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PostPosted: Thu 11 Dec 2008, 03:56    Post_subject:  Puppy 4.1.2 for old Ati Radeon cards (update 12.12.2008)
Sub_title: to play games
 

There are free Xorg drivers to accellerate graficscards, also for the old ATI models
Radeon 8500 to 9250.
But they might not support all features.
For example Doom3 relies on the propriatary fglrx drivers from ATI.
Unfortunately, the newer fglrx drivers no longer support the old cards.

So I patched Puppy 4.1.2 with the old fglrx driver 8.28.8.
This Puppy is ONLY for those cards, not for other ones.
I attach a list of all supported cards in the end of this message.

It is Puppy-retro with Kernel 2.6.21.7, as the newer one could not compile the fglrx kernelmodule.
I also replaced most files from Xorg 7.3 with selfcompiled ones from Xorg 7.1.
That was the last version supported by that driver.
I added the SDL libraries required by most games, and one 3D game, Dreamchess 2000.
And the filesystem utilities Muppy-Filer and Muppy-Quickmount.
Muppy-Filer makes it easy to extract games and copy files.


This Puppy has a working xorg.conf, so X should start immedeatly with accelleration enabled. It automatically should detect the best screen resolution.
To check accelleration, open a consolewindow, and type:
antinspect -fps
This should run a small demo, you should get at least 30 frames per second.
If not, type:
glxinfo
This should tell you, that DRI is active.
If it is not, please attach here your zipped /var/log/Xorg.0.log.

Apart from these changes, it looks like the original Puppy, I added no optical changes.

Download:
http://puppyisos.org/isos/2008-07-to-12/puppy-4.1.2-k2.6.21.7-fglrx8.28.8/

Get the current password from this message:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=28930

Note:
do NOT run xorgwizard, as it would destroy the xorg.conf.
If that should happen by accident, restore /etc/X11/xorg.conf from the backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf-fglrx.

Issues:
The keyboard settings must be modified by hand.
To get a german keyboard, replace "us" with "de" in this section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Code:
Section "InputDevice"
   Identifier  "Keyboard0"
   Driver      "kbd"
   Option      "XkbRules" "xorg"
   Option      "XkbModel" "pc102"
   Option      "XkbLayout" "us" #xkeymap0
EndSection


Please let me know, if it works "out of the box",or if I must add more tweaks.

Related topics:
Special Puppy with Xorg 7.4 for NEW Ati-cards:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=36592

Prey for Linux (Based on Doom 3):
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=36489

