pWidgets 2.5.8
Yes. I haven't surrended, I've just made a strategic withdrawal so I can gather my troops for a final onslaught!zigbert wrote:Warren, we never finished our pwidgets-size-war
I'm wondering whether the difference between our two figures may be because I'm taking mine from a raw partition outside the LZMA'd squash file system and yours are from within?
Either way, I'm very happy with what you guys have done with Pwidgets and have no doubt they will cause a stir in the wider community when 4.2 is released.
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I altered your shutdown dialog version slightly for my personal use.
Removed, lock. Does anyone actually use that?
Added restart X and new Restart JWM to front menu, put 'switch to icewm' to 'advanced' menu
I tidied my pwidgets files, too many empty sed*** files.
May I suggest a slight alteration. tmp (folder) is heavily used by all, writing new tmp (file) on the fly with func removes some useful info. Perhaps use different unique file names, avoiding confusion ?
Removed, lock. Does anyone actually use that?
Added restart X and new Restart JWM to front menu, put 'switch to icewm' to 'advanced' menu
I tidied my pwidgets files, too many empty sed*** files.
May I suggest a slight alteration. tmp (folder) is heavily used by all, writing new tmp (file) on the fly with func removes some useful info. Perhaps use different unique file names, avoiding confusion ?
Rob
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The moment after you press "Post" is the moment you actually see the typso 8)
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The moment after you press "Post" is the moment you actually see the typso 8)
Warren
You use Treesize for counting. I have not tried that, but the way you use it, it counts only kilobytes, - not bytes. I get nearly the same result as you if I run 'du -k' on my Pwidgets tree (904kb). If I instead use the -b switch 'du -b' I get about the half. I am of course not happy with that (I intend to win this war ), but as I told in a previous post, I didn't include all the directories in my addition, because ROX didn't, - but 'du' does, and it says that dir-size is 4kb. I was somewhat confused that Pwidgets could be that big. (Around 460kb for my Pwidgets-1.9-10 tree). Then I realized that many of the directories in the tree doesn't belong to Pwidgets, but are system directories that in any case are inside the filesystem, so Pwidgets won't add their size. I count 14 system directories (ie. /usr/sbin/). That should be 56kb in total. The rest 400kb belongs to Pwidgets according to my trustable counting . Maybe there is an accurate option in treesize, - Else it not much to trust when counting small files.
The next version of Pwidgets will have a 'Stop/Start Pwidgets' function.
Sorry for being bombastic
Sigmund
You use Treesize for counting. I have not tried that, but the way you use it, it counts only kilobytes, - not bytes. I get nearly the same result as you if I run 'du -k' on my Pwidgets tree (904kb). If I instead use the -b switch 'du -b' I get about the half. I am of course not happy with that (I intend to win this war ), but as I told in a previous post, I didn't include all the directories in my addition, because ROX didn't, - but 'du' does, and it says that dir-size is 4kb. I was somewhat confused that Pwidgets could be that big. (Around 460kb for my Pwidgets-1.9-10 tree). Then I realized that many of the directories in the tree doesn't belong to Pwidgets, but are system directories that in any case are inside the filesystem, so Pwidgets won't add their size. I count 14 system directories (ie. /usr/sbin/). That should be 56kb in total. The rest 400kb belongs to Pwidgets according to my trustable counting . Maybe there is an accurate option in treesize, - Else it not much to trust when counting small files.
The next version of Pwidgets will have a 'Stop/Start Pwidgets' function.
Sorry for being bombastic
Sigmund
I'm determined that we will BOTH "win", Sigmund.zigbert wrote:You use Treesize for counting. I have not tried that, but the way you use it, it counts only kilobytes, - not bytes. I get nearly the same result as you if I run 'du -k' on my Pwidgets tree (904kb). If I instead use the -b switch 'du -b' I get about the half. I am of course not happy with that (I intend to win this war )
I accept what you're saying about Treesize, and it makes a great deal of sense to me. I have also found something worrying ... puzzling ... even curious as well. In the latest release of Pwidgets-1.9.10 you have made JebaJQ8's "yellow" clock skin the default. When I booted my fresh install and saw that, I decided to have a look and see just how big that was. Imagine my shock when ROX (not Treesize) reported it was 77kb!!!
