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To slow - 200 Mhz 64 Mb ram (laptop)
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ledo

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Jun 2008, 10:29    Post subject:  To slow - 200 Mhz 64 Mb ram (laptop)
Subject description: ...usb detection, compact flash trouble, speed optimization...
 

I played around with puppy linux 4.0 these wekeend. I wanted to install it on old laptop 200mhz 64 mb ram. The model is Toshiba 310CDS.

The problem? It's just to slow. What should i do?

Another thing. I played arround with compact flash to ide adapter.

I can use it as a disk to save changes on it (and main .sfs file) but install from universal installer doens't work fot CF to Ide installation type. I can format it. When try to instal it yust doesnt do enything.

I would like to put it on CF beacose its sillent HDD is to loud.

I will browse the internet with it - use it for msn and mail, play some mp3 and write text. Nothing else.

Is there any puplets sutible for me? I tried 12 mb version and its yust to empty. I dont know much abaut linux thats the problem.

I have CD-rom and 1.44 diskete and USB.

I would use the USB key for some kind of frugal install and boot with diskete but the problem is puppy doesnt recognize my USB stick. But on windows everything works. Can i manualy detect it somehow?

I don't mind if its on CF or USB stick yust that is flash and quiet.

What should i do?

P.S. I have CF USB card reader writer too. CF ide adapter is cheap so probably slow. But somehow i must optimize puppy first so it wont be too slow ond these old PC.

I know how to use pet-be-gone but i have troubles with remake of CD.

And i dont know what to remove. I would remowe video stuff for exampel but don't know what i am removing.
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Jun 2008, 13:35    Post subject: re-too slow  

You really need more ram.
A swap partition would help too.
Using a CF drive would save on batteries.

I Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Jun 2008, 13:44    Post subject:  

I personally would make a large swap drive, then I would install fat free or meanpup, The smaller the better, The older kernel the better, Stay away from puppy 4. Look more at 2.14,2.17 or even 3 retro, I would remove half the programs also that you don't need, like cups, etc thats why the fat free would run run better.
have fun
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ledo

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PostPosted: Sun 29 Jun 2008, 17:52    Post subject:  

Yes we are thinking the same.

I managed to Remake CD (custom lice CD) and works fine now.

The problem is if i use CF or USB stick than i can't use swap.

If i put in hard disk its faster but louder and that is not cool. I already have more powerful PC in the room but it makes noise.

For writing text i would like to have sound free PC. And it is with CF.

But it's too slow. Fat -free yes. Only ram is the problem i know. But the other problem is that laptop dont support much more evan if i would like to buy some old ram i can't.

But if i want CF or USB stick as i understand then system must be loaded in memory completly.

But i am not sure i could make it so light that 64 mb ram would be enought.

I would use DSL but the problem is i like Puppy more. More user friendly.

And what to do to detect USB stick and try with that. Any suggestion?
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Jun 2008, 19:35    Post subject:  

Seconded for MeanPup.
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ledo

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 07:47    Post subject:  

Ok i will try MeanPup.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 10:42    Post subject:  

Where to downlooad MeanPup? I search

http://puppylinux.org/wiki/archives/old-wikka-wikki/categoryderivative/meanpuppy

But no download link.

Edit:

Ok i found these link. http://www.my-plan.org/storage/puppyLinux/ And i will try.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 11:04    Post subject:  

ledo wrote:
Where to downlooad MeanPup? I search

http://puppylinux.org/wiki/archives/old-wikka-wikki/categoryderivative/meanpuppy

But no download link.

Edit:

Ok i found these link. http://www.my-plan.org/storage/puppyLinux/ And i will try.

http://www.my-plan.org/storage/puppyLinux/puppy-2.02-opera.iso
I think that was the latest.
If I had time I would strip apart 3.01 retro for you. But work/family/other puppy stuff not much extra time.
well hope it works for you.
john has mentioned that he might remake a new version. hopefully Smile
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 12:03    Post subject:  

Quote:
Only ram is the problem i know. But the other problem is that laptop dont support much more evan if i would like to buy some old ram i can't.


ToshibaSupport

http://www.memorystock.com/memory/ToshibaSatellite310CDS.html

ebay is favourite,

[it's the same memory as for dell latitude cpi]

Aitch
Edited due to long link messing up page, sorry

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 14:15    Post subject:  

I see. I could upgrade to 160 Mb memory. That is good. Thanx for link.

Updates on puplet MaanPup.

On my new machine it didn't boot from live cd.

On old laptop it worked. And long story short:

Positive:
-automatic recognition of usb stick works- in version 4 it doesn't recognize it
-faster (i could be used almost normaly at these speeds i think)
-still some things that i could remove easyl with pet-be gone and make it evan faster (smaler)
-basically it has everything 4.0 have.
-instalation on ide-flash CF card works (wersion 4.0 i have trouble and didn't quite maki it work yet - installing)

Negative:
-altough instalation on CF works it doesn't boot. It starts and its fast but somwere in the midle it stops.

Something like Exiting and starting ramdisk... Then it stops.


So i found out version from year 2005 works better on my old laptop and basicaly has everything version 4.0 has for novice users.

I will try older officiall puppy linux distro (the one MeanPup was made from) and maybe CF on Ide adapter will work.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 15:11    Post subject:  

Its funny, using old distros on old machines is a topic that has recently come up on the Ubuntu Forums. I'm sympathetic to using old distros on old machines but many think you should use a modern distro. One of my favourite distros ever is Kanotix 2005-4.

Glad to hear of your good experience with MeanPup, keep us informed. I think it was based on Puppy 1.08.
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ledo

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 16:10    Post subject:  

Update:

I tested official release 3.01

Positive:
-I could do a install and boot on CF card on IDE adapter !!! Everything worked the first time !!!
-yust a bit faster i think than 4.0 (but much slover then MeanPUp)
-works on old and new PC (Meanpup only on old)

Negative:
-didn't recognize USB stick
-still a bit to slow but it's a full version not striped down one

So bottom line CF works! Boot time abaut 2 minutes. Opeing big programs like abiword 10-20 seconds. Bits od "lag" in everything.

Now i am downloading for test:
puppy-2.17.1-nolzma-seamonkey-fulldrivers.iso

Hope to get CF-ide to work and Usb-stick to detect. Well see.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 16:34    Post subject:  

I'm tempted to build you a none printer/abiword version based on 3.01 retro.
hmmmm
I have about 1 hr before work
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 16:38    Post subject:  

I have an almost identical machine with 96 MB of RAM and a 196 MHZ processor (it's a Panasonic CF-25 Toughbook) Creating a 500 MB swap partition made a world of difference. Yes, it's a little slow (by todays standards) but it's certainly usable.
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PostPosted: Mon 30 Jun 2008, 16:48    Post subject:  

what do you use for mail?
do you use www. or seamonkey built in mail?
I usually use www.gmail.com, I don't use any specific linux email programs.
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