Mark
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These card are supported:
Code:
(II) ATI Radeon/FireGL: The following chipsets are supported:
   RADEON 9000/9000 PRO (RV250 4966), RADEON 9000 LE (RV250 4967),
   MOBILITY FireGL 9000 (M9 4C64), MOBILITY RADEON 9000 (M9 4C66),
   RADEON 9000 PRO (D9 4C67), RADEON 9250 (RV280 5960),
   RADEON 9250/9200 Series (RV280 5961),
   RADEON 9250/9200 Series (RV280 5962),
   RADEON 9250/9200 Series (RV280 5964), FireMV 2200 PCI (RV280 5965),
   MOBILITY RADEON 9200 (M9+ 5C61), MOBILITY RADEON 9200 (M9+ 5C63),
   FireGL 8800 (R200 5148), RADEON 8500 (R200 514C),
   RADEON 9100 (R200 514D), RADEON 8500 AIW (R200 4242),
   RADEON 9600 (RV350 4150), RADEON 9600 SE (RV350 4151),
   RADEON 9600 PRO (RV360 4152), RADEON 9600 (RV350 4E51),
   MOBILITY RADEON 9600/9700 (M10/M11 4E50),
   MOBILITY RADEON 9500 (M11 4E52), MOBILITY RADEON 9550 (M12 4E56),
   RADEON 9500 (R300 4144), RADEON 9600 TX (R300 4146),
   FireGL Z1 (R300 4147), RADEON 9700 PRO (R300 4E44),
   RADEON 9500 PRO/9700 (R300 4E45), RADEON 9600 TX (R300 4E46),
   FireGL X1 (R300 4E47), RADEON 9800 SE (R350 4148),
   RADEON 9500 (R350 4149), RADEON 9550 (RV350 4153),
   FireGL T2 (RV350 4154), RADEON 9600 (RV351 4155),
   RADEON 9800 PRO (R350 4E48), RADEON 9800 (R350 4E49),
   RADEON 9800 XT (R360 4E4A), FireGL X2-256/X2-256t (R350 4E4B),
   MOBILITY FireGL T2/T2e (M10/M11 4E54), RADEON X300/X550 (RV370 5B60),
   RADEON X600 (RV380 5B62), RADEON X550 (RV370 5B63),
   FireGL V3100 (RV370 5B64), FireMV 2200 (RV370 5B65),
   MOBILITY RADEON X300 (M22 5460), MOBILITY RADEON X300 (M22 5461),
   MOBILITY RADEON X600 SE (M24 5462), MOBILITY FireGL V3100 (M22 5464),
   RADEON X600/X550 Series (RV380 3E50), FireGL V3200 (RV380 3E54),
   MOBILITY RADEON X600 (M24 3150), MOBILITY RADEON X300 (M22 3152),
   MOBILITY FireGL V3200 (M24 3154), RADEON X800 (R420 4A48),
   RADEON X800 PRO (R420 4A49), RADEON X800 SE (R420 4A4A),
   RADEON X800 XT (R420 4A4B), RADEON X800 (R420 4A4C),
   FireGL X3-256 (R420 4A4D), MOBILITY RADEON 9800 (M18 4A4E),
   RADEON X800 SE (R420 4A4F),
   RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition (R420 4A50),
   RADEON X800 VE (R420 4A54), RADEON X800 (R423 5548),
   RADEON X800 GTO (R423 5549),
   RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition (R423 554A),
   RADEON X800 GT (R423 554B), RADEON X800 XT (R423 5D57),
   FireGL V7100 (R423 5550), FireGL V5100 (R423 5551),
   MOBILITY RADEON X800 XT (M28 5D48), MOBILITY FireGL V5100 (M28 5D49),
   MOBILITY RADEON X800 (M28 5D4A), RADEON X800 XL (R430 554D),
   RADEON X800 GT (R430 554E), RADEON X800 GTO (R430 554F),
   RADEON X850 XT Platinum Edition (R480 5D4D),
   RADEON X800 GTO (R480 5D4F), FireGL V7200 (R480 5D50),
   RADEON X850 XT (R480 5D52), RADEON X850 (R481 4B48),
   RADEON X850 XT (R481 4B49), RADEON X850 SE (R481 4B4A),
   RADEON X850 PRO (R481 4B4B),
   RADEON X850 XT Platinum Edition (R481 4B4C),
   MOBILITY FireGL V5000 (M26 564A), MOBILITY FireGL V5000 (M26 564B),
   FireGL V5000 (RV410 5E48), RADEON X700 XT (RV410 5E4A),
   RADEON X700 PRO (RV410 5E4B), RADEON X700 SE (RV410 5E4C),
