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Best MP3 Player, with Buffering? (Solved)
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jakfish

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2008, 15:55    Post subject:  Best MP3 Player, with Buffering? (Solved)  

My mp3s are stuttering now and then, and the 4.1 Beta's gxine and pmusic don't seem to have buffering. Tried Aqualung with same stutter and lack of buffering.

I'm looking for a barebones mp3 player (don't need video, just music playlists and shuffle) that will allow me to buffer the files some in the hope that I can stop the stuttering.

Much obliged for any help,
Jake
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2008, 17:49    Post subject:  

Hi jakfish!

A lot on how we answer would depend upon just how you happen to have your 4.1 setup: Is it run from the CD with a pup_save.2fs? A frugal install? A full hard drive install? Likewise, what size RAM do you have, and how fast is your CPU?

Since the 4.00 and up series is based solely upon GTK2 then the lite-weight XMMS is out of the question. However, plinej (I believe he's the one responsible?) did a fabulous compiling of the Beep-Media-Player before this new dev team got ahold of it and made radical transformations in the software. So his rendition still ressembles the original basic mp3 player of XMMS as it moved from GTK1 to GTK2 coding. It's marvelous, works perfectly fine, plays several different musical formats, is still lite-weight, and I use it in combination with Streamtuner so as to play netradio. Smile

You should be able to find it by surfing through our "Additional Software" section, or doing a search for it. It should work on even low-powered machines I think without stuttering.

Good Luck!

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jakfish

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2008, 18:37    Post subject:  

Eyes-Only,

Many thanks for such an informative post. I'm running 4.1 Beta off a SDHC on a ASUS EEE 900, at 630mhz and 1GB RAM. I could run at 900mhz, but want the power saving mode on battery.

My searching tells me the most current version of BMP is 0.9.7.1. Is that correct?

Again, thanks for your help,
Jake
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jakfish

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2008, 20:38    Post subject:  

Eyes-Only,

I took the plunge, downloaded and installed 0.9.7.1, and have been listening to a long playlist for over thirty minutes without a skip. Thank you for a great suggestion.

BMP, with its incredibly low CPU usage and tiny physical size, reminds me of GSPlayer, a mp3/internet streamer, that works on both Windows and WindowCE (I'm migrating to Puppy from my Jornada 720 handheld computer).

They look alike and do exactly as they promise.

Jake
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Bruce B

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2008, 21:21    Post subject:  

Eyes-Only recommendation has solved the problem.

I just wanted to add a comment about niceness settings.

My experience is the decoding and playing mp3 files can be fairly CPU intensive. If you can play the files as the computer operator's only task and it doesn't skip or stutter, then I think there is hope for user multi-tasking by setting the mp3 player niceness level less nice.
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jakfish

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Sep 2008, 22:13    Post subject:  

Bruce B, I'll look into the niceness settings, but even with no tinkering of it yet, BMP's CPU usage is substantially lower than either pmusic or gxine (granted, those programs also do more).

Jake
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Bruce B

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2008, 01:24    Post subject:  

Jake,

Thanks for marking it solved and doing such a cool job. The niceness settings were my first thought when reading the first post, so I figured, what the heck, mention it anyway.

After reading about your success, I tried to find the file didn't find it. Will someone provide me with a specific location?

BTW - my low resource mp3 player has been mainly mp3blaster, but it doesn't stream. So I'd really like to have this low resource mp3 player that streams.

Bruce
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aragon

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2008, 04:32    Post subject:  

hi bruce,

according to their homepage

http://cmus.sourceforge.net/

cmus is also able to play streams. if you want to test it, here is the pet:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31164

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2008, 04:46    Post subject:  

Aragon,

Thanks a lot, much appreciated. I wish there were more ncurses and text based apps, enough to run low end computers without X and at very high speed.

Bruce
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2008, 08:35    Post subject:  

jakfish, that's great that BMP is working out for you, and I agree it's a good choice of audio player.
But "barebones mp3 player" "incredibly low CPU usage" "tiny physical size"?
I suggest that with a nice machine like an Eee your frame of reference is somewhat high. I have a Pentium2-350 and there are people on this forum with Pentium1's and thin-clients. For we lesser mortals, BMP is far from barebones and tiny!

