Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

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[BarryK]

Yes, I welcome feedback about whether Sylpheed is "up to it". I may compile the full SeaMonkey suite for the next release of Puppy, if that's what users want.

[rcrsn51]

When Dingo 3.96 came out, I briefly tried Sylpheed. But I could not get the security settings (SSL, TLS, etc) to work with my ISP. So I went back to Thunderbird, which always runs perfectly.

[Henry]

[alienjeff]

First an admission/confession: I really wanted to hate Dingo. However, the default mousepad tap off "feature" wasn't enough to keep the fire of hatred going ...

I've done a Universal Installer method frugal install of Dingo V4.00 with the standard kernel and am very favorably impressed with this version. The test bed it my old Gateway Solo 5150 laptop -- 233 MHz MMX PII with 288M of RAM.

Regarding Gxine, I loaded up a 260M mpg video from both USB stick and CD, and not only did it play flawlessly, but also in full screen (CTL-F) mode.

Only real issues thus far in early testing are:

1) mousepad tap off by default (yeah, I'm not willing to let that one go...);
2) 3com 3CRWE62092A wifi card won't play;
3) memory footprint is rather large and system starts using swap very quickly - even with 288M of RAM;
4) can't seem to get sound to work; and
5) i810 video problems with the desktop box.

Congrats, Barry. The six-months of development and testing have made for a much more impressive and sturdy OS distro. I appreciate your efforts.

[Sage]

[FuturePerfect]

Barry:

Have I missed any recent references to a barebones Dingo?

Back in October in your developer blog, you talked about having an official barebones Dingo.

I think this might reduce the size of the Puppy folks need and be of great use to those non-technical people like me who are nervous about trying Unleashed to get a Puppy with less stuff.

Thanks for your consideration of a barebones Dingo now or in an upcoming Dingo release. Without SeaMonkey?

[cthisbear]

" First an admission/confession: I really wanted to hate Dingo "

alienjeff:
No need to be nice now.
Everyone will remonstrate with you for changing your act.
Next Michael Jackson will sing opera as opposed to singing
on Oprah.
Stay on the Darkside please.
And stick with my plan.
I don't discriminate...I hate everybody.
Cuts out the middleman and the hangers on.

Regards ....Chris.

[alienjeff]

@cthisbear

I'm not being nice. I'm being honest.

Never fear ... it's still early in the testing stage. There has to something that will get me all bent out of shape.

[alcy]

[Henry]

Sage, Barry, et al,

My comment above about putting in the whole Seamonkey was strictly predicated on Barry's historical determination to use Seamonkey. Otherwise it would certainly not be my recommendation.

Three best of breed programs that that I have used forever (almost literally) are Opera, Eudora, and WordPerfect. I still use them professionally daily. Eudora and WordPerfect are windows programs that will not work in Linux even with that makeshift Wine. (The Eudora Linux project is going nowhere.) Optimally initialised, Opera is the unbeatable browser. I use 9.27 in both windows and linux with the same profile.

Puppy is so attractive and elegant I also use and tinker with it daily and have for years. The "bare bones" approach is the one I would prefer, with a minimal utility browser to get started, then choosing the real browser and whatever. (This is not good for the masses, who do not know what to choose, so yes, we also need a typical "starter" version.)

For that we need a package manager that works (thoroughly) and provides useful descriptions of packages. Barry has made great advances here, but it's still a long way from working thoroughly.

By far my favorite is Nop 3.01, which approaches "bare bones" but includes the best browser, Opera, and the best file manager, Thunar. Thunar, unlike Rox, is easy and understandable by most. Xfce further includes a clipboard stacker and a trash bin that actually works. By contrast, Glipper is not even accessible from the Dingo 4 package manager.

I have gone to the trouble to run windows on Nop with Qemu, which is a workaround for WordPerfect, but the inelegance of mixing the two OSs is inevitable. Truth is, Linux just doesn't have all the right applications. (Except for many ordinary blokes, for whom Puppy is perfect.)

[8-bit]

I do not know if ohters are experencing this, but on a frugal install of Dingo to an ext2 partition, I get a message on booting that says
Filesystem check, Please filesystem check.
It appears on every boot. When I boot up puppy 3.01 or boot from the live cd of Dingo with pfix=ram, and do a check of the UNMOUNTED file system, It says the date is in the future and the partition was not cleanly unmounted.
I do the fix on the partition and it does not seem to stay because the next time I boot, I get the same message.
So is e2fsck broken or is the shutdown/ reboot script broken?
I do not get this with puppy 3.01 frugal.

[Sage]

Snap, Henry! My preferred three apps., too, and the main reason I keep an old W98 running. WP is a tale of tragedy, ruined by appalling interference from the sidelines by guess who and utter incompetent managements. Remember 5.1 - the de facto industry standard?!
Qualcomm's Eudora would also have gone down the tubes had it not been for their wider operations. In both cases there might have been additional scope for interest by the USDoJ?
As for Opera - despite it's pseudo proprietary nature, it is difficult to find a more open, honest, hardworking and cooperative nation than Norway. Fortunately, they did retain their commercial interest and are able to earn a crust from their extensive embedded solutions. They are a company one can easily make a exception for in the open SW debate?

[mouldy]

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