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Puppy 4.2 - Desktop and Artwork
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dogone


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PostPosted: Sat 01 Nov 2008, 01:09    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
The Background has been upgraded

One difficulty with your 31 Oct background is that it assumes all widgets fit behind the right accent and all device icons fit below the bottom accent. Adding and/or rearranging widgets or systems with many partitions could violate these implied boundaries..

A good background works with all desktop arrangements. This one may not.
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PostPosted: Sat 01 Nov 2008, 19:29    Post subject:  

Any fix found for Rox hiding the clock widget? I'm having the same trouble with Rox, Compiz-Fusion, and Cairo Dock... Rox wants to hide widgets by default.... why? Is there some way to ask Rox to stay on the bottom layer of things? Or ask the widgets to stay on the top?
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PostPosted: Sat 01 Nov 2008, 23:08    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
zigbert wrote:
The Background has been upgraded

I understand the idea involved, but the new one doesn't excite me the way the original does. Sorry. An alternative might be to remove the bottom arc and just leave the near vertical arc near the widgets.

I like the original one better or the second one minus the vertical arc near the widgets
ttuuxxx


The widgets look great on the brushed background, too. They stand out and blend in at the same time. The impression is that they are a part of the OS and not an afterthought. That too is important in Puppy.

I agree 100% as long as its low in resources
ttuuxxx Smile



Lastly Zigbert your doing excellent work once again, And I always figured you as a coder Wink Boy I was wrong, great professional looking bling.
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Nov 2008, 09:50    Post subject:  

Hi Zigbert!

Absolutely gorgeous desktop! You've made the looks of the JWM window manager so very attractive here that even for someone like me, who switches immediately to either Fluxbox or Openbox/LXpanel, want to stick around and use what you've created here instead!

My hat goes off to you Zigbert. You're a fine artist par excellence! Very Happy

Now about your "clock problem"---and more than likely this won't help you in the least or I would've imagined WhoDo would've thought of it long before me. But it concerns Wbar: In order to get that programme to display above the ROX desktop (and I've discovered recently other desktop creating programmes as well by the way) you need to set up both a "sleep timer" in the startup command, as well as a command to "appear above the desktop layer".

Here's the code like this:

Code:
sleep 3 ; wbar -above-desk


It's the "-above-desk" which gets it to form over the ROX layer. If it's not coming up transparent then you need to widen the sleep parameter. On some I have to have it a full 10 seconds!

I'm wondering if it's the same way with the gtk-clock widget? Hopefully it's something as simple as that. I'm hoping anyway because I happen to like the desktop clock and run it in Mini-Sys when using that. So I'd definitely use it in 4.2. Very Happy

Once again Zigbert: A truly gorgeous desktop! You've put us right into the major leagues now! 4.2 will turn out to be the Puppy to define ALL Puppies! Wow...

Amicalement/Cheers!

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Nov 2008, 13:15    Post subject:  

Eyes-Only
Thanks for feedback.
I have tried different options, but couldn't get the grip of it.
Let's hope for a bright puppian when we release the first test release.

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PostPosted: Sun 02 Nov 2008, 13:34    Post subject:  

Ok, next stage.

I want to minimize the number of icons of the desktop.
Then we of course need a simpler way to add icons than today.
I have made an approach.

1. The fixmenus-script now also generates links of all menu-apps in /root/my-applications/bin/
2. The file /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-filer/globicons are updated to match all menu-apps in /root/my-applications/bin/
3. The script icon2desk (in menu) opens rox in /root/my-applications/bin/ and shows a message.



During this work I had to define icons for all programs in the menu. The 'big' programs like abiword and gxine has its own icon definition. The P programs does NOT have individual icons, and all config guis has the same icon definition. I guess the list also should include often installed programs like firefox, gimp, blender, skype, qcad, scribus ... The list is rather long, but with huge use of symlinks, I only had to add around 5 new icons to the original theme. For artsy types (like Nathan Smile ), it's now possible to make icon-sets that allows a wider range of icons. It could be that the list should be even more detailed. Here's the list for now:

