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4.1.2 CD failed to boot without hard disk
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armein.z.r.langi

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Dec 2008, 12:24    Post subject:  4.1.2 CD failed to boot without hard disk  

Is there anybody that is able to boot 4.1.2 on a PC without a hard disk?

I downloaded puppy 4.1.2 iso and burned it on a cd. I could boot the CD on various PCs, but failed on a diskless PC. An old puppy 2.15CE CD boots fine on that diskless PC.
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ICPUG

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Dec 2008, 08:42    Post subject:  

Does Puppy 4.0 work?

If it does then I expect this is tied up with 4.1.2 wanting to save the sfs file to a hard drive.

If it is this then someone has gotta change the initrd.gz to stop it doing it.
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Bruce B

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Dec 2008, 10:31    Post subject:  

ICPUG wrote:
Does Puppy 4.0 work?

If it does then I expect this is tied up with 4.1.2 wanting to save the sfs file to a hard drive.


Sounds like good thinking to me. Hope armein.z.r.langi follows through with the test and post results. I could pull some drives myself and do the test, but it would not do any good, except for the sake of public warning and knowledge.

ICPUG wrote:
If it is this then someone has gotta change the initrd.gz to stop it doing it.


You are talking about fixing something that is destructive under certain circumstances, and even if not destructive would fail to work.

This has been reported and articulated. Stuck in the > 4.00 alphas and has been apparently passed right on through.

At this point I think we need Pollyanna to keep any faith the developers might opt to fix this one.

It works most of the time. Do you think the bar is any higher than that?

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ICPUG

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Dec 2008, 08:27    Post subject:  

Thanks Bruce.

If armein.z.r.langi reports back that 4.0 DOES work then this feature(?) of 4.1.x turns from an irritating bug to a real nasty bug.

I would hope the developers of future pups will take more notice, especially if someone can tell them what mods are needed to the init script to sort it.

We currently have 3 projects that I think are useful which may have this bug in. 4.1.2 barebones; Ultrapup by WOW and maybe 4.2 from Who Do.

I wonder what these developers have to say?
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PaulBx1

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Dec 2008, 12:39    Post subject:  

I tried booting diskless with my Sony Vaio and it worked fine.

I think we need more information from armein for his particular case, such as turning the debug level up high (if that actually does anything) and where he gets stuck, and what his pc is. Also, it should be reported in the 4.1.2 bug thread.
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PostPosted: Wed 24 Dec 2008, 13:07    Post subject:  

I'm running Puppy 4.2 from a multisession DVD in a computer without a hard disk drive. This is basically the same for your purposes as booting a Puppy live CD.

Armein, you say it failed. How far did it get? What error messages were displayed?

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armein.z.r.langi

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PostPosted: Thu 25 Dec 2008, 11:25    Post subject:  

Sorry we are having Christmas break here in Indonesia, so I cannot respond earlier. And the PC is in my office, I cannot try 4.0 before Monday.

I used a NON multisession CD (final burned). I got through the boot menu, and it reached to the point of searching puppy sfs, and it stopped, giving me a command line prompt with red color.

I used the same CD on my MacMini, and it booted fine. I also used it on my daughter PC successfully.

I appreciate your responses very much. I am sorry I cannot give precise reports until I can get back to my office on Monday.

Best regards
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armein.z.r.langi

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Dec 2008, 01:39    Post subject: More report  

The PC is AMD Sempron with 1 Gb memory. With 4.1.2 buut CD, I got into:

Searching for Puppy files in computer disk drive...

(and it gave me red error message:)

Pup_412.sfs not found. Dropping out to initial-ramdisk console...


(and I got command prompt:)

/bin.sh: can't access tty; job control turned off

I will try to run it on Virtual Box and see what will happen.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Dec 2008, 02:00    Post subject:  

Ah. Re-download and burn again. You are missing a few KB or so off of one of the files. Also, always check the MD5SUM of the iso BEFORE burning. It helps avoid these issues. If you're in windows, there's a tool and guide [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=36491]HERE[/url}. Hope this helps you out.
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armein.z.r.langi

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Dec 2008, 10:36    Post subject: It works with virtual box  

I report the 4.1.2 CD works fine in VirtualBox with no harddrive. So I believe it is an issue with my PC CDROM, not the 4.1.2 disk. I will stop this topic/thread until I find interesting things to report. Thank you for your supports and comments.

@evil20071: Thanks. I verified it already. This is my second burn. And it worked on many machines except that PC.
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paulh177


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PostPosted: Tue 30 Dec 2008, 11:12    Post subject:  

armein -- it would be helpful to know if the message is
Code:
Pup_412.sfs not found. Dropping out to initial-ramdisk console...
or
Code:
pup_412.sfs not found. Dropping out to initial-ramdisk console...


the difference (whether it is an upper-case "P" or a lower-case "p") could be significant here ...

Is it safe to assume that you just downloaded a puppy ISO and burned it to CD, and then try to boot from that CD without doing anything else?

Or have you modified the ISO in any way, or installed Puppy to the hard disk in any way?
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rjbrewer


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PostPosted: Tue 30 Dec 2008, 12:22    Post subject:  

The live cd or cd with puppy pfix=ram should say "loading to ram",
not "searching for files". Seems like there's a hard drive hiding
somewhere in that "diskless PC".

rjb
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Bruce B

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PostPosted: Tue 30 Dec 2008, 13:37    Post subject:  

ICPUG,

ICPUG wrote:
Thanks Bruce.

If armein.z.r.langi reports back that 4.0 DOES work then this feature(?) of 4.1.x turns from an irritating bug to a real nasty bug.


Having anxiously awaited the report, it didn't happen.

* the 4.00 disc didn't get tested

* the 4.1.2 iso image (or disk) got tested in a VM

* based on the success with the VM, the hardware CD-ROM gets condemned.

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Users, like myself who have been 'got' by the code snippet know. Developers have been been informed.

If it has not been fixed in all this time, would you like to argue with this:

Premise: It works most of the time and that is sufficient to meet the bar.

A bar which neither you or I can establish for others.

In this case, you and I had solid reason to ask for a 4.00 test. 4.00 was not just a number we pulled of the top of our hats.

Six years daily experience (between us) on the forum, watching changes, using Puppy and we ask for a test on a specific version.

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armein.z.r.langi in < 4 posts already affirmed

215CE boots fine diskless
4.12 fails to boot diskless
4.00 untested as requested

He condemns the CD-ROM Drive !?

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Why, pray tell, bother to ask the advice of people with experience? Between ICPUG and myself alone, there is benefit of a full six + years experience.

Next? I'd love a report back after the new CD-Drive is installed and tested.

Bruce

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