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steve_s · #46 Post by **steve_s** » Fri 18 Jul 2008, 14:47

MU wrote: On reboot, you now can choose your old one, or this new one for testing.
Mark

...man, you're like superman or Puppy Ninja or something...great advice.

Would the process then simply be activation of the correct modules, using radeon and drm and blacklisting fgrlx? Or is there a more extensive process? Know any good thread on that?

#47 Post by MU » Fri 18 Jul 2008, 14:53

both savefiles are 100% independent.

So the new one starts without fglrx.
it should use in xorg.conf

load "dri"
load "glx"
driver "ati"

by default, these are the settings for the free Xorgdriver.

Supported cards then have 3D accelleration enabled (immedeatly in "Muppy-Standard/Live" , or when you added addons.sfs in the bootmanager, if you use the Mini).

Mark

steve_s · #48 Post by **steve_s** » Fri 18 Jul 2008, 15:09

MU wrote:both savefiles are 100% independent.

So the new one starts without fglrx.
it should use in xorg.conf

load "dri"
load "glx"
driver "ati"

by default, these are the settings for the free Xorgdriver.

Supported cards then have 3D accelleration enabled (immedeatly in "Muppy-Standard/Live" , or when you added addons.sfs in the bootmanager, if you use the Mini).

Mark

Hmmm...so basically it should work right away or not at all. Gotcha.

Ok, I'll try it tonight, hopefully, and post back.

steve_s · #49 Post by **steve_s** » Sun 20 Jul 2008, 17:51

All right, the radeon/drm modules are in lsmod.

Oh, I created the "test" install without a hitch and we are now using the generic drivers they are at least a little quicker (now at about 24 fps rather than 22).

I have no errors in Xorg.0.log since I disabled aiglx.

Still no DRI, though.

I have attached a zip file with xorg.conf, Xorg.0.log and xerrs.log just for fun.

Please help get DRI activated!

#50 Post by MU » Sun 20 Jul 2008, 18:07

the xorg.conf is wrong.

Delete (line 26):

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    Load 	   "drm"
    Load 	   "radeon"

Instead, replace (line 133):

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	Driver      "vesa" #card0driver

with:

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	Driver      "ati" #card0driver

or with:

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	Driver      "radeon" #card0driver

It should not matter, if you use ati or radeon.
Mark

steve_s · #51 Post by **steve_s** » Sun 20 Jul 2008, 21:52

All right, got rid of those first two lines.

Then I changed "vesa" to "radeon" and rebooted.

X failed. i ran xorgwizard, X started, but /etc/X11/xorg.conf was rewritten.

I changed "vesa" to "ati" and rebooted.

X failed. I ran xorgconfig (not xorgwizard) and set everything up, using the generic ATI Radeon driver (my specific card was not listed...recomend one to select?). Rebooted.

X failed. Typed in xwin, no go. xorgwizard brought it back up.

So, it looks like I just need to get the generic driver configured. Suggestions?

steve_s · #52 Post by **steve_s** » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 00:14

All right, I've got news: someone has donated an nVidia card to the 'cause.

All I could figure out was that it was an MSI card with an nVidia chipset. Oh, and it's a pci express card, not AGP.

I don't know anything about it other than that...besides just looking on the card (couldn't find any marking to indicate) how can I find out which model card it is? Does that matter when searching for this driver?

I tried the "nv" generic driver but no 3d (even though it's already faster than that #$%#$% ATI card!).

Is this threadthe one I should look at for the nVidia driver? Recomendations?

#53 Post by MU » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 02:22

Xorg0.log will contain a line, that shows, what chip was detected.
Mark

steve_s · #54 Post by **steve_s** » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 20:13

MU wrote:Xorg0.log will contain a line, that shows, what chip was detected.
Mark

(--) Chipset GeForce 6200 TurboCache(TM) found

...that's it, right? Got a good pet driver for that one? I'm looking right now, but please post back if you beat me to it...

#55 Post by MU » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 20:21

In muppy, the nvidia driver is included.
It should pop up, when it detects the nv driver, and offer you to install the propriatary ones from Nvidia.
This was broken before Muppy 0083F, if you have an older Muppy (like 0083E), I can search the bugfix.
It works with the Nvidia 6800.
I used this pet to integrate it in Muppy:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22204

Did you not get the message from the Nvidia-Installer?
What version of Puppy do you use at moment?

Mark

steve_s · #56 Post by **steve_s** » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 20:45

...thanks, MU, but I installed something already...hope I didn't jack it...oh, I'm using the version that you mentioned at the beginning of this adventure...