abiword48.png
address48.png
archive48.png
audio48.png
ayttm48.png
backup48.png
burn48.png
calc48.png
camera48.png
card48.png
card_mntd48.png
card_mntd_boot48.png
chat48.png
clipboard48.png
clock48.png
configuration48.png
conky48.png
connect48.png
console48.png
date48.png
draw48.png
drive48.png
drive_mntd48.png
drive_mntd_boot48.png
edit48.png
email48.png
finance48.png
floppy48.png
floppy_mntd48.png
floppy_mntd_boot48.png
folder48.png
fotoxx48.png
game48.png
geany48.png
gftp48.png
gimp48.png
gnumeric48.png
go48.png
gparted48.png
gpicview48.png
gqview48.png
grub48.png
gxine48.png
hardinfo48.png
help48.png
home48.png
imageviewer48.png
inkscape48.png
isomaster48.png
leafpad48.png
lock48.png
lock-screen48.png
mhwaveedit48.png
mixer48.png
mozaddressbook48.png
mozedit48.png
mozmail48.png
mtpaint48.png
multimedia48.png
network48.png
note48.png
notecase48.png
optical48.png
optical_mntd48.png
optical_mntd_boot48.png
osmo48.png
paint48.png
pdf48.png
pet48.png
printer48.png
process48.png
pupnews48.png
puppy-bone48.gif
rename48.png
rsync48.png
save48.png
scanner48.png
seamonkey48.png
search48.png
spread48.png
system48.png
text48.png
transmission48.png
trashcan_empty48.png
trashcan_full48.png
usbdrv48.png
usbdrv_mntd48.png
usbdrv_mntd_boot48.png
users48.png
view48.png
virus48.png
webedit48.png
word48.png
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PostPosted: Sun 02 Nov 2008, 20:33    Post subject:  

I don't think wbar's -above-desktop will apply to this. Yes, it will make wbar work, but this is necessary for most window managers, and isn't ro specific.... you need this for gnome, kde, etc. I think the problem with rox is different. Please see this thread... I think wow is on to something; it may be an issue with Rox itself.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26488&start=45

A word abut the next version of puppy; it's very exciting to be creating it, and taking things in a new direction, particularly configuring the gui. I agree it needs to be very simple and easy to use, much easier than it has been to date. There are other probllems however that need to be fixed, and in my view this is by far more important than the gui. It's looking great, but speding too much time making things look pretty, and ignoring wider functionality issues, is a mistake. Is there as much effort being put into fixing other issues?
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 01:22    Post subject:  

dinky wrote:
Is there as much effort being put into fixing other issues?
~dinky


More.

The first 'alpha release' or pre release of 4.2 is the bug fixed 4..1.1 - which has just been released
http://puppylinux.com/download/release-4.1.1.htm

Warren has been skimming the forums and preparing for 4.2
http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/applications/dot-pets/42-deep-thought-developers-todo-list
- that page could be improved Wink

So in effect 4.2 development starts today as a community effort.

Already we have:
Barrys solid base
Head of development/coordination = WhoDo
Direction and goal (simple organic improvement for 4.2)
Look and feel being developed (see this thread)
Graphics and wiki pages
Forum Thread preliminary 'virtual meeting'
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=238081#238081

etc

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 01:33    Post subject: Colors
Subject description: Get the Red Out!
 

I just happened to be passing by here and thought I would add my two cents. I really like the orange, gold, and brushed steel look. I think it would have the most appeal across the board. It is very classy without being flashy. It is very much in keeping with the nice clean look of Puppy. I personally don't care for the GLARING red. So there it is. I'll survive either way.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 02:18    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
Now it's only the xonclock-issue left. I repeat my earlier cry for help:
When starting xonclock (the analog clock), I have to mouseclick on the desktop to see the clock.
(in other words: I have to click clock Very Happy ) Have I missed something, or are there any way to refresh desktop with a command?

Something dinky said above sparked a dim dark memory of the problems I had in 2.15CE with the Rox root window which governs the background "position" - ie in front or behind or whatever. There was a simple fix given to me back then by the venerable GuestToo, and it consists of putting this line in the /root/.xinitrc file AFTER you load your widgets but BEFORE the $CURRENTWM is called
Code:
qiv -z /root/Choices/ROX-background.jpg

That has the affect of forcing a refresh of the background, even if that's not actually what happens "technically"; IOW, the same affect as clicking on the widget to bring it to the front. It's worth a try, zigbert.

Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 10:09    Post subject:  

Exactly Warren, that's yet another way as well besides the way I'd mentioned with the Wbar parameter as I just finished writing a similar hack for VectorLinux 5.9 Light's JWM, only using "fbsetbg -f <image $path>" rather than the new 2.0 Qiv---reason being the new Qiv, to me anyway, seems to have had a tonne of changes done to it so it's no longer working the same way. Sad

But at any rate, regardless of whichever you use, be it "fbsetbg -f" or "qiv -z", it has to go to the nearest to the top as possible in ".xinitrc" as your Puppypin is called up afterwards (and there's the ticket---in VL I had to set it on a timer switch in my hack) just before the WM is called up. Smile

Hope that helped.

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PostPosted: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 11:23    Post subject:  

Great news about 4.2! I'm looking forward to those fixes...lol... as well as this new skin being developed. Fixed my problem with the cairo-dock widgets I'm using on the compiz-fusion widget layer. Had to do with Rox's configuration. Under Rox's options was a compatability section at the very bottom. "Overide window manager control of the pinboard and panels" and Pass all backdrop mouse clicks to the window manager" had to be unticked. WOrking beautifully now. But then again, that's with Compiz-fusion as the window manager only nothing else.

Since tombh's stepped back from puppy I've taken over 'Project Ripple', which was his original vision. Basically it features pure compiz-fusion window management, with nothing else. No kde, no gnome, no xfce, only compz-fusion, rox, and cario-dock. I've got a test model running on the eeepc, and wil make a release shortly. Why I'm mentioning this here is that with using rox it's not a whle lot different than the standard puppy... just imagine a fully hideable dockbar instead of the puppy panel, icons on the dockbar, widgets hidden on the compiz-layer, and standard puppy support for the rox desktop. While I'll rebuild this all from unleashed for Ripple, currently the development base is sitting on top of a standard Pupy 4.1 install. So I wonder.... how difficult wuld it be to provide some scripts to morph puppy in compiz-fusion puppy, for those interested? I'm imagining something similar to ezpup. Well and truly beyond me, but if anyone's interested I'm happy to provide all the info I have on how puppy works with just Compiz-fusion, Rox, and Cairo-dock. Most of it will be in the Project Ripple thread anyway. Cheers.
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Nov 2008, 12:46    Post subject:  

zigbert wrote:
Ok, next stage.

I want to minimize the number of icons of the desktop.
Then we of course need a simpler way to add icons than today.
I have made an approach.

1. The fixmenus-script now also generates links of all menu-apps in /root/my-applications/bin/
2. The file /root/.config/rox.sourceforge.net/ROX-filer/globicons are updated to match all menu-apps in /root/my-applications/bin/
3. The script icon2desk (in menu) opens rox in /root/my-applications/bin/ and shows a message.


How about /root/Desktop instead of /root/my-applications/bin/. Reason being that a lot of applications installs 'shortcuts' to $HOME/Desktop in the form of .desktop files.

.desktop files are already defined for most 'applications' in puppy and has the advantage of identifying the icon. This setup would be similar to that of other WM/DE and should require less work.
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Nov 2008, 04:07    Post subject:  

Some too short answers to you guys. Great input, but unfortunately not bringing me closer to the truth. It might be that I just not played enough with the settings.....
- there is a extra problem with the transparent clock. it has to use the 'use-background' setting of xonclock.
- You shouldn't need to restart X to see changes.
- conky can't be started too early in .xinitrc, but it could be that a sleep in a external start-conky-script would solve it.
- qiv requires gtk1. I use xli instead, and I think it's doing the same job.

jcoder24
The icons in the desktop files are pointing to 16x16 icons, and are not very sharp as desktop icons.

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PostPosted: Wed 05 Nov 2008, 04:22    Post subject:  

I have made another 2 traybars. these are set to autohide and to layer 0, which means thay will only show up if the wallpaper is not covered with apps. The utility-bar has layer 8 to get on top of app-windows. fullscreen viewers should use a higher layer, and screensaver the top layer (13).



I have now moved trash-icon together with others to the top-left corner. This is cleaner, and I wouldn't have to hack the fixpuppypin script.

I suggest that the calender is the default widget, since it has a refresh rate of 60 sec. This shouldn't affect hardware too much.


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