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Jim1911 · Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 2353 Location: Texas, USA

Hi tazoc

Super job. I prefer the KDE desktop, however, the Icewm and Jwm both look and work great. I've installed the following additional software which all work fine. Gslapt, Bibletime, Pfind, and Opera

I'm looking forward to your new Mariner SFS and especially the implementation of the Puppy 4.1.x series. You may want to take a look at Kernel 2.6.27 which is ready for 4.1. See: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34341

Thanks again for a fine distribution and all the hard work that went into it.

Jim

tazoc

@Barburo,
I was able to reproduce the weird focus behavior in IceWM. I made a patch to restore ClickToFocus and the taller default Puppy menu layout. It's good idea to reboot before installing this patch. On my system it quit halfway through, but on reboot I re-installed the patch and then it went through normally.

Note to all: Please don't install this optional patch unless you want both updates. It cannot be easily uninstalled. Let me know if you'd like this separated in two, one for Focus and one for the menus.

@Jim1911,
Thank you. I'll try to follow the kernel progress. Would be nice to have a higher limit than 3 added SFS and smp support if still reliable. MU noted a graphics lockup, so hopefully he'll get that sorted out.

What version of Opera do you have? Thought about putting that into the Mariner SFS but not sure yet.
-TazOC

Jim1911 · Joined: 19 May 2008 Posts: 2353 Location: Texas, USA

tazoc

I am running Opera 9.61, however, 9.62 is out now and I'll update as soon as a pet is available. EDIT: Opera-9.62.pet and spellchecker.pet work fine.

As for kernal 2.6.27, I've been running it alone, also with MU's KDE 3.5.8 sfs and WOW's Gnome 2.20.3 sfs and OO3 sfs without noticing any problems. I believe that they are close to a release. Also, if it works, the next release of Muppy may use that kernal.

It will be nice to be able to use more sfs files. Presently my experience with Puppy 4.1.1 kernal 2.6.25.16 only 2 sfs will work, although I believe that Barry's bug release will increase it back to 3 sfs.

I'm happy that you are keeping a watch on 2.6.27 and considering including Opera.

Thanks again for a great distribution.
Jim

Barburo · Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 275

Thanks TaZoc for your patch - it worked.
Before I applied it I tried your first suggestion (under settings "click to focus") which also worked, but I wanted to try the traditional menus so I applied the patch anyway.
All good so far - the strange behaviour of Conky in KDE persists but we can live with that.
I got several notifications of updates available for the Lightning add-on to Thunderbird, and the last update I applied created an error. It doesn't seem that you can back off very easily. This happened for Thunderbird before (I forgot or assumed that later versions would fix it), so I simply disabled the add-on and the error messages go away. I think it's a Mozilla problem.

As always your response to requests and feedback is both prompt and impressive.
Thanks again,
B.

tazoc

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Bligh · Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 459 Location: California

Lighthouse 3x is running fine on 2 laptops and 1 desktop. However, my daily ride, always on 24/7 since 04 has no sound. It came free with win 98 and 273 instances of spyware and malware. It has run Linspire for 4 yrs almost continuously with some sound, there seems to be a conflict between the mozilla browsers and the sys sound. Puppy 4.1 also has no sound. I replaced the original sound/modem card with a soundblaster card. ca0106. I tried the sound setup wizzard, still no sound. Pclinuxos does have sound on this box, also with kde. I boot from the cd and have a 500mb save file. This is a p3 500mhz 384 mb. Any suggestions?
Cheers

Barburo · Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 275

@Bligh
Take a look here - The "isapnp" is no longer in /etc/modprobe.conf but you could try a different slot for your sound-card.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=20788
Also try browsing through
Forum index » Advanced Topics » Hardware » Audio
- there maybe more hints there.
B.

Bligh · Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 459 Location: California

Thanks, after much searching, I found it in Advanced topics>hardware>audio. It was something like this, make sure the bloody volume is turned up in the mixer. duh! who would have thought?
Cheers

tazoc · Posted: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 01:52 Post subject:

@Bligh,
So it's working now? Glad you and Barburo solved it--I was at a loss and planned to search the forums--hoping I would find something useful. Good job!

@Barburo,
Thank you for your suggestions. Now I know where to look next time something similar comes up.

