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VLC 8.6h mediaplayer Lite 7.8MB pet
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Tue 29 Jul 2008, 23:19    Post subject:  

JB4x4 wrote:
ttuuxxx,

I tried out a couple of MP4's and....... Smile They worked. Thanks alot!! Just curious, it looks like you had to add some codecs and libs. Would you consider repackaging the pet with these?

JB


Hey JB

But of course I'll be more than happy to repackage it, Smile
I was just waiting for your confirmation that it works,
The only outstanding issue to date is flac audio. well thats no big deal anyways, Users can use small audio players for that, like beep media player (bmp) player.
Actually VLC does have an issue with flac audio, I tried to fix it.
Thanks for testing it. Thats what I can use more of, is testers.
Thanks Wink
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jul 2008, 00:26    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
The packages were compiled as i386 so no hardware acceleration. But compiled at that speed It doesn't need it.

The term "hardware acceleration" is often misunderstood. Hardware acceleration, as it applies to media playback, is most importantly graphics hardware acceleration. With the appropriate "XVideo" output method a media player application should be able to take advantage of the graphics device's processing to handle colour space conversion and scaling, thus relieving the CPU of these tasks. The benefits in terms of CPU usage are slight, only 5-10% reduction, but image quality is far better and fullscreen works better.

With "XvMC" output method, the hardware acceleration concept is take one step further by actually decoding the MPEG2 codec ... but that's another story.

I'm pleased to report that this VLC version does include "XVideo" output, refer attached image, so graphics hardware acceleration is certainly available, and automatically in use when possible.

clickelliott wrote:
I'm using 4.0 on a Celeron 2.something Ghz with 640mb 266ram, 256mb nvidia.

ttuuxxx wrote:
a great report on an older pc

"older"? No wonder so few people understand hardware acceleration: they don't have hardware old enough to see the difference!

Let's get "older" into perspective: the official minimum specification for DVD playback is Pentium2 with 16MB AGP graphics card which supports Xvideo overlay.

I have a Pentium2-350 with (more recent) 256MB nVIDIA graphics card which is close to this specification, and ideal to test media player applications.

When I boot the Puppy4 CD and install this version of VLC my CPU usage while playing a DVD is 68%.
Under the MPlayer gui (GMPlayer) and using "xv" output my CPU usage is 81%.
When I launch MPlayer from the commandline my CPU usage is 70%.
Gxine is 77%.

ttuuxxx wrote:
Plus it (VLC) takes less resources.

According to the above results, only by a small margin. On anything from Pentium3 up this margin will be unnoticeable.

ttuuxxx wrote:
Well The dvd image quality is better <snip> It plays better image quality

Not on my system with nVIDIA and MPlayer using xv output. As good? Maybe, but no better.
Picture quality differences will more likely be due to video output configuration: xv versus x11.

ttuuxxx wrote:
Plus its smaller.

This VLC package is 9.5MB total, thanks largely to wxWidgets.
My MPlayer-1.0rc2 package (with inbuilt ffmpeg) is 5.0MB.
The 2 MPlayer packages which bind to Puppy4's external ffmpeg; the official dotpet and the one by plinej, are both about 2MB.

ttuuxxx wrote:
The DvD search is faster

Possibly.

Newcrest wrote:
is there any advantage over Mplayer/Smplayer?

VLC's claim to fame is good DVD menu support.
VLC seems to engender loyalty amongst its longterm users. That's fine. I just wanted to get some facts straight.
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jul 2008, 01:35    Post subject:  

well tempestuous
it looks Like vlc is wins 1st place in all area's except size, well I think compared to the last release which was a 18MB pup, this version is better, due to it is 1/2 the size, it has about 2-3 extra codeC's and lets not forget the streaming video, Thats where VLC wins hands down.
Have you ever played asx videos with mplayer/gxine vs VLC ? Some work and some don't, Vlc Is the old reliable/dependable which they all work.
If the others fail Vlc usually can do it.
Oh also 1/2 of this package is the wx Library, When comparing sizes, I would say VLC is 4.8 MB because you use this handy library for other things Like Multiget.
The multi-thread downloader with pause and resume. With that I can download from capped server around 4X the default download speeds.
from 30 mins to 6 Smile
And that depends on the wx libs. I'll post muggins pet at the bottom of the screen, for an extra 300KB you have a real nice program.
Also when you were comparing cpu usage and you mentioned command line did you mean you were comparing mplay+gxine without UI vs Vlc with UI, because if so you run VLC via command line also. What was vlc cpu usage via command line, you left that one out?
Also I did try to make this version for older pc to use less system resources and it looks like 10% is a great number.
Have you measured what the original older VLC CPU usage was?
http://www.dotpups.de/dotpups/Multimedia/VLC-0.8.6.pup
Just wondering, Thanks for input. I did take about 30 tries to compile this Media player.
You probably could do better Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jul 2008, 07:05    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
What was vlc cpu usage via command line

