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wow · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 950

The other way so start compiz...
I'm using lxsession to launch Compiz Fusion, AWN, Cairo Dock, nautilus and gnome settings manager. If you want to learn how to make another "frankenstein" desktop environment read this http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXSession, download the source code from http://lxde.org/, and apply this [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=230812#230812patch to add a puppy specific shutdow dialog[/url].

dinky · Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 699

Thanks for that. How do I remove the .wh.* files? Ta.

tombh · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 422 Location: Bristol, UK

Okay, started a Project Ripple thread.

Just because there's a thread doesn't mean we have to rush into it! Step by step eh. I've got a new job now, so won't be able to take sly adventures into Puppy land during the day anymore Sad

BTW I've just got me a new laptop, very swish it is too. Got CF going with Puppy 4.1, thanks to gray's nVidia drivers and JB4x4 XFCE pet. Hurray!

dinky · Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 699

Well, there's precious little time at my end. Have managed to snatch a few minutes this morning, and last night, to play around, but that's finishing shortly. Friend's on their way, and I've promised my wife to have the vacuming done before their back from a milk run...lol. Ah, the life of domesticality. It's nice to be boring once in awhile...lol.

Anyway, glad you've started that thread, will respond to it soon. Been playing around with a few rebuilds of unleashed, and will get back to you shortly. Cheers!
~dinky

wow · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 950

@dinky: Use this command to remove whiteout files (.wh.*) and reboot:

cb88 · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 1160 Location: USA

getting this error:
compiz: error while loading shared libraries: libX11-xcb.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

I've got the nvidia blob working and eveything else is good to go... on NOP 4.1
Linux puppypc 2.6.25.16 #1 Tue Aug 26 10:45:53 GMT-8 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

am i missing some .pet?

installed the fusion-28Jul08pup4-i686.pet and ccsm as well

now im getting that error Confused

EDIT: forgot to mention I also added some captions to my compiz video from way back and also the wNOP video ....hopefully i will be able to make a new one for puppy 4 soon!

dinky · Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 699

You're on the right track, but you're missing 2 packages, the full xorg dri set, and your libwnk package. Go back and re-read ALL of the instructions at the beginning of this thread, they are there. Good luck!
Smile

~dinky

cb88 · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 1160 Location: USA

nope installed those.... perhaps something got corrupted

dinky · Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 699

Did you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf & /etc/profile ?
Otherwise, no clue. Try from a fresh install perhaps? Have you put the command to launch compiz-fusion at the start of /root/.xinitrc? Try this, then after exiting X type "xwin rxvt". Often I've found this will at least show you if compiz-fusion is working, and you can trouble shoot from there. Good luck.
~dinky

glassparrot · Posted: Tue 18 Nov 2008, 18:43 Post subject:

Hi Tombh.

Thank you for all of your work with compiz on Puppy. Wnop was a powerful draw on my heart, and was instrumental in me deciding to become a Puppy afficiando. Lately, I have been earnestly interested in learning the steps to install compiz myself on top of Puppy 4.1.1 and this tutorial has been very helpful. I have been successful following your instructions when it comes to my 701 eeepc. However, I am somehow not able to install the nvidia drivers which you suggest on my desktop computer. I have tried a good number of Gray's pet packages, but they all falter on installation. I get the introduction petget dialogue. But then nothing happens after that.

I'm currently having a conversation with Mu about the problem over here. We'll see if I can get nvidia installed through using the standard "nvidia.... .run" program along with the Puppy source files. This dilemma puzzles me, because your wnop 0.2 works fine on my desktop computer, with the nvidia driver which is included in it. Is there some way I could simply take the nvidia driver files from wnop, and move them over to where I have Puppy 4.1.1 installed?

