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Wakepup2 Aug 2008 - floppy image for booting from USB
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Crash


Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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Location: Garland, TX

PostPosted: Mon 08 Sep 2008, 01:03    Post subject:  

otropogo wrote:
the worst regression is with the pcmcia_scsi


One change I made on this version was to archive some of the large files that I didn't think were used. One of them was config.exe in the \driver\cardsoft directory. My tests didn't indicate that it was needed, but I don't have the hardware to test it fully either.

Does the "August 2008" version still work? If so, please re-name the config.exe file to something else on that version and re-run it. If it fails, then I was wrong. If that is the case, I will overwrite the "Sept 2008" image with an image that has that file put back.
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PostPosted: Mon 08 Sep 2008, 02:27    Post subject: Re: Sept 2008 version  

John Doe wrote:
otropogo wrote:
PS. it's also maddening to have to boot up Windows to write the floppy image because Puppy doesn't have Rawrite available.


like this:
Code:
dd if=wakepup2.img of=/dev/fd0


double check that the value of 'of' device is correct or you can wipe out an incorrect disk.


You forgot to mention that you'll also need to either go to the directory where the image file is located,

like this
Code:
cd /mnt/hda3/AllPups/Wakepup2_08


or put the path of the directory into the command (even harder).

Anyway, since I had to reburn the August floppy img, I tried it your way. I had to go online to find your post, then enter the command and the path manually, which took several corrections, due to limited typing accuracy and forgetting about case sensitivity, and then, when it was all finally ready, Puppy failed to write the image (on a perfectly good floppy I had just used several times to boot and with an image file that had just passed the md5sum test) and gave me an input output error instead.

So now I get to do what I should have done in the first place - copy the img file to a flash card, take it to my Win98 machine, and write the image with Rawrite.

If I'd done that originally, it would have taken me a tenth of the time I spent getting less than nowhere with Puppy's command line. And I say "less than nowhere" advisedly, because now, if I'm lucky, I'll have to format the disk in Windows before writing the image. And if I'm not, the disk will be toast, and I'll have to find another floppy to write to....
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PostPosted: Mon 08 Sep 2008, 02:58    Post subject:  

Crash wrote:
otropogo wrote:
the worst regression is with the pcmcia_scsi


...
Does the "August 2008" version still work?.....



I'm afraid not. IIRC, I complained about this loss of pcmcia functionality some time ago, but you didn't respond, and then I got caught up in the parallel port testing and forgot about the pcmcia.

It must have happened while we were still posting in the "Bogus PP ZIP..." thread.

Here's the last reference I could find, from Jul 09, of Wakepup recognizing the pcmcia_scsi chain:


Quote:
Crash :
otropogo,

Is this the path that you took using the new pcmcia.bat to attempt to boot to the SCSI CD?

First menu:
7. PCMCIA Devices (Experimental)

Next menu, "Select PCMCIA, Zip Parallel, or SCSI":
1. PCMCIA

Next menu, "Ready to load ASPI Host Adapter Drivers":
1. All


yes

Crash :
Next menu, "Ready to load Peripherals":
6. aspicd.sys /d:USB-CD


I've generally chosen 1. All at this menu, but will try 6. alone as you suggest .

And yes, after removing your "rem", I now get the same initial result as with the original pcmcia.bat:

ASPI CD-ROM Driver of DOS Version4.01...

Host Adapter 0, Target SCSI ID = 4 - LUN 0: SONY CD-RW CRX145S 1.0c CD-ROM driver installed: I host adapter(s), 1 target(s),

Then, after pressing "any key" twice, I see the CD-ROM's access light go on for several seconds, but all wakepup reports is :

"file found on idehd, drive C:\


But I know we got a bit beyond that, to the point of having Wakepup2 recognize the version of Puppy on the CD, exactly as in the PP ZIP report just now. And then we lost it all....

One step forward, and two steps backward.
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Crash


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PostPosted: Mon 08 Sep 2008, 21:59    Post subject:  

Quote wrote:
Does the "August 2008" version still work?.....