I originally did try this, but VLC failed to access /dev/dvd as a raw device.
So I just tried again by mounting the DVD and accessing the directory, like this -
Code:
vlc /mnt/sr0/video_ts/

CPU usage is between 65-75%, almost identical to VLC with gui. It appears that the wxWidgets interface adds very little overhead.

ttuuxxx wrote:
Have you ever played asx videos with mplayer/gxine vs VLC

Many times, but not recently.
I have not mentioned this on the forum before, but I work in television, streaming video, and new media. MPlayer will play any video stream which is not blocked by ActiveX code or java.
If VLC plays a video stream that MPlayer doesn't, then either VLC has some magical way of cutting through the ActiveX code which is designed to exclude non-WindowsMediaPlayer users ... which is unlikely, or it's due to a web browser plugin issue. Maybe the VLC browser plugin is superior?
To know for sure, quote me the streams that you claim MPlayer can't play.

ttuuxxx wrote:
it has about 2-3 extra codecs

Until you can quote these codecs precisely, I will not believe that.
Over the years I've heard all manner of hocus-pocus about codecs. VLC, MPlayer, and Xine all use ffmpeg as their core decoding library. It stands to reason that their codec support would be equal, and this is generally true, except for additional library support which may be enabled.
By default, MPlayer utilises several different codec libraries and will even change between its libraries dynamically.
Thanks to the libmpeg2 library, MPlayer is famous for being able to handle corrupt MPEG1 and MPEG2 video files.
I don't think anything can touch MPlayer codec-wise.
As another example, try playing a video file with AMR audio codec in VLC. This codec is used in video files created by most (non-Apple) mobile phones.

After all this, am I an MPlayer zealot? No. With the current state of play I believe that a well configured version of XineUI (not Gxine) is the premier media player application.
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jul 2008, 15:21    Post subject:  

tempestuous wrote:

To know for sure, quote me the streams that you claim MPlayer can't play.
That was a few months back, When I come across it again I'll post the link for sure, I have nothing against Mplayer, I think its also excellent and you've done wonders with it.

ttuuxxx wrote:
it has about 2-3 extra codecs

Until you can quote these codecs precisely, I will not believe that.
Okay This one maybe I wasn't clear enough,sorry Confused , I was talking about this version of VLC compared to the original 18MB version, Nothing to do with Mplayer

After all this, am I an MPlayer zealot? No. With the current state of play I believe that a well configured version of XineUI (not Gxine) is the premier media player application
Most of my Puppy Variant releases I've included Xine-GUI because the Xine-Gui works fullscreen, it might not be as fancy as xine, but it functions better. I would of used VLC at the time but it was too big, As for the best all around media player for puppy, Well VLC @ 10MB that includeds VLC and Multiget, I would take that over any other media player, and less resources, faster dvd searches, drag and drop movies, or dvd folders etc, Well Thats My personal Opinion

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big_bass

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jul 2008, 15:41    Post subject:  

Quote:
Thanks for testing it. Thats what I can use more of, is testers.


I wanted to tell you in chat but you did not visit today
I am running some test too but on version 3.01 first
then 4.00




what we need is some more team work thats all
I think its good to have more options on the table
I like mplayer personally but VLC is a needed option for puppy too
keep at it ttuxxxx

just a quick note to tell you I am testing it too Wink

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jul 2008, 15:46    Post subject:  

big_bass wrote:
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Thanks for testing it. Thats what I can use more of, is testers.


I wanted to tell you in chat but you did not visit today
I am running some test too but on version 3.01 first
then 4.00




what we need is some more team work thats all
I think its good to have more options on the table
I like mplayer personally but VLC is a needed option for puppy too
keep at it ttuxxxx

just a quick note to tell you I am testing it too Wink

big_bass


Just remember buddy it was compiled on puppy 4.0 and I haven't a clue how it performs on puppy series 3. Shocked

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jul 2008, 02:41    Post subject: VLC h media player
Subject description: I have an older PC
 

I ran VLC-0.8.6h.pet, SDL-1.2.13.pet, wxGTK-2.8.8-i386.pet

Runing on a 1999 vintage Sony Vaio with 1.4 ghz CPU, 128 MB RAM, 256 MB swap drive. Gforce Nvidia 32mb VRAM

Played a video it used 138m vsz, 113%mem, 24%CPU No problems.

Played an MP3 file it used 128m vsz, 104%mem, 1% CPU No Problems.

This is my first time doing more than just seeing what puppy live CD was. It was a fresh run with no mods.

