[INSERT] kills Seamonkey when posting to forum <KLUDGED>

[puppyluvr]

I have also had this prob with long posts, being logged out during typing.
Easy fix: after relogging in, use back button to navigate to the page with the post typed up, then submit... Works for me...

[otropogo]

I have also had this prob with long posts, being logged out during typing.
Easy fix: after relogging in, use back button to navigate to the page with the post typed up, then submit... Works for me...

I want to save this post for posterity as an example of the hazards of

1. not providing a proper context by means of quotes or other references to identify the specific post and issue being addressed, and

2. offering a solution without carefully reading the existing commentary in the thread

[alienjeff]

In Firefox 3, click file, save page as, web page complete.

With other browsers, YMMV.

[otropogo]

In Firefox 3, click file, save page as, web page complete.

With other browsers, YMMV.

Very funny Jeff.

But I don't have Firefox, and posterity doesn't get to tour my hard drive much.

But, I am still looking for a method as simple as you describe for saving an entire forum thread, instead of having to save it page by page and rename each one so they don't overwite each other as "viewtopic.ph".

The other thing that drives me crazy is, when reviewing saved pages of a thread, I see "posted today at xxxx" . What good is that? Posts should always be tagged with the date, time, and time zone from the get-go. If it's too hard for participants to remember the date, maybe a honking big calendar with the day's date could be suspended over the posts.

[puppyluvr]

You wrote:

Have mentioned the problem of the browser kicking me off the forum before. And respondents have confirmed that this has happened to them as well.

When this happens while composing a long, detailed technical post, reporting figures, etc., it's a royal pain, and a major disincentive to posting such material, as everything has to be retyped after logging back on (which alone takes some time).

I wrote:

I have also had this prob with long posts, being logged out during typing.
Easy fix: after relogging in, use back button to navigate to the page with the post typed up, then submit... Works for me...

Seems my responce was quite applicable.
But thats what I get for trying to help YOU.
I should have known better, but....

@(I have read the entire thread, (all 2 pages LOL), and tried to offer a simple solution to one of the issues mentioned) Browser death (the other prob.) is script related.

BTW...Thanks for trying to belittle me.
I shall also "save this post for posterity as an example of the hazards of" ....
Helping Otropogo....

@ Jeff, nice tip, thanks... (to many??) LOL

[otropogo]

...

@(I have read the entire thread, (all 2 pages LOL), and tried to offer a simple solution to one of the issues mentioned)

I guess you must have had a power nap or got distracted while reading my post of

8:23 am "yesterday"

bill wrote:
Yes,Cut n' Paste is the best way to assure you don't lose any of your laborious task ...

It is to laugh!.....

Maybe you'll "get it" on second reading.

[puppyluvr]

Hello,
Yes, I am aware of the cut-n-paste suggestion, and have used it myself.
However, for non pre-prepared responses to questions, it is a bit tasking to write the response in Geany first, then C/P it in, I just was trying to offer a simple solution, which has saved me much frustration in the past.

"Well, Excuuuuuuuuuuuuse Me"
Steve Martin.......

@ If you`d like, I can "not" tell you how to resize the input box for posting too............

[otropogo]

Hello,
Yes, I am aware of the cut-n-paste suggestion, and have used it myself....

You STILL don't "get it".

The point was NOT that someone had suggested Geany, but that I had already tried your suggestion, and had reported that it resulted in my most disastrous loss of work ever, worse than any I'd ever had with Seamonkey.alone.

Since there followed other comments on this phenomenon, I'm baffled as to how you could have "read" the entire thread and yet totally missed the meaning of my response to your suggestion.

My best guess is that "reading" means something completely different to you.

It's quite impossible to have an intelligent conversation with someone who claims to be "listening" but isn't.

I've got to learn to stop trying....

[puppyluvr]

Hello,

The point was NOT that someone had suggested Geany, but that I had already tried your suggestion, and had reported that it resulted in my most disastrous loss of work ever, worse than any I'd ever had with Seamonkey.alone.

MY Suggestion was to log back in, and back/page to the post again and submit it. At what point, in the 3 posts since did you report that??? Mozilla browsers cache pages, hey, why not use the technology.
As far as Geany, it wasnt my suggestion. I just agreed it was an answer, which I offered a simple alternative to, of which you havnt commented about, but attacked me about Geany instead..

Question: When the forum logs you out, ( The problem I had hoped to assist you with),
can you not just log in and backpage to the post again and submit it??????
Answer me please, without attempting to insult my attempt to help or going off on a tangent??...OK

@ With Opera at 160%, I am typing this into a 4" high, 8" wide box. Mozilla browsers also have a zoom capability, as does nearly every GUI browser I have, so whats the bfd???

[otropogo]

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MY Suggestion was to log back in, and back/page to the post again and submit it.

Well, your suggestion was as clear as mud. But actually it occurred to me that you might have meant that. So I tried it. I typed a page of text in the post window, as I'm doing now. Then I hit the "insert" key, and Seamonkey closed down.

Then I reopened Seamonkey, logged back on to the forum, and tried the back arrows, just as you described. There was nothing "cached" there.