   RADEON X700 (RV410 5E4D), RADEON X700/X550 Series (RV410 5E4F),
   MOBILITY RADEON X700 (M26 5652), MOBILITY RADEON X700 (M26 5653),
   MOBILITY RADEON X700 XL (M26-XC 564F),
   RADEON 9000/9100 IGP Series (RS300 5834),
   RADEON 9000 PRO/9100 PRO IGP (RS350 7834),
   MOBILITY RADEON 9000 IGP (RL300MB 7835),
   MOBILITY RADEON 9000/9100 IGP (RS300M 5835),
   RADEON XPRESS 200 (RS400 5A41), RADEON XPRESS 200M (RS400 5A42),
   RADEON XPRESS 200 (RS480 5954), RADEON XPRESS 200M (RS480 5955),
   RADEON XPRESS 200 (RS482 5974), RADEON XPRESS 200M (RS482 5975),
   RADEON XPRESS 200 (RC410 5A61), RADEON XPRESS 200M (RC410 5A62),
   RADEON X1800 (R520 7100), MOBILITY RADEON X1800 XT (M58 7101),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1800 (M58 7102), MOBILITY FireGL V7200 (M58 7103),
   FireGL V7200 (R520 7104), FireGL V5300 (R520 7105),
   MOBILITY FireGL V7100 (M58 7106), RADEON X1800 Series (R520 7108),
   RADEON X1800 Series (R520 7109), RADEON X1800 Series (R520 710A),
   RADEON X1800 Series (R520 710B), RADEON X1800 Series (R520 710C),
   FireGL V7300 (R520 710E), FireGL V7350 (R520 710F),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1300 (M52 714B), MOBILITY RADEON X1300 (M52 714C),
   RADEON X1600 Series (RV515 7140), RADEON X1300 Series (RV515 7142),
   MOBILITY FireGL (M54 GL 7144), MOBILITY RADEON X1400 (M54 7145),
   RADEON X1300 Series (RV515 7146), MOBILITY RADEON X1300 (M52 7149),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1300 (M52 714A), RADEON X1300 Series (RV515 714D),
   RADEON X1300 Series (RV515 714E), FireGL V3300 (RV515 7152),
   RADEON X1300 Series (RV515 715E), RADEON X1300 (RV516 7180),
   RADEON X1600 Series (RV516 7181), RADEON X1300 (RV516 7183),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1450 (M64P 7186), RADEON X1300 (RV516 7187),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1350 (M62P 718B),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1350 (M62CSP 718C),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1450 (M64CSP 718D),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1350 (M62S 7196), RADEON X1900 (R580 7240),
   RADEON X1900 (R580 7243), RADEON X1900 (R580 7244),
   RADEON X1900 (R580 7245), RADEON X1900 (R580 7246),
   RADEON X1900 (R580 7247), RADEON X1900 (R580 7248),
   RADEON X1900 (R580 7249), RADEON X1900 (R580 724A),
   RADEON X1900 (R580 724B), RADEON X1900 (R580 724C),
   RADEON X1900 (R580 724D), FireStream 2U (R580 724E),
   FireStream 2U (R580 724F), RADEON X1600 Series (RV530 71C0),
   RADEON X1600 Series (RV530 71C2), MOBILITY FireGL V5200 (M56 71C4),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1600 (M56 71C5),
   RADEON X1600 Series (RV530 LE 71C6),
   RADEON X1600 Series (RV530 VE 71CE), FireGL V3400 (RV530 71D2),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1700 (M66-XT 71D6), FireGL V5200 (RV530 71DA),
   RADEON X1600 Series (RV530 SE 71DE), RADEON X1600 XT (RV535 XT 71C1),
   MOBILITY FireGL V5250 (M66GL 71D4),
   MOBILITY RADEON X1700 (M66-P 71D5), RADEON Xpress 1200 (RS600 7941),
   RADEON Xpress 1200 (RS600 7942)