I'm afraid not.


OK, we need to go even further back to get a baseline. With the "latest official Wakepup2 version", i.e. the one from Puppy 3.01, do you still get the message:

Quote:
ASPI CD-ROM Driver of DOS Version4.01...

Host Adapter 0, Target SCSI ID = 4 - LUN 0: SONY CD-RW CRX145S 1.0c CD-ROM driver installed: I host adapter(s), 1 target(s),


Gotta start somewhere...
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8-bit


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PostPosted: Tue 09 Sep 2008, 00:36    Post subject:  

I had experimented with even accessing parallel port devices for install of puppy on an old laptop.
First, even though you might have the windows or dos drivers for the parallel port device installed and see the puppy files on the external device, you cannot stop there.
When control passes to the puppy kernel, that windows driver for the device is gone and if driver support for the device is not compiled into the kernel, Puppy no longer sees or is able to access the device.
I went through this when trying to install Deli Linux.
From windows, I could read the parallel port cdrom fine.
But driver support from Deli for it was not loaded so in effect the cdrom did not exist.
So... is there a way to load the drivers for the device immediately after the kernel loads?
Just my thoughts on this.
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Sep 2008, 01:14    Post subject:  

Crash wrote:
Quote wrote:
Does the "August 2008" version still work?.....

I'm afraid not.


OK, we need to go even further back to get a baseline. With the "latest official Wakepup2 version", i.e. the one from Puppy 3.01, do you still get the message:

Quote:
ASPI CD-ROM Driver of DOS Version4.01...

Host Adapter 0, Target SCSI ID = 4 - LUN 0: SONY CD-RW CRX145S 1.0c CD-ROM driver installed: I host adapter(s), 1 target(s),


Gotta start somewhere...


OK. I found the post where I first reported this problem

Quote:
Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:46 am
....

Have finally tested the new pcmcia.bat file with and without the new autoexec.bat and config.sys, and am sorry to report the following:

.....
2. with the pcmcia option, the situation is rather worse. Where the old pcmcia.bat loads the ASPI CD-ROM driver for DOS, v. 4.01 and succeeds in identifying the SCSI ID and model of the CDROM drive attached to my pcmcia_scsi host adapter, the new pcmcia.bat doesn't appear to detect anything except an active socket("device 1 found"). And when all of the available SCSI drivers have been tried, reports:

"no scsi controllers found, no scsi logical drives to support".

So I'm afraid there's been a significant step backward.


So there's the problem. It's in the changes you made to the pcmcia.bat file released just prior to my report on July 4. There's no need to go all the way back to the stock Wakepup2.
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Sep 2008, 01:42    Post subject:  

8-bit wrote:
... if driver support for the device is not compiled into the kernel, Puppy no longer sees or is able to access the device....
.


There must be pcmcia support in the kernel, since all the versions of Puppy I've tried support pcmcia.

The problem is providing the pcmcia support via a boot floppy. This can be done, because I've used such floppy support to install Suse 9.2 on the CF-25 laptop.

. Suse 9.2 (kernel 2.6.8.) provided a five disk floppy set, and the pcmcia disk enabled the pcmcia port and the installed slimscsi adapter. After that, the installer was able to read the installation CD in the CDROM drive attached to the pcmcia_scsi adapter.

Anyway, the pcmcia_scsi support is not that important. What's essential is the pcmcia support. If we could get that into Wakepup, we could boot from a CF card adapter in the pcmcia slot.
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Crash


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PostPosted: Tue 09 Sep 2008, 02:33    Post subject:  

Otropogo-

You still need to go back to a known good baseline. I can't work backward, only forward.

With the "latest official Wakepup2 version", i.e. the one from Puppy 3.01, do you still get the message:

ASPI CD-ROM Driver of DOS Version4.01...

