Muppy 008.4c (final release)

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Sage · #16 Post by **Sage** » Wed 17 Sep 2008, 16:59

As requested:

# GRUB configuration file '/boot/grub/menu.lst'.
# generated by 'grubconfig'. Wed Sep 17 16:14:55 2008
#
# The backup copy of the MBR for drive '/dev/hda' is
# here '/boot/grub/mbr.hda.10762'. You can restore it like this.
# dd if=/boot/grub/mbr.hda.10762 of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1
#
# Start GRUB global section
#timeout 30
color light-gray/blue red/light-gray
# End GRUB global section
# Linux bootable partition config begins
title Linux (on /dev/hda1)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=normal acpi=force
# Linux bootable partition config ends
title Install GRUB to floppy disk (on /dev/fd0)
pause Insert a formatted floppy disk and press enter.
root (hd0,0)
setup (fd0)
pause Press enter to continue.
title Install GRUB to Linux partition (on /dev/hda1)
root (hd0,0)
setup (hd0,0)
pause Press enter to continue.
title - For help press 'c', then type: 'help'
root (hd0)
title - For usage examples, type: 'cat /boot/grub/usage.txt'
root (hd0)

#17 Post by MU » Wed 17 Sep 2008, 17:12

sage
I currently backup a partition to be able to run a full inallation.
Your menu.lst looks ok at first sight, so I must install myself for further checks.

otropogo

1. a recent post by Sage suggests (I may have misunderstood) the Muppy Live ISO may not fit on a CDR, but must be burned to DVD, and another poster has suggested that it will run much faster from DVD. Would appreciate your comments/suggestions on this issue.

Sage had no 800 MB CD, so if you have one, please try it, and tell us, if it works.
If DVDs are faster than CDs? No idea. but according to the reports it is worth a try.

2. can Muppy Mini load and run as a frugal install in 160MB of RAM?

Yes.
It will be loaded from disk, not from Ram.
If you don't have an extremely slow harddrive, this should be ok.
But you should use a swap partition with 256 Mb, or you might encounter freezes and unneeded slowdown.

3. Can Muppy Live also be installed as a frugal (I don't have 1GB of RAM available on any of my desktop machines)? If so, does the addon.sfs have to be in the same vfat partition as the main files, or can it be on another partition or on removable media (ie. pcmcia_flash or CD/DVD)?

Muppy live does not need addons.sfs, as everything is included in the main file, msy_084.sfs.
Yes, you can install it frugal.

4. if installed as frugal in tandem with another frugal Puppy, how does Muppy Mini need to be stored on the host partition in order to boot from DOS without GRUB?

I have no experience with linld.com.
muppy does not use "pup" files, but "msy".
So there is no conflict with your Puppy.

You could create a new batchfile:

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LINLD.COM image=vmlinuzm initrd=initrdm.gz "cl=root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd acpi=on"

So you would rename vmlinuz and initrd.gz from Muppy with an additional "m".
Like this you can put them in the same folder, where also Puppy 3.01 is located.

Mark

zigbert · #18 Post by **zigbert** » Wed 17 Sep 2008, 19:38

Congrats

Sigmund

otropogo · #19 Post by **otropogo** » Wed 17 Sep 2008, 19:57

MU wrote: otropogo

1. a recent post by Sage suggests (I may have misunderstood) the Muppy Live ISO may not fit on a CDR, ...
Sage had no 800 MB CD, so if you have one, please try it, and tell us, if it works.I

800mb CDRs - didn't know they exist! Guess I'll have to burn to DVD.

2. can Muppy Mini load and run as a frugal install in 160MB of RAM?

MU wrote:Yes.
It will be loaded from disk, not from Ram.

Pity!

MU wrote:If you don't have an extremely slow harddrive, this should be ok.

I wish!

#20 Post by MU » Wed 17 Sep 2008, 20:32

I updated the english Mini ISO.
It no longer showws german text at startup.
The Live Iso follows in some hours.

Alternatively, install the Servicepack1 PET from the next message.

sage
I tried a full installation on my external drive (required to patch the installer), but this does not work.
I must buy a huger CF-card tomorrow (I use it as internal harddisk).
So more info tomorrow.

Mark

#21 Post by MU » Wed 17 Sep 2008, 21:40

SERVICEPACK 1

I created two Servicepacks, english and german.

Servicepack1 is for Muppy 008.4c uploaded before September, 18, 2008.

On September, 18, the Isos were updated, and now already include the changes from Servicepack1.

Get it here:
ftp://ks301128.kimsufi.com/Muppy0084/fi ... vicepacks/

english:
changes german text when Muppy starts to english (/etc/rc.d/rc.local0).

english and german:
Replaces:
/usr/sbin/grubconfig

Grubconfig will set a drive "read only (ro)" on full installations.
I replaced all "ro" with "rw".

This might fix the issue reported by sage.
It also should fix the issue, when settings are not saved using a full installation.

If you already created a full installation, you must edit yourself /boot/grub/menu.lst, and replace "ro" with "rw".

Mark

Fishy · #22 Post by **Fishy** » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 00:44

Change from ro to rw stopped the x looping on my box. The dvd burner is not recognized in my full install. It was okay in the live disk and my second harddrive is not recognized after the full install. Only hda1 & 2 not hdb5 & 6. Muppy is installed on /dev/hdb6.

I tried to get my BFG 8800 nvidia card working but after the install at the prompt I got into a loop again. Typing "startmuppy" just returned me to to the dialog screen "type xwin to start jwm, reboot or shutdownor xorgwizard. I tried cfwizard both auto and manual selecting the newer board.