Keep up the good work!!!

Please let me know if I can test further.

Looking forward to the release of The Living Water version

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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jul 2008, 02:48    Post subject: Re: VLC h media player
Subject description: I have an older PC
 

Don64 wrote:
I ran VLC-0.8.6h.pet, SDL-1.2.13.pet, wxGTK-2.8.8-i386.pet

Runing on a 1999 vintage Sony Vaio with 1.4 ghz CPU, 128 MB RAM, 256 MB swap drive. Gforce Nvidia 32mb VRAM

Played a video it used 138m vsz, 113%mem, 24%CPU No problems.

Played an MP3 file it used 128m vsz, 104%mem, 1% CPU No Problems.

This is my first time doing more than just seeing what puppy live CD was. It was a fresh run with no mods.

Keep up the good work!!!

Please let me know if I can test further.

Looking forward to the release of The Living Water version

Don64


Hi Don

Thanks for the report, It does help a lot, Plus I like hearing when things just work right Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jul 2008, 19:34    Post subject: basic testing on P4
Subject description: Works just fine
 

Thanks for sharing this package - initial test on P4 1gig ram 2.4gig processor plays DVD and MP3 with no tweaks.

VLC is using (on DVD playback) 10% of processor and 13% of mermory.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2008, 00:35    Post subject: Re: basic testing on P4
Subject description: Works just fine
 

recycler wrote:
Thanks for sharing this package - initial test on P4 1gig ram 2.4gig processor plays DVD and MP3 with no tweaks.

VLC is using (on DVD playback) 10% of processor and 13% of mermory.


wow thats excellent resource specs thanks for that.
I guess its a keeper then. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2008, 01:55    Post subject:  

Could one have both MPlayer and VLC in same Puppy 4? Or would they
compete on which one is first to do a stream?

For a noob it is hard to sort out how this relates to
SeaMonkey, FireFox, Opera, etc Should all three "call"
either of these to play streaming video?

What about RealPlayer. Is that included then in both MPlayer and VLC?
I feel so confused Sorry!

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2008, 05:15    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
Could one have both MPlayer and VLC in same Puppy 4? Or would they
compete on which one is first to do a stream?

For a noob it is hard to sort out how this relates to
SeaMonkey, FireFox, Opera, etc Should all three "call"
either of these to play streaming video?

What about RealPlayer. Is that included then in both MPlayer and VLC?
I feel so confused Sorry!


Yes VLC can play Real Player files, Some version of mplayer can and some can't.
As for your question about them competing together, no it doesn't work that way, but you'll always have a backup player on your hands, just encase one doesn't load right, But I'm feeling very confident that this VLC will do just fine, for all your media needs.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2008, 08:16    Post subject: And with a low spec machine - further testing
Subject description: Puppy 4.0 with first 3 pet packages for VLC installed
 

Playing 'Lonesome Day Blues' from MP3 file on the hard disk. This notepad is a Toshiba Portege 3110CT with 128mb ram and a 300mhz processor (a PII).

Did comparison of gzine (with visualisation turned off) and VLC:

Gxine came out at 124% mem use and 38% CPU
VLC looked very good with 86% mem and 3% (sometimes 2%!) CPU usage. Unbelievable?

with some mpg video off a hard drive gxine 130%mem 98%cpu and VLC 112%mem and 89%cpu - but have to say the display at that point from VLC was roughly 3 times the size which makes a difference. plus not jerky like gxine.

VLC looks much better too Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Aug 2008, 08:45    Post subject: Re: And with a low spec machine - further testing
Subject description: Puppy 4.0 with first 3 pet packages for VLC installed
 

recycler wrote:
Playing 'Lonesome Day Blues' from MP3 file on the hard disk. This notepad is a Toshiba Portege 3110CT with 128mb ram and a 300mhz processor (a PII).

Did comparison of gzine (with visualisation turned off) and VLC:

Gxine came out at 124% mem use and 38% CPU
VLC looked very good with 86% mem and 3% (sometimes 2%!) CPU usage. Unbelievable?

with some mpg video off a hard drive gxine 130%mem 98%cpu and VLC 112%mem and 89%cpu - but have to say the display at that point from VLC was roughly 3 times the size which makes a difference. plus not jerky like gxine.

VLC looks much better too Smile


Wow some more amazing results, With such low cpu usage, that would be great for listening to music in the background while searching the web or playing online games like checkers or X-solider , etc since X-solider doesn't have sound to start with Wink
Thanks for the results, They are very promising for my future releases.
I find it so strange that its 3x the size and way less resources, and really thats what puppy is about, low resources. But also its a ratio thing resources against size, the magic number under 100MB. Well with the last release of 4.0 there was lots of room. Well thanks for your very promising results.
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