Host Adapter 0, Target SCSI ID = 4 - LUN 0: SONY CD-RW CRX145S 1.0c CD-ROM driver installed: I host adapter(s), 1 target(s),

?
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PostPosted: Tue 09 Sep 2008, 11:04    Post subject:  

Crash wrote:
...
With the "latest official Wakepup2 version", i.e. the one from Puppy 3.01, do you still get the message:

ASPI CD-ROM Driver of DOS Version4.01...

Host Adapter 0, Target SCSI ID = 4 - LUN 0: SONY CD-RW CRX145S 1.0c CD-ROM driver installed: I host adapter(s), 1 target(s),

?


Yes.

Have just written a fresh official Wakepup floppy with Puppy 4.0 and booted from it on the CF-25, with a CDROM drive attached to the slimscsi pcmcia adapter and the Puppy 4 alpha 5 LiveCD in the drive:

Initial Menu - selected #7 PCMCIA

got the above message, followed by

"...file found on idehd, drive C:\"

Second Menu: SELECT PUPPY BOOT MODE - selected #6 Boot Media

Third Menu: PUPPY MEDIA LOCATION - selected #5 USB CD
Wakepup reports

"....file found usbcd drive Z:"

Third Menu: selected #1 - Normal

"Searching for files in computer disk drives...."

Fourth Menu - TYPE A NUMBER TO CHOOSE WHICH PERSONAL FILE TO USE:

0 none
1. sda1 /pup_save301R.2fs
2. sda2 /dev_save.bak/pup_save-301Rnopass.2fs

I selected "0 None"

Wakepup reports:

"pup_405.sfs not found. Dropping out to initial-ramdisk console...
/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
#"

So Wakepup can clearly access the LiveCD in the pcmcia_scsi drive, otherwise, how would it know that the sfs file on it is called pup_405.sfs?
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Crash


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PostPosted: Tue 09 Sep 2008, 23:25    Post subject:  

OK. See if the attached test image works. It is derived from the Wakepup2 3.01 image with with John Doe's new autoexec.bat, config.sys, and todos.bat files inserted.

It does not support Zip Parallel Port, but if it works OK, I should be able to add it back in.

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PostPosted: Tue 09 Sep 2008, 23:42    Post subject:  

otropogo, can you tell me what drivers you modprobe to access the ppzip once booted?

also, what device is it recognized as?

I've got a custom initrd.gz/wakepup ready to test. I just want to cut out a step if possible by getting that info first.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep 2008, 00:38    Post subject:  

Crash wrote:
OK. See if the attached test image works. It is derived from the Wakepup2 3.01 image with with John Doe's new autoexec.bat, config.sys, and todos.bat files inserted.



Yes, it fails at the same place. But now there's an extra step, after Boot Media, which seems redundant.

In the original, when USBCD is selected in Boot Media, the drive is designated "Z:" immediately, now you get another menu and have to select USBCD again.


Didn't you also replace the corrupted Backpack files? I remember your reporting that they were corrupted.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep 2008, 00:43    Post subject:  

John Doe wrote:
otropogo, can you tell me what drivers you modprobe to access the ppzip once booted?


no

John Doe wrote:
also, what device is it recognized as?


It's not. I have no idea how to implement parallel ZIP support in Puppy. You'd think that since it claimed boot support for it in Wakepup for several years it would have it. But I don't see it, and I have no idea how to implement it.

John Doe wrote:
I've got a custom initrd.gz/wakepup ready to test. I just want to cut out a step if possible by getting that info first.


Wish I could help.
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Crash


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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep 2008, 01:12    Post subject:  

When you get to the "Select Puppy2 Boot Mode" menu with this version, you should be able to simply select "1 Normal" and continue.

Otropogo wrote wrote:
Didn't you also replace the corrupted Backpack files? I remember your reporting that they were corrupted.


This is a clean restart. I'll add them back after this is tamed down a bit.
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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep 2008, 01:40    Post subject:  

otropogo wrote:
Wish I could help.


Try 'modprobe imm' and see what happens.

Lots of info here:

http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/ZIP-Drive.html
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