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Dec 2008, 22:11    Post_subject:  

Thanks greatly for doing this, MU.

As a report:

Thinkpad T30 with ATI 7500,

MD5 checksum of image ISO verified against downloaded file, and the burned CD (as computed by Isobuster)

Running CD with pfix=ram

I was presented with the usual mouse/keyboard/and xorg/xvesa start up screens.

I chose xorg (not knowing whether this would start the xorgwizard -- I noticed from your post we weren't supposed to run it -- if I shouldn't have picked xorg, should I have choosen xvesa?)

I answered the xorg resolution and bit depth questions.

Then it tried to start xwin, but dropped back to the command line. I tried xwin again twice with each of the two window manager choices, but it always returned to the command line.

If I've done something wrong, please let me know and I'll repeat the test.

One question..... I have frugally installed on this laptop Puppy 4.1.1 with the later kernel. If I boot your disk without pfix=ram, will it wipe out my current installation and try to replace it with 4.12 and the older kernel?

If so, this will cause problems for me, as the wireless card didn't work on 4.1.1 retro, and my VMware Player expects the later kernel as well.

If the ATI card works better with your 4.1.2, then I would consider trying to solve the other two problems -- but I don't want to start that process yet -- so I hope pfix=ram is okay.

Thanks again for your work in this area.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Dec 2008, 08:02    Post_subject:  

Is this for ATI Mobility (laptop cards) or the desktop cards?
Are there any benefits except gaming performance?
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Dec 2008, 08:55    Post_subject:  

Hm, xorgwizard should not start.
So I must patch it, to avoid that.

You can workaround like this:
When xorgwizard finished, and X fails to start, then type these commands:

cp -ax /etc/X11/xorg.conf-fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf
xwin


This will restore the conf for fglrx and run the desktop.
Does this work?
Alternatively you can generate a new xorg.conf like this:
aticonfig --initial
Or:
aticonfig --initial -f

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If you start it with the boot-option
puppy pfix=ram
then it will not use an existing savefile.
You then can create a new one at shutdown, with a new name.
Puppy then offers a menu at startup to choose from.

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Supported cards:
here is a list of all supported cards:
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.28.8.html
So mobility cards with old chips should work.
Though the 7000 is not listed, it is supported, as far as I know.
I can try a 7000 on my own today.

Mark

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Dec 2008, 14:35    Post_subject:  

I still have lockups with my Radeon 9250.
First I thought, it overheated, and added a cooler.
Still no joy.
They happen in ALL Puppys based on Kernel 2.6.
Then I revived my old Puppy 1 installation.
With this old Kernel 2.4, the fglrx is fine.
I attach a screenshot.
Just dri with the free driver produces mess, but I think that is due to changes in my savefile I made some years ago.

Would it make sense to create a optimized Puppy 1 for these Radeon cards?

**edit** now also Puppy 1 locked up. Seems, that there is something wrong with my card, broken memory or so.

Mark
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Dec 2008, 17:40    Post_subject:  

I updated the iso.
Modified /usr/X11R7/bin/xwin
It now should no longer delete xorg.conf.

I also added a section in xorg.conf for keyboard and mouse, so you can easily modify it with an editor, e.g. if you want a german keyboardlayout.

Unfortunately the Radeon 7000 is NOT supported, I tried it on my own now.
I updated my first message with a list of supported cards.

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If you have a Radeon 7000:
When I run Puppy 4.1.2 (Barrys original version), my Radeon 7000 is detected correctly, and runs with 1680x1050 pixel (what I chose in the wizard).
But if I use FIRST a Radeon 9250 card, and then replace it with the 7000, xorg.conf is not built correctly.
It then misses the "device" section.
It seems that /usr/X11R7/bin/xwin is working erratic, and corrupts xorg.conf.

I attach a pet, that should fix it.
It removes the automatic detection of new graficscards.
So to install a new one, you must explicitly run "xorgwizard" by typing it after exiting X.
It also includes a xorg.conf for Radeon 7000 cards (set to 1024x768 pixel resolution).

Best will be to run xvesa, then install the pet.
Then restart X.

Mark
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Dec 2008, 18:45    Post_subject:  

Okay, MU, my card isn't covered in the new 4.1.2 (Mobility Radeon 7500) so I won't test any further.

But thanks for this:

Quote:
If you start it with the boot-option
puppy pfix=ram
then it will not use an existing savefile.
You then can create a new one at shutdown, with a new name.
Puppy then offers a menu at startup to choose from.


I didn't realize that -- always carefully booted new disks w/ pfix=ram and never saved an additional personal savefile because I thought it would overwrite the old one.

