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PostPosted: Tue 23 Sep 2008, 06:04    Post subject:  

Have now moved the site to the community website:
http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/archives/old-wikka-wikki/categorycommunity/puppy-42-deep-thought

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Sep 2008, 10:20    Post subject:  

I suppose my opinion isn't the most important. I haven't been around for a couple months, because I has trying other Linux Distros, to expand my knowledge, but I'm back again, and the minute 4.1 comes out, I'll be installing it, and you can expect a DCL 2009 in early 2009.
I think that any project that ever gets done needs a leader of some kind, maybe we elect them to run the project for a release and we have an election every couple months?
Also having 2 branches of Puppy, 3 and 4, maybe we should have a leader running each, and have them talk to make sure everything stays somewhat similar.
I don't want to see Puppy fall apart, but If it does, it means more cool lightweight, easy to use distros!

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Sep 2008, 10:59    Post subject:  

Another logo, this from Rastapix
- who is also working on icons for 4.2 (given enough time - he is busy with work)


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PostPosted: Sun 28 Sep 2008, 03:16    Post subject:  

Hey lobster I went to http://www.puppylinux.org/wiki/archives/old-wikka-wikki/categorycommunity/puppy-42-deep-thought
and you actually said Use EZpup 4.1/4.2 Eyecandy as default WM
OH my God who voted a 17MB pet package to be the new eye candy standard, LOL man thats needs to be rethinked,
I think the better one is my last 4.0 lite icewm 2mb including 86 new icons that was compiled on 4.0 not 3.0 like ezpup 4.0 was. what about the size issues and complications that would bring?
P.s lobster when you mass email people about 4.2 could you included me in it also Smile I like the wiki page you made up Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Sep 2008, 05:44    Post subject:  

I would say that JWM is working OK (apparently not currently being developed) and Ezpup or IceWm 2Mb - which does sound more puppian - or even xfce is a matter of choice - so the WM is not a priority

As the info is on a wiki - please add your choice Smile

Whoever is putting together 4.2 (4.1 is not out yet) will be able to make a more informed choice.

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Oct 2008, 23:14    Post subject: Quote BarryK
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Regarding upgrades of packages, including Xorg 7.4, ALSA, SANE, XINE, etc. ... well, perhaps that will be done for 4.2!

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec 2008, 09:55    Post subject:  

Maybe not the right place to say it...But I wanted to say I really appreciate the work you guys have put into this little OS. I've been a lurker of this forum for years and have been watching the progress from the sideline. I think puppy fits a niche for people whom like to tinker/experiment, and doesn't need all of the glam (or high system requirements) of Ubuntu/Vista and such.

On a side note I wonder if it's time to move to ICEWM as default.

Keep up the good work (maybe one day I'll start contributing myself) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec 2008, 18:01    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
I think the better one is my last 4.0 lite icewm 2mb including 86 new icons that was compiled on 4.0

@ttuuxxx - I have another small project for you. I am of a mind to include IceWM as an alternative window manager in Puppy 4.2, perhaps preempting a change in 4.3 or or beyond for the default. For the moment, though, JWM will remain the default in 4.2 ... SO, what I would like to see is a seamless, easy, reliable system for switching between the two wm's that newbies can use from the menu at a single click. Are you up for that?

I know that we have had issues before in getting from IceWM back to JWM. RichardA (I think?) tried to integrate the change and had problems he couldn't resolve around restarting X etc. Such a system would be considered a usability add-on in Puppy 4.2 and I'm sure would be welcomed by proponents of both wm's. Waddayasay?

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec 2008, 20:03    Post subject:  

The concept is easy.
Do not run from .xinitrc:
exec $CURRENTWM

Instead, run:
exec puppywm $CURRENTWM

puppywm is such a script:
Code:
#!/bin/ash

$1 &

while [ 1 ]
do

sleep 10000

done


So instead of a windowmanager, the last instance is a endless script.
Now you can type in a rxvt:
killall jwm
icewm &


Or:
killall icewm
jwm &


This will not exit X, as X still executes the endless script.