I just checked the CPU usage of several audio players on my P2-350 with Puppy 3.1, playing a 128kbs stero MP3 file. The results may interest you:

Audacious 26%
BMP 21%
XMMS 8%
xhippo gui + madplay 3%
xhippo gui + mpg123 1.2% - now that's what I call low CPU usage.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2008, 09:32    Post subject:  

bruce,

there are some!

try elinks for browsing http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31628

another mp3player is herrie http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31220

another mp3player is moc http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31472

fapg for audio-playlists http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31473

yafc for ftp http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31514

mcabber for chat http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31513

abcde for cd-ripping http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31470

snownews as rss-reader http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=31468

newsbeuter as rss-reader http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=30638

shell-fm as lastfm-client http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=27805

and there are lot's more. as i have no realy ancient hardware (my oldest is a p3 with 650 mhz) i don't know if these tools all work well on older ones. but you might test one or another.

if you're connected to the web with your old machine please try elinks. in my opinion this one is a winner.

cheers
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2008, 16:39    Post subject:  

Bruce B: I don't know if you still need the BMP link but it's http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=136012

Tempestuous: since I come from the land of Psion and other handheld computers, my positivisms may inadvertantly sound like negativisms Smile : "barebones mp3 player" "incredibly low CPU usage" "tiny physical size" are all accolades for me.

Any MS addition to its WindowsCE OS (WMP, Pocket Outlook, etc.) was utter bloatware and a huge drain on the battery, so users like myself were eternally grateful for 3rd-party software. A cadre of Japanese users issued the best alternatives for a time, all 1/10 the size of a similar MS app.

My original post was looking for a "barebones mp3 player," but now that folks have pointed me towards BMP, it's much sophisticated than I probably need. "Don't skip the songs" and "don't eat the battery" will always satisfy me.

I'm intrigued by your results, especially Audacious' CPU usage. I also run fluxflux's eee distro and found that Audacious did not have a skipping problem. Since you show that its CPU needs are near BMP's, that would explain its success on a SDHC.

Odd that madplay does so well in linux: the CE version was very needy, cpu-wise.

Jake
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2008, 18:02    Post subject:  

Hi Jakefish,

I didn't recommend Audacious when originally writing my post due to the fact that I've never been able to successfully get it to run on Puppy 4.0, hence why I mentioned solely BMP mate. Wink Of course I run other players as well but you were asking for something easy on the CPU, etc.

@Tempestuous: I likewise didn't mention any of the other players to Jake, such as you'd mentioned mate, for his above stated reason---that he was on Puppy-4.1 beta if I remember correctly (Sorry for not scrolling back now to check the precise version!) and if I recall correctly, like 4.0, it's solely gtk2-based, right? I would have thought XMMS myself as I've always been very pleased with that and its performance on other Puppies/distros, but where it's gtk1-based... he'd have had to have installed the complete gtk1 libraries and I'm unaware of its over-all size. Ditto for other players with which I have only a passing acquaintence, etc.

Actually, I was shocked when you'd written that you were running 3.01 on your specs. Wow...

Okie, I've rambled enough and now I'm outta here...

Amicalement/Cheers!

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Sep 2008, 18:21    Post subject:  

big_bass has an xmms package for puppy400.
I use it. Works great!
It also seems to be able to use most plugins. I copied over my files from frugal 300 and all are working.

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Sep 2008, 11:51    Post subject:  

Sorry to have taken so long to reply---excellent LONG weekend spent with my grandson, and yesterday was spent recuperating! LOL! Very Happy

Thanks for that info Trap! Wowzers! This is great! Very Happy AND very much appreciated I'll add. But how on earth you ever manage to keep all these things sorted out Trap amazes me. Shocked You must either bookmark, or make notes? (I lose both all too easily. hehe!)

Once again, thanks Trap. Saved to my "/BackUp" directory and I'll install it when finished with my threads here today.

Amicalement/Cheers!

Eyes-Only
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(P/S: Hey Trap? My wife heard that because of all the rain we got this summer our trees this fall should be spectacular this year! Man---I can't wait! Shocked )

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