It used to worry me a lot. Now I understand how it works. I did wonder how you set up multiple puplets on the same hard drive -- I figured it must be a manual copy process to special directories.

Thanks for clarifying.
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Mar 2009, 18:48    Post_subject:  

Hi Mark, I have a Radeon 9250 graphics so I downloaded your iso to give it a go.
It booted straight away into 1280x1024 resolution, so I guess the drivers worked, but there was this problem that colors were too bright and washed out! And I couldn't set my monitor brightness/contrast to make them right. Is there some screen brightness/gamma calibration tool that you know about I can use for this? Or if I can manually edit some configuration file, which would it be?

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Mar 2009, 05:13    Post_subject: driver for ATI Radeon IGP 320M  

Mark, you seem to be an expert on ATI drivers. I have a (little bit old) HP nx9005 notebook. It has ATI Radeon IGP 320M graphics built in. Do you have any idea how can I use accelerated graphics on this? I tried this puppy, newyearspup and also unnamed puplet, but no success. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Apr 2009, 17:59    Post_subject:  

Mark,

Great job, and the one in newyearspup, which obviously is an extension of this, is even better. Now, is there a way to combine this with the nvidia drivers and maybe some others, as you have them in newyearspup, and have the set as a .pet that can be added to other flavors of puppy linux?

You know, you've got a hell of a driver set here (actually, the only one that works AFAIK), and you should consider spreading out the goodness even more.

And if you can't do this, maybe you can give us some hints on how to detach the driver portion of newyearspup, so we can use it in other places (like the new Deep Though, for instance).

Thanks a lot!
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Apr 2009, 18:15    Post_subject:  

for the nvidia drivers:
there are some available for Puppy 4.12:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34001

The ones from newyearspup would not work, because it has a different Kernel and Xorg.

Newyearspups Nvidia drivers can be used in Ultrapup, though.
extract the matching archive from /usr/local/graficsdrivers.
Then run the matching comand from newyearspups /usr/sbin/xorgwizard to set up xorg.conf. It is a pretty short script, so the comands are easy to find.

Alternatively, install the kernel sfs and devx, then download the matching installer from nvidia.com and run it.
Ultrapup is configured so well, that the installer runs without problems without further tweaks.

Mark

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2009, 11:06    Post_subject:  

Mark, I downloaded your Puppy and tried it direct from CD with pfix=ram. xwin positively will not start. If I start xorgwizard from the CL and select a resolution and then 'test', it comes up with:

Resolution x pixels
Horizontal frequency 0.00 khz
Refresh frequency 0.00 hz

And the resulting xorg.conf contains only a screen section.

Running a Radeon 9200SE board. It runs fine in Puppy 4/4.2, and runs fine under Xvesa in your puppy.

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PostPosted: Thu 30 Apr 2009, 11:56    Post_subject:  

you might try to run:

rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf
aticonfig --initial -f

This should generate a new one, if aticonfig works as in newer versions.
I meanwhile have a new computer, so had to attach my old one again, to test that.
At moment, I'm too busy Rolling Eyes

You also might have to copy
/etc/X11/xorg.conf
to
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.your_cardname
Once xorgwizard ran, that file is created, "your_card_name" is unique on every system.
It is used by Puppys hardwaredetection, that tends to destroy a xorg.conf, that was not created with Puppys Xorgwizard.

The newer Catalyst pets I made, meanwhile contain a rewritten xorgwizard, but it is not trivial, to add it to this puplet.

Mark

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PostPosted: Wed 06 May 2009, 13:22    Post_subject:  

I have a integrated ati xpress 1200 690v card . should i go for this ?
I am downloading this now.. maybe I'll tell you first Wink

Edit: Sad it doesn't works
Code:
EE : No devices found

Also I am not sure which exact chip my mother contains. Its a ati x1200, but whether its a rs600 or rs690 I have no idea. any help ?
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PostPosted: Wed 06 May 2009, 17:50    Post_subject:  

you'll need the newer driver:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=36592
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