These commands could be run from a script, that is accessable from the menu.
In Muppy, I used a more complicated approach, but if you want just 2 windowmanagers, such a simple solution will be better.
The only problem you might encounter, are timing problems, or problems to kill a WM.
Here is code to help you from Muppy (muppywmchooser):

To kill Icewm:
Code:
   #killall icewm
   pid=`ps | grep " icewm " |grep -v grep | sed -e "s/^ *//" -e "s/ .*//"`
   kill $pid
   killall icewmtray
   sleep 2


To kill JWM:
Code:

   # -- kill windowmanagers


   pid=`ps | grep " jwm " |grep -v muppywm|grep -v grep | sed -e "s/^ *//" -e "s/ .*//"`
   if [ "$pid" != "" ];then
      xmessage -bg orange -center -borderless -buttons "" "jwm shuts down, wait......" &
      mpid=$!
      #jwm needs a focus-change to continue, so build and destroy a second dummy-message
      xmessage -bg orange -center -borderless -buttons "" "jwm shuts down, wait......" &
      dpid=$!


      while [ "$pid" != "" ];do
         pid=`ps | grep " jwm " |grep -v muppywm|grep -v grep | sed -e "s/^ *//" -e "s/ .*//"`
         kill $pid
         kill $dpid
      done
      sleep 2
      kill $mpid

   fi



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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec 2008, 20:24    Post subject:  

MU wrote:
The concept is easy.
Do not run from .xinitrc:
exec $CURRENTWM

Instead, run:
exec puppywm $CURRENTWM

Thanks, Mark. I'll give it a try. Cool

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec 2008, 20:50    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
I think the better one is my last 4.0 lite icewm 2mb including 86 new icons that was compiled on 4.0

@ttuuxxx - I have another small project for you. I am of a mind to include IceWM as an alternative window manager in Puppy 4.2, perhaps preempting a change in 4.3 or or beyond for the default. For the moment, though, JWM will remain the default in 4.2 ... SO, what I would like to see is a seamless, easy, reliable system for switching between the two wm's that newbies can use from the menu at a single click. Are you up for that?

I know that we have had issues before in getting from IceWM back to JWM. RichardA (I think?) tried to integrate the change and had problems he couldn't resolve around restarting X etc. Such a system would be considered a usability add-on in Puppy 4.2 and I'm sure would be welcomed by proponents of both wm's. Waddayasay?


Hey WhoDo

I like your thinking, that is an excellent idea!!, I'm glad Mu is leading the way on it, This is going to be great if you implement it. Would make a lot of new & old users very happy. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Dec 2008, 22:56    Post subject:  

Quote:
On a side note I wonder if it's time to move to ICEWM as default.


DSL has two window managers (one of which is JWM - allowing for a more generic Puppy interface)

IceWm is more reliable and configurable than JWM (discontinued?) and remember if Puppy crashes because of the Window manager - who gets the blame?)

In the days before JWM Puppy never crashed - NEVER!
Two major sources of problems have been JWM and Flash (but we need Flash)

So Puppy can do more but at a cost . . .
I think using both Window managers is a great compromise and many people want it. They want their OS to look nice and be configerable.

I hope we have room . . . Cool

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2008, 00:01    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:
MU wrote:
The concept is easy.
Do not run from .xinitrc:
exec $CURRENTWM

Instead, run:
exec puppywm $CURRENTWM

Thanks, Mark. I'll give it a try. Cool

@MU - Sorry, Mark, but no joy. I created the puppywm and called it from .xinitrc exactly as suggested. It wouldn't let me swap without also killing X and dropping me to a system prompt. Getting back was easy enough ... sometimes. A couple of times I had to run the xorgwizard to rebuild my xorg.conf file! Confused

@ttuuxxx - I am trying to be reasonable and offer choices wherever possible. Wink I'm also counting on you to produce the latest bug-free IceWM compiled on 4.x and taking around 2.5Mb or less. How's that for a challenge! Razz

@Lobster - I hope it fits, too, Ed. It makes sense to offer the choice if we don't compromise the size objective. I'm still aiming for sub-95Mb with Puppy 4.2 and a solid, reliable and usable platform for the versions that follow. Barry has done heaps to get us to the door. All we need to do is to walk on through.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2008, 05:20    Post subject:  

WhoDo wrote:

@ttuuxxx - I am trying to be reasonable and offer choices wherever possible. Wink I'm also counting on you to produce the latest bug-free IceWM compiled on 4.x and taking around 2.5Mb or less. How's that for a challenge! Razz


I can deliver that but it can't be the latest version, the reason why is that the latest version is full of bugs and doesn't compile properly, but I can compile the previous version no problem. has that sound, and for 2.5MB it will be much less Smile
I hope I can keep my min/lower/max window buttons with the paws, I really like them I also can include a couple of new small themes I've been building, I'll try to get the target around 1.5MB or less
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PostPosted: Sun 07 Dec 2008, 05:38    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:

I can deliver that but it can't be the latest version, the reason why is that the latest version is full of bugs and doesn't compile properly, but I can compile the previous version no problem. has that sound, and for 2.5MB it will be much less Smile
I hope I can keep my min/lower/max window buttons with the paws, I really like them I also can include a couple of new small themes I've been building, I'll try to get the target around 1.5MB or less
ttuuxxx

I love those paws, it's another great puppy innovation. Will they work ok with Zigbert's gtk orangish theme he has you working on?

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