Having a newer video card and not getting it to work in any puplet is frustrating as hell, but, it is still more fun than windows.

Muppy will provide many hours of fun.

I should note that Dingo 4.08beta full install picked up both hardrives and DVD. The CD/DVD wizard in Muppy said no drives detected.

ASUS P5K Premium
Pentium Dual Core
Samsung DVD burner (sata set to IDE)
BFG 8800 GT 512 OC (Nvidia)

GeexBoxer · #23 Post by **GeexBoxer** » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 01:46

I would like to thank you "MU" for releasing such an excellent release. I have been using minisys for a while now and will begin to use this now. Thank you.

#24 Post by MU » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 01:55

GeexBoxer
I think I will upload a DVD edition this weekend (Live with everything included, so a 2 GB Iso).
It takes 4 hours to build it, and another 5 to upload.
As it has to be done for 2 languages, it will happen when the reports here show no further serious bugs.
It would be extremely timeconsuming, to upload bugfixed versions again.
Tomorrow I'll upload the buildsystem, at weekend the DVD version.
Mark

#25 Post by MU » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 02:23

Fishy,

as I need to buy a huger CFcard first, at moment I just can guess.
Please look, if there are the nodes for your drives in /dev/.
You should have /dev/hda6
If not, copy them over from the CD while you run Muppy booted from CD.

Also run
fdisk -l
to see, if your drives are listed.
Or:
muppyfinddisks -all

Are they visible with these commands?

Mark

GeexBoxer · #26 Post by **GeexBoxer** » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 02:35

I just started downloading "Muppy-Live-008.4c-EN.iso" and was at 7% and now cancelled it. Good you let me know that you were going to release a dvd version.

so basically let me get this straight

Muppy-Mini is just a basic system and following addons can be installed on it addons.sfs, games.sfs and office.sfs. but for those who don't want to install three addons can simply get megapack.sfs. so I figured getting Muppy Live will get everything but Live is missing megapack.sfs.
So now will the dvd version that you will release will include everything (all addons) including megapack.sfs. Am I correct?
Sorry for the long question.

And I would like to suggest something if you don't mind since the dvd release would be 2gb I would suggest you should split it up to several parts for easy downloading. This would save bandwidth and prevent file corruptions.

Thank You for the quick response.

#27 Post by MU » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 02:51

GeexBoxer,
no, it is like this:

1.) Mini + addons + games + office = Live

2.) Mini + addons + megapack = Live + development + kde + gnome

The DVD will be like 2.) , just that everything is in one single file.
So you can run KDE and everything else directly from DVD.

And I would like to suggest something if you don't mind since the dvd release would be 2gb I would suggest you should split it up to several parts for easy downloading. This would save bandwidth and prevent file corruptions.

I could use "split" to split them.
And write a script, that creates one single file again.
I did this for Megapacks back in 2006.

But you also could use "wget -c" to resume iterrupted downloads.
That is easier than to use a script I think.

What would you suggest as best method?
I have shell access to the server, so it does not matter, I can run every comand I need.

Mark

GeexBoxer · #28 Post by **GeexBoxer** » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 02:56

MU wrote: 2.) Mini + addons + megapack = Live + development + kde + gnome
The DVD will be like 2.) , just that everything is in one single file.
So you can run KDE and everything else directly from DVD.
Mark

Great. Thank You for clarifying.

regarding the split, no problem I'll use the wget as you are suggesting.

Thank You

#29 Post by MU » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 02:57

I updated my last post, please have a look at it

Mark

GeexBoxer · #30 Post by **GeexBoxer** » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 02:59

MU wrote:I updated my last post, please have a look at it
Mark

Thank You. I have looked at it.

Lobster · #31 Post by **Lobster** » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 03:28

Just like to say I am using this now for the 3rd day
(which might not seem very long but quite often I find some required facility not available and resort to the latest Puppy Official version within a couple of hours of puplet usage)

Once I had changed to JWM, disabled the desklets and switched to Seamonkey, I have something very familiar to Puppy users.
The default system was too radical (it would suit a new user or someone familiar with Muppy)

I (briefly) tried installing Xara Xtreme (a couple of pets) but it is not on the menu and frankly I have just been mostly using Seamonkey and have not tried very hard. (Been busy preparing a new timber floor I have built for its final layer - put in the underlay yesterday)

How would you recommend installing xara or any other package?
I am rather intrigued by Slackware compatibility . . .
How effective is that for installing?

Basically I have found Muppy completely workable
As Sage mentions - no show stoppers; just works

Good luck with the DVD version

#32 Post by MU » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 03:35

Lob, can you give me a link to the latest release of xara?
Then I will install it and look about the menu issue.
Please also try to run in a consolewindow:
fixmenus -force
Then restart jWM.
Mark

#33 Post by MU » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 05:44

Lob, here is an updated Xara:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 894#232894

Mark

Lobster · #34 Post by **Lobster** » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 06:16

Lob, can you give me a link to the latest release of xara?

This is the latest info I have - if your link is more up to date will add (forum is slow to link at the moment)
http://tmxxine.com/wik/wikka.php?wakka=XaraLx

Have implemented 'the force' - will have another go

May the force be with us . . .

#35 Post by MU » Thu 18 Sep 2008, 06:28

the version from ttuuxx is the same as mine.
I did not check his version, as I did not know about it.
Mark

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