Regards,
TazOC

Bligh · Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 459 Location: California

I was somewhat red faced when I made that post. That was 3.01a4, haven't tried 3.01c on that box yet. xsane and juk are certainly inviting though. Could puppy use a swap file, would there be any advantage/disadvantage?
Cheers

tazoc · Posted: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 12:09 Post subject: Re: Could puppy use a swap file

Bligh,
It's OK, next time we'll know to check the mixer. Not sure why it wasn't turned up by Puppy.

I think you mean a 'linux-swap' partition, which does have a number of advantages, mostly based on improved memory management. Will boot Lighthouse and can copy main file to RAM with less total RAM. Better able to handle large multiple apps / multitasking. Linux-swap works like the Windoze swap file, except that it exists on a separate partition, and is probably more efficient. Even a small one is a big help.

It is easy to create one with Gparted Partition Manager in KDE's Utilities Menu. Boot in LiveCD mode ('lhp pfix=ram') before running Gparted. Good idea to back up any important files/data to CD/other external media just in case something goes wrong. Then you can resize an existing partition to make room for a swap partition. The only situation that I know of where you might run into difficulty would be on a box that has Vista installed. Might prevent Vista from booting. A Vista box probably has loads of RAM so you could get by without a linux-swap anyway.

512M-768M swap should be good, a little more or less won't hurt. The swap partition can be anywhere on a hard drive, though at the beginning is probably ideal.
Hope that helps,
TazOC

Bligh · Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 459 Location: California

I believe some linux distro's use a swap file rather than a swap partition. I was just wondering if puppy could utilize a swap file, and if there would be any advantage other than avoiding the issues presented. I suppose it would require a larger pup save file if nothing else. I am in over my head here, but Linspire used a swap file.
Cheers

puppyluvr · Posted: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 13:54 Post subject:

Hello tazoc,

First, as I have said before, Lighthouse 215 is the cream of the crop in Puppy. The attention to detail, choice of packages, eye candy, and tons of extra scripts make it the most useful Puppy ever IMHO..I based the first Buddapup on it, and use it a lot still...
I have not really used the 3.01 version much yet, as I dont like KDE, but I will take a closer look when I get more time..

I dont have a question, or a complaint, I just wanted to say how much I liked your work on 215 and that Ive found it inspiring..

@The Inland Empire...
I grew up in Spokane...

Barburo · Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 275

Just a quick note.
MU suggests a minimum swap partition size of about 500Mb or so. I agree with TazOC that Puppy works better with a small Linux swap partition.
If you have Vista use the Vista repartition tool to create a swap partition first. You can then fire up puppy (From CD or frugal install) and use gparted to reformat the partition as Linux swap. When Puppy boots it automatically recognizes Linux swap.
If you use gparted from within Puppy to create the swap partition it confuses the heck out of Vista - it likes to think it's in control of everything! Vista might even go away and sulk for an extended period the next time you boot it.

I run a multi-boot notebook with a 120Gb hard drive with Vista in one partition (55Gb), XP in another (35Gb), a 20Gb ext3 partition that I use for frugal installs of various flavours of Puppy and some local storage, and a 630 Mb Linux swap partition.

One final note - Vista insists on having control over the master boot record so Grub does not co-exist very well with Vista.
I use the Vista boot manager to provide the initial menu of which OS to boot on initial start-up. In my set-up the Linux option is the default, and I have that option start Grub4Dos that is maintained through EasyBSD from NeoSmart Technologies (installed on Vista or XP). It functions like regular Grub and EasyBSD can also get back your Vista partition if like for me your XP install changed the MBR and made Vista vanish. The menu.lst file is on the Vista partition in a directory called NST and you can maintain your Grub entries in menu.lst from Puppy without ever needing to boot Vista by simply mounting the Vista partition. Other parts of this forum have all the details about how to set this up.

Of course you can also use space on either Vista or XP ntfs partitions to store your Pup_save files which I have also done in the past quite successfully if you don't want to format a separate Linux ext3 partition. Vista goes away and sulks if you change any files on its partition but it eventually fires up OK. I also used to run Ubuntu in a separate partition, but I've pretty much abandoned it in favour of Lighthouse Pup (ever since 2.15)
B.