I thought "No, that's not possible. Sigmund would NEVER use a skin that size as a default choice"! So I checked the original package in Unleashed and it was only 9585b!!! Then I checked the rootfs-complete build directory and it was 9585b there too! So somewhere in between building the packages in rootfs-complete and packing them into pup_420.sfs it got messed up! I wonder if that is happening elsewhere too?
I am using lzma-4.32.0-beta3 because that's the one Barry used in Puppy 4.12, but the later lzma-458 is available to use instead. I may just give that a try to see whether it resolves the problem.
I'll have a look to see whether Treesize has any options. It will be a useful utility but only IF it counts size accurately. Otherwise it's just bloat and I'll remove it from the next build.zigbert wrote:I didn't include all the directories in my addition, because ROX didn't, - but 'du' does, and it says that dir-size is 4kb. I was somewhat confused that Pwidgets could be that big. (Around 460kb for my Pwidgets-1.9-10 tree). Then I realized that many of the directories in the tree doesn't belong to Pwidgets, but are system directories that in any case are inside the filesystem, so Pwidgets won't add their size. I count 14 system directories (ie. /usr/sbin/). That should be 56kb in total. The rest 400kb belongs to Pwidgets according to my trustable counting . Maybe there is an accurate option in treesize, - Else it not much to trust when counting small files.
Bombastic? You? Never! You were / are defending your baby and your team and I accept that. I definitely have no mortgage on being "right" about anything, and if there are differences in what we are seeing then we need to discover why, for everyone's benefit. Good idea about the Start/Stop button. I still think just moving the 0_show_widgets from the /root/startup directory should be easily dealt with by the newest newbie, but this way it becomes more intuitive.zigbert wrote:The next version of Pwidgets will have a 'Stop/Start Pwidgets' function.
Sorry for being bombastic
Cheers, mate.
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Trio, the quote was NOT referring to you, but Patriot... see JWM related threads, I used some lisense... .The original quote referred to Patriot...trio wrote:Where? tq01micko wrote: Trio
"you got the focus"... said by some bloke, probably Norweigan, on another totally unrelated thread...
Equally applied yo you brother...
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Aaah I cee, luckily I haven't had my head balooned yet01micko wrote:Trio, the quote was NOT referring to you, but Patriot... see JWM related threads, I used some lisense... .The original quote referred to Patriot...trio wrote:Where? tq01micko wrote: Trio
"you got the focus"... said by some bloke, probably Norweigan, on another totally unrelated thread...
Equally applied yo you brother...
Ladies and Gentlemen.
I have the pleasure of announcing that this bunch of reprobates have reached 100 pages of mostly good work, interspersed with drivel.
I must state that most of the drivel, comes from, M,T,R in that order (I posted this, so I'm biased)
Go go, widgets.
I have the pleasure of announcing that this bunch of reprobates have reached 100 pages of mostly good work, interspersed with drivel.
I must state that most of the drivel, comes from, M,T,R in that order (I posted this, so I'm biased)
Go go, widgets.
Rob
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What? Who? Why? Bling!!!tasmod wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen.
I have the pleasure of announcing that this bunch of reprobates have reached 100 pages of mostly good work, interspersed with drivel.
I must state that most of the drivel, comes from, M,T,R in that order (I posted this, so I'm biased)
Go go, widgets.
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WhoDo wrote:
(and they were both the same Roman clock!)
Dave
In the hope it might help you chase this down: something similar also seemed to be happening in RC1, as I reported earlier, where Roxy shows the Roman clock at 1662B and Ring at 77kB.I thought "No, that's not possible. Sigmund would NEVER use a skin that size as a default choice"! So I checked the original package in Unleashed and it was only 9585b!!! Then I checked the rootfs-complete build directory and it was 9585b there too! So somewhere in between building the packages in rootfs-complete and packing them into pup_420.sfs it got messed up! I wonder if that is happening elsewhere too?
(and they were both the same Roman clock!)
Dave