The installer didn't say anything, but it did when i installed this pet file from here...I used the 100 one...

However, I ran 3dcc and it said to install opengl...I installed xorg_opengl-7.0 and it says I still need to install opengl...did I screw it up?

Edit: I have this now (see attachment) but when i click on opengl information, X completely crashes! Such fun! Is there a version of opengl that I need to install? It looks like this is the correct nvidia driver, I think...

#57 Post by MU » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 21:13

if you installed xorg-opengl after the nvidia-driver, you broke Nvidias Opengl.

You need to install the Nvidia.pet again.

And ignore the message from 3DCC, with nvidia everything is different...

Mark

steve_s · #58 Post by **steve_s** » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 22:19

MU wrote:if you installed xorg-opengl after the nvidia-driver, you broke Nvidias Opengl.

You need to install the Nvidia.pet again.

And ignore the message from 3DCC, with nvidia everything is different...

Mark

Gotcha...took care of it.

Now the video card works!! Let the games begin!

Ok, we got the quake/doom single person shooters...look good! Now I need to add some other good games on there...of course, I'll have to do it when my kids aren't using it...I've already been kicked off for a little while since they found out the card is working...I'm posting this using the Puppy laptop...

I'll post back with more successful game updates...

MU: you rock! Thank you so much for this much!

MU and everyone else: post your game suggestions and overall suggestions for this system...thanks!

steve_s · #59 Post by **steve_s** » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 22:55

All right, tremulous installed like a champ...downloaded the linux run program, right clicked it in Rox and selected permissions and set it to be an executable and installed great! The oldest boy is running through the game right now...here is a screenshot from their website...

steve_s · #60 Post by **steve_s** » Mon 28 Jul 2008, 00:01

Here's another one for you gaming hacks out there: gave Shaiya a shot.

One would have to troll around on forums such as this and it might be necessary to look in areas such as this to get Shaiya to work on linux, one would pre-suppose...not saying I would do hacks such as this, 'cause I don't know if one is allowed to do such things.

I was however, through various means, able to get Shaiya to at least start up in Puppy...however, X crashes soon after that....I bet it is something in my X configuration regarding wine...anyone have any ideas?

Oh, and does anyone have any ideas on games that are similar to this? It seems that MU has provided quite a few 1st person shooters in this version (thanks again) but something in the Shaiya genre would be great.

Any ideas on this?

*Edit: here is a link with more info and some dll files that may be needed to run this game...I'll be trying that soon and posting back.

steve_s · #61 Post by **steve_s** » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 21:38

All right, I found a game that is MMORPG like Shaiya that is Linux compatible: Regnum. Looks pretty good...

But after login and trying to get the game going, I got the same I had with Shaiya...thought it had been wine and Shaiya before, but now not sure.

Logged into Regnum and X crashed.

Checked X log outside of X and saw something like this:

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Fatal Server Error:
Caught Signal 11.  Server aborting

Anyone have any ideas what this error means?

#62 Post by MU » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 13:10

tremolous looks very great.
What a pity, that it has no singleplayer mode

I made a first version of a game-muppy 084.
it includes no games yet, but all the libs and drivers you usually need.
Also the driver-detection and support is better now, as it is based on wNOP2/Tigerpup.

You just had to add a games-sfs, customize the outfit, and voià

It also should not launch by default the 3D-desktop for gaming, as that uses too many resources.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 416#219416

Mark

steve_s · #63 Post by **steve_s** » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 13:23

MU wrote:tremolous looks very great.
What a pity, that it has no singleplayer mode

I made a first version of a game-muppy 084.
it includes no games yet, but all the libs and drivers you usually need.
Also the driver-detection and support is better now, as it is based on wNOP2/Tigerpup.

You just had to add a games-sfs, customize the outfit, and voià

It also should not launch by default the 3D-desktop for gaming, as that uses too many resources.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 416#219416

Mark

Thanks, Mark! I'll check it out...add another frugal install, probably. See what happens...

steve_s · #64 Post by **steve_s** » Sun 03 Aug 2008, 16:17

Hey, MU, playing with the new gamer muppy as a frugal...nice job! Found the video card right away, at boot up! Nicely done...

I'm still playing with it...I don't have window borders (something in my config, I'm sure) and I don't really have it set up yet, but wanted you to know that the video card set up worked great!

#65 Post by MU » Sun 03 Aug 2008, 18:59

please be certain to read the follow-up messages.

the first upload had a bug, that I fixed later that day.

Type in a console:
echo $XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS

If it returns "1", you have the one with the bug.
Else, please as usual: attach xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log

Mark

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