So then I decided you couldn't have meant that, because you wouldn't have given such advice without having tried it yourself, right? That left as the only other explanation of your post that you meant composing in a editor and then "resubmitting" by means of cut and paste.

And hence, my two criticisms, the first about not providing a clear context for your remarks, the second for suggesting something that had already been suggested, tried, and pronounced a failure.

Question: When the forum logs you out...
can you not just log in and backpage to the post again and submit it?????

NO. I can't.

Are you saying you can do this in another browser?

.@ With Opera at 160%, I am typing this into a 4" high, 8" wide box. Mozilla browsers also have a zoom capability, as does nearly every GUI browser I have, so whats the bfd???

Yes, that's ancient history. Somebody suggested the zoom thing to me a couple of weeks ago. It helps, but doesn't work very predictably in Seamonkey. The post window width is a constant 4.75" on my monitor, regardless of zoom, only the font size changes. But once in a while the post window blows up and takes up the whole screen, and then it's a chore to scale it back down again.

no need for vulgar acronyms.

[raffy]

I have also had this prob with long posts, being logged out during typing. Easy fix: after relogging in, use back button to navigate to the page with the post typed up, then submit... Works for me...

That's 100% correct advise for the problem mentioned, with big smile added as bonus.

IMHO, the problem is the browser being used. Some external add-ons like Adobe Flash could cause browser problems, so it is a large enough topic in itself.

[trapster]

One nice feature with the latest firefox....whenever it crashes and you restart it, a message will come up asking if you want to start a new session or start with the previous session.

[puppyluvr]

Hello,
My suggestion related to being "kicked off the forum while typing long posts" and was quite applicable to that problem....
As for the other problem mentioned, it is definately Seamonkey. I tested it in 1.1.8 and BINGO, the insert key kills the browser. ( so does print screen and print preview).
I made a Seamonkey 1.1.11 pet, and tried it there, same result. Tested in Firefox, Opera, and Icecat, no prob...
Am looking at key-bindings ect...will post any results....
I cannot reproduce the bug in Geany as of yet...
Will keep trying...

[otropogo]

I have also had this prob with long posts, being logged out during typing. Easy fix: after relogging in, use back button to navigate to the page with the post typed up, then submit... Works for me...

That's 100% correct advise for the problem mentioned...

I had this bright idea myself last night, thinking to avoid the deadly "insert"key stroke in Seamonkey by composing my text in Geany.

How can a suggestion that fails completely be "100% correct advice"?.

It might possibly have been correct if the advice had included the caveats:

1) don't use Seamonkey as the browser, and

2) don't use Geany as the text editor.

But it didn't. And my reply to Bill clearly stated that I was using both of the above.

[puppyluvr]

I have also had this prob with long posts, being logged out during typing.

Note the LOGGED OUT in my post..
Nothing about insert..
Nothing about Geany..
Logged out,
"clear as mud??"
Whatever...

[otropogo]

I started this thread on July 9th, having reported the problem even earlier elsewhere.

Nothing but kludges have ever been suggested, and no developer has shown any interest in fixing the problem in software or even discussing the feasibility of such a fix.

In the meantime, I've lost dozens of hours of input because of this stupid software glitch, which is incurred all too often on my keyboard as the [INSERT] key is bordered by the [BACKSPACE] key on the left, and the [DELETE] below.

My worst single loss of input, moreover, occurred recently, when I opted to use one of the suggested kludges - to compose my input in a text editor and then paste into Seamonkey.

I entered text into Geany for several hours, and when I minimized the Geany window to look at something else on my desktop, Geany shut down without warning, and without saving my input.

So now, after two months of waiting in vain for a real solution, or even a promise of one, I've decided on a hardware kludge that simply works - I've removed the [INSERT] key from my keyboard, so I can no longer accidentally kill Seamonkey and all my input.

[muggins]

otropogo,

I don't know whether you would consider remapping the insert key a real solution, or a kludge, but xmodmap allows you to remap keyboard keys. I uploaded XKeyCaps, an xmodmap frontend, in this thread.

[KF6SNJ]

I guess my first question is:

What version of puppy are you using?

My second question is then:

What version of seamonkey?


I ask as I am using the beta of ChurchPup 3.01 with SeaMonkey 1.1.2 and I can hit the INS key all day long and nothing happens. Such being the case, I am trying to understand what is happening and why. Once we can clear those hurdles, we can hopefully know how to proceed.

[otropogo]

What version of puppy are you using?

Puppy 4.0 Kernel 2.6.21

What version of seamonkey?

1.1.8

I ask as I am using the beta of ChurchPup 3.01 with SeaMonkey 1.1.2 and I can hit the INS key all day long and nothing happens.

You can't stop progress, I guess....

[otropogo]

otropogo,

I don't know whether you would consider remapping the insert key a real solution, or a kludge, but xmodmap allows you to remap keyboard keys. I uploaded XKeyCaps, an xmodmap frontend, in this thread.

Hi muggins,

Nothing wrong with kludges, especially when there's no prospect of a native solution. I'll definitely have a look at your remapping solution.

Removing the [INSERT] key hasn't been much of a hardship for me, as I rarely use it. I just wish I'd done it weeks ago.

But thanks for the suggestion. There may be others who will find it much superior to the hardware fix I chose.