I honestly think that easy installation of graphics card drivers ought to be a priority for Barry and other Puppy developers. This is the first thing a tech needs to be concerned about, if he is rebuilding a customer's microsoft pc for example. If those aren't installed, it looks as if he's broken the client's computer. Puppy does valiantly well with the stock xorg and vesa drivers. But one definitely sees the difference in smoothness of appearance.

ps... info you might be interested in having: My computer now has an nvidia card with the 8500GT chipset. And I hope to soon move to a card with a 9600GT chipset.

glassparrot · Posted: Thu 20 Nov 2008, 04:00 Post subject:

Ok... I've succeeded in installing the nvidia drivers, and getting compiz working on my desktop machine, thanks to the earnest help of Mu.

Maybe, a couple suggestions for you, Tom...

* In the tutorial, you might be more specific about where one places the "LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 compiz --replace --indirect-rendering --sm-disable ccp &" command in the .xinitrc file. Placing it in the wrong location can cause serious problems.

* One might point out that in order to load the dri file, you have to make sure the reference to it is left in the xorg.conf file in the modules section. The nvidia driver deletes that line when it modifies the xorg.conf file upon installation.

* I found that I needed to reinstall the nvidia driver after installing the "xorg_xorg_full_dri ...pet" package, in order to get compiz working properly.

* Generally, it seems like a good ethic to modify the xorg.conf file manually, rather than letting the nvidia (or another non-puppy) program do it. This weeds out a lot of problems which can happen, because of the lack of control you'd have over those edits, otherwise.

Thanks again for you work, Tom. Compiz really revolutionizes the puppy experience, in a good way.

glassparrot · Posted: Thu 20 Nov 2008, 23:26 Post subject:

glassparrot · Posted: Tue 25 Nov 2008, 17:24 Post subject:

One question I have for you Tom (or anyone, really):

What is this unix command line construct where you can prefix a command with "LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1"? I notice that I can't use that form of command as one of the xfce autostarted applications. Is there a way to call up a terminal first, and execute it from within the terminal using that prefix? On Microsoft boxes, the thing you'd do is preface the entire command with "cmd /c." Is there an analagous method for linux/xwindows?

I would like to somehow take the compiz command out of the .xinitrc file, because when it's in there, it tends to cause problems with xfce icon themes. I can, of course, run the compiz command without the "LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1" prefix; but then my keyboard starts acting funny. Pressing the alt key, for instance will immediately minimize an xfce window.

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Edit....

Ok... I've solved my problems here. It seems that with linux two commands can be placed on the same line separated by a space. Am I right about that? I found that with my computer, I don't need to use anything except compiz --replace ccp

Furthermore, if compiz and emerald are running, and you save the xfce profile, they will be started again next time around; thus, you really don't need to put a compiz command in the boot process at all. And emerald can be called from within the compiz control panels, as was instructed above.

My problem with the cursor themes occurred when the compiz command was in the .xinitrc file, and compiz loaded before xfce did. So that's taken care of by simply omitting the compiz command.

My problem with the alt key minimizing the windows spontaneously, occurred because I am using my F9 key as a home key and my F12 key as an end key. Somehow in the absence of any key mapped to F9... compiz does the minimize action with just Alt, instead of Alt+F9. So that problem was solved with a simple adustment in the compiz control panels.

horseman · Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 9

Does this slow down Puppy substantially by installing Gnome and Compiz? I like both of those, but not as much as I like Puppy's performance.

glassparrot · Posted: Sun 11 Jan 2009, 22:49 Post subject:

Horseman... I would suggest you try out a premade compiz puplet first. For instance, tombh's WNOP.

Yes, you pay a significant performance penalty for changing to another window manager like Gnome or KDE, and even more yet, when you use compiz. Compiz seems to be designed to work best on a machine with

at least a dual core processor (and so you'll also need to manually build a puppy with the smp kernel), and
a top of the line graphics card - for instance one with an nvidia 8800 chipset or an nvidia 9800 chipset.

I've had success with an nvidia 8500 graphics card, too, however. There are many ways you can adjust compiz to fit with the performance of your computer - just go into the compiz control panel and play around.

Really, though, I've enjoyed compiz on my little asus eeepc which runs at 500mhz and has 2 gigs of memory, and an ordinary intel onboard graphics daughterboard. I wouldn't say it was a blazing fast experience - but it was fine for me.