemed to work but gave me further little problem, which I solved by looking at this

All looks fine now, and Puppy seems perfectly happy with the GRUB from Arch, as does Windows XP and Gentoo.

paul
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kpetermn

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Oct 2009, 18:25    Post subject: grub errors
Subject description: wrong inode size
 

I had this same problem (wrong inode size 256) using puppy 4.3 & 4.31 gparted. I saw no way to use gparted to fix the problem. mkfs.ext3 -I 128 /dev/sda1 worked fine.

Despite my problems I really appreciate all the